| darwin | alright, I got the list of what packages amdgpu-install was going to install for OpenCL/number-crunching... should I mention them here or put it on a pastebin? | 01:58 |
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| darwin | i'm not sure how to find equivalents | 01:58 |
| golinux | darwin: Try https://paste.debian.net/ | 02:04 |
| darwin | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/6a9b542b | 02:11 |
| darwin | that's what it says it'll install. I know some exist in Debian & Devuan, but others people suggested are replaced by mesa and maybe others | 02:12 |
| darwin | i installed Devuan 5rc4 but when I boot my 4k card & monitor instead display at 1080p... Slackware, and some Debian-based OSs, have no problem changing to a high 4K mode... how do I enable this? I use GRUB2 in Slackware to boot everything but it already detected Devuan and setup for 1080p I guess | 02:26 |
| sfox | I noticed when running apt update my release alias changed from stable to oldstable | 02:45 |
| sfox | a new version of Devuan has been released | 02:46 |
| sfox | Is it stable? | 02:46 |
| sfox | i mean yeah, it's stable but in your guy's opinions is it a good release? | 02:46 |
| sfox | last release audio broke a lot and there was a force to gtk3 | 02:46 |
| gnarface | darwin: if your window manager doesn't have a tool to set it you can add it to the xorg.conf (you don't need the whole thing anymore) | 02:52 |
| gnarface | sfox: it's been fine for me but i don't use pulseaudio | 02:53 |
| sfox | i made a mistake | 02:53 |
| sfox | i was using hinehq's debian repo for dxvk on chimaera | 02:54 |
| sfox | winehq's repo for debian become oldstable it doesn't appear devuan made a new release | 02:54 |
| grayrock | sfox: all i can say is i moved to devuan 5 after i recently put together a new computer, and i've actually had a lot less trouble with devuan 5 than i anticipated. oh, and pulseaudio seems to be working fine on my hardware. | 02:54 |
| sfox | what about pipewire? i'm having to build from git | 02:55 |
| crhylove | wine is such a shit show. I don't understand why they can't just make it work more user-friendly out of the box. Lutris seems to work well on Devuan. | 03:20 |
| crhylove | How is pipewire with Ardour? | 03:21 |
| darwin | gnarface, I'm not using X | 03:30 |
| darwin | but I think on reboot the mode fixed this time | 03:31 |
| ted-ious | sfox: So far it's ok in my tests but I'm just getting started. | 03:31 |
| ted-ious | But I haven't found any problems yet. | 03:31 |
| sfox | zfs-dkms doesn't seem to work for the new kernel update | 03:33 |
| sfox | it's saying that the version number lts-lts is invalid because it doesn't contain a digit | 03:34 |
| sfox | 5.10.0-23 | 03:34 |
| sfox | 5.10-0-21 still works though | 03:34 |
| darwin | the konsole & kate I installed on Devuan are old an incompatible with my configurations from Slackware64 15+current... is it possible to get newer KDE programs like is on KDE Neon (basically Kubuntu with newer KDE)? ... would anything go wrong if I used their repository just to get KDE stuff? | 03:35 |
| darwin | and | 03:35 |
| brocashelm | darwin: the quickest way would be to use ceres (unstable) | 03:37 |
| brocashelm | devuan does not recommend using debian, ubuntu, mint, etc. repositories on your system, but ceres itself is generally fair game because it is supported officially | 03:38 |
| darwin | i heard that after Devuan 5 is released stable the Devuan 6 (Ceres) will become very difficult to use | 03:38 |
| darwin | i might do it anyway... if anyone compared it to Slackware-current or FreeBSD-current, does it get more difficult than those? | 03:39 |
| brocashelm | devuan ceres is not a release; it is the unstable suite of devuan that will never get a release, just like debian sid | 03:39 |
| darwin | oh, I see | 03:39 |
| darwin | how difficult does it get though? | 03:39 |
| brocashelm | you're probably thinking of testing... note that excalibur repos are not yet available (IIRC), because daedalus hasn't been released yet (although it is technically *stable* because bookworm is its base) | 03:40 |
| brocashelm | darwin: you have to be comfortable with fixing things if you go the testing/unstable route | 03:40 |
| brocashelm | i recommend installing apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges to be on the safe side | 03:40 |
| darwin | i am willing to try. So Devuan 6 is Excalibut? | 03:41 |
| darwin | Excalibur? | 03:41 |
| brocashelm | ALWAYS review the bugs and changes before you confirm an upgrade, should you go that path | 03:41 |
| brocashelm | ya, devuan 6 is codenamed excalibur | 03:41 |
| darwin | how soon could I switch back to that from unstable/Ceres? | 03:41 |
| sfox | great now I can't boot my devuan system anymore after an update hosed it | 03:42 |
| brocashelm | for testing (excalibur)? it's generally 10-20 days of no updating | 03:42 |
| brocashelm | but personally, if newer packages are mandatory until the next stable release, i would rather just use ceres and wait until excalibur hits the freeze, which won't be for another two years | 03:42 |
| brocashelm | always back up before going that route | 03:43 |
| darwin | the thing is newer KDE probbaly won't ever be on a stable release unless some branch is made like KDE Neon | 03:43 |
| darwin | and Neon has a user/stable version though might get bugs newer than Kubuntu, but they get fixed quicker than it also | 03:44 |
| darwin | is there an easy way to switch to unstable or should I just get the installer for it? | 03:45 |
| brocashelm | there is no unstable installer AFAIK | 03:45 |
| brocashelm | you'd just have to modify your sources.list | 03:45 |
| brocashelm | change the codename (one line only) to ceres | 03:45 |
| brocashelm | then run apt update | 03:46 |
| brocashelm | also, i just checked and plasma-desktop on sid is still the same as bookworm (4:5.27.5-2) | 03:46 |
| sfox | can i have help please? | 03:47 |
| darwin | i don't use KDE itself, just konsole, dolphin, and kate | 03:47 |
| darwin | but I'd need the same versions that are on KDE Neon & Slackware64-current | 03:48 |
| brocashelm | still the same versions for those | 03:48 |
| ted-ious | darwin: Is there something in the newest kde that makes it important to update to? | 03:48 |
| darwin | i explained earlier | 03:48 |
| brocashelm | the only other option is to build them from source | 03:48 |
| ted-ious | I saw you were asking about opencl but I don't know if that has anything to do with kde. | 03:48 |
| darwin | no | 03:49 |
| darwin | the older KATE won't open my session from the newer | 03:49 |
| darwin | so the other stuff may have some incompatibilities in configuration also | 03:49 |
| ted-ious | Is kate a terminal emulator? | 03:49 |
| darwin | it's KDE Advanced Text Editor | 03:50 |
| brocashelm | konsole is | 03:50 |
| ted-ious | Oh ok. | 03:50 |
| ted-ious | Did you have lots of files open and now they are stuck in limbo? | 03:50 |
| sfox | ugh | 03:51 |
| darwin | yes | 03:51 |
| darwin | unless I switch back then won't have extra graphics-/number-crunching/OpenCL drivers | 03:52 |
| ted-ious | And kate uses that for editing files? | 03:53 |
| brocashelm | sfox: are you able to mount the partition from a live iso and chroot into it? | 03:53 |
| sfox | brocashelm, i'm booted into an older kernel which still has the module | 03:53 |
| brocashelm | what was the kernel that won't boot? | 03:54 |
| brocashelm | 6.1? | 03:54 |
| sfox | 5.10.0-23-amd64 | 03:54 |
| sfox | zfs-dkms doesn't build a module for it | 03:54 |
| brocashelm | which version of devuan were you using prior to the upgrade? | 03:55 |
| sfox | i'm using chimaera | 03:55 |
| sfox | still using chimaera | 03:55 |
| brocashelm | ok. were you trying to switch to daedalus, then? is the 6.1 kernel series which won't boot? | 03:56 |
| sfox | no, just doing updates | 03:57 |
| brocashelm | do you have logs of your update process? they should be stored in /var/log/apt | 03:57 |
| sfox | yes | 03:57 |
| darwin | of course KATE doesn't use that | 03:57 |
| sfox | brocashelm, http://dpaste.com/6LD72P37U | 03:58 |
| brocashelm | sfox: have you tried chrooting into your system and reinstalling the module for the affected kernel? | 04:00 |
| sfox | i'm in the system now | 04:00 |
| sfox | i've tried to apt reinstall zfs-dkms several times and it only installs the module for kernel patch level 21 | 04:00 |
| brocashelm | chroot from live is safer | 04:01 |
| sfox | not 23 | 04:01 |
| sfox | I don't have a livedisk that supports zfs and crypt | 04:01 |
| sfox | and sas drivers | 04:01 |
| brocashelm | are you trying to reinstall zfs-dkms from chimaera or chimaera-backports? | 04:02 |
| sfox | backports | 04:02 |
| brocashelm | i see | 04:02 |
| sfox | chimaera used an EOL version of ZoL | 04:02 |
| sfox | i had to upgrade it at some point in the past to the backport version | 04:02 |
| fsmithred | looks like you need the headers for -23 but only have -21 | 04:03 |
| ted-ious | sfox: So right now what you need is a live boot environment that has all those tools? | 04:03 |
| sfox | linux-image-5.10.0-23-amd64/stable-security,now 5.10.179-2 amd64 [installed,automatic] | 04:03 |
| sfox | I have the headers installed a lready | 04:03 |
| sfox | ted-ious, no, I'm able to boot into the system using an older kernel patch level 21 | 04:04 |
| fsmithred | ah, ok. | 04:04 |
| fsmithred | apt seems to think you don't have the right headers installed. | 04:05 |
| sfox | https://dpaste.com/6LD72P37U#line-1165 | 04:06 |
| sfox | this seems suspicious | 04:06 |
| fsmithred | near the bottom: "kernel headers for this kernel does not seem to be installed." | 04:06 |
| sfox | but they are installed... and reinstalled | 04:07 |
| sfox | apt installed them as a dependency itself | 04:07 |
| sfox | > linux-image-5.10.0-23-amd64/stable-security,now 5.10.179-2 amd64 [installed,automatic] | 04:07 |
| ted-ious | sfox: Well you said that you don't have a livedisk that supports zfs and crypt and sas drivers so here's one. | 04:07 |
| ted-ious | https://bouncer.gentoo.org/fetch/root/all/releases/amd64/autobuilds/20230711T174853Z/livegui-amd64-20230711T174853Z.iso | 04:07 |
| sfox | isn't this gentoo? | 04:07 |
| ted-ious | It's big but very up to date and has all sorts of tools. | 04:07 |
| sfox | thankyou | 04:08 |
| ted-ious | If you can't use that to access and chroot into your environment I don't know of anything else that can. :) | 04:08 |
| ted-ious | The only downside is that installing tools that aren't already in there takes up tons of ram. | 04:09 |
| sfox | I don't think I need that right now as i'm already booted into my environment using an older kernel zfs-dkms still builds a module for but i'll file it away incase i need a rescue disk,so thankyou | 04:09 |
| ted-ious | It's nice to be able to boot up a debian live iso and apt-get update install that one tool it's missing. | 04:09 |
| ted-ious | You're very welcome. | 04:10 |
| ted-ious | sfox: That image changes every few days but the latest is always linked right on the first page of www.gentoo.org at the end of the line that says Boot media. | 04:11 |
| sfox | I don't know how to troubleshoot apt thinking headers aren't installed that are from apt | 04:12 |
| ted-ious | Maybe apt-get purge them and reinstall? | 04:18 |
| darwin | i always wondered why Debian & Devuan don't use preset uid:gid for software like in /etc/group, so typically it's not compatible with any other computer of the same OS... makes it hard to preinstall things if you want a certain setup | 04:20 |
| darwin | Slackware does and 'genetic UNIX' probably does also | 04:20 |
| brocashelm | darwin: we could have that discussion in #devuan-offtopic | 04:23 |
| darwin | i'm having trouble making my sudo/wheel user supposedly 'be in the sudoers file'... I added it to whichever these groups are in /etc/group and added the typical no-password options to /etc/sudoers... after this it still says I'm not in the file. This is just for my desktop at home, not a server, so it's fine | 04:43 |
| darwin | also I chose USA Pacific time zone as my zone but Devuan set my time to UTC/GMT | 04:44 |
| darwin | my BIOS clock is NOT on UTC and isn't going to be | 04:44 |
| darwin | doesn't Devuan have ntpd? | 05:20 |
| darwin | i fixed the sudo thing and installed ntpd... | 05:54 |
| onefang | darwin: Did you relog after changing groups? | 05:54 |
| onefang | If your BIOS clock isn't UTC, you need to tell Linux what timezone that clock is in. | 05:55 |
| onefang | And yes, Devuan has ntpd. | 05:55 |
| darwin | i already said I entered the time zone when I setup, which is USA Pacific time, but Devuan changed it to UTC/GMT | 05:55 |
| darwin | it's fixed now with NTPD anyway | 05:56 |
| darwin | is there a way I can mount my NetBSD, FreeBSD, and DragonFlyBSD UNIX partitions? | 05:57 |
| darwin | FFS/UFS | 05:57 |
| darwin | except DragonFlyBSD made some changes to that filesystem and I couldn't mount it under other GNU/Linux | 05:57 |
| darwin | blank and nonexistent passwords should be allowed | 06:38 |
| darwin | also how do I install the old ThunderBird that had MoveMail, and prevent it being upgraded until they return that? | 06:42 |
| darwin | hexchat small text in servers/channels sidebar/column doesn't seem to work on Devuan | 07:44 |
| grayrock | works fine here. | 07:45 |
| darwin | maybe the font changed so it's not as small | 07:47 |
| darwin | in the same /home/user/.config/hexchat on Slackware, the font was smaller and a lot more servers/channels fit | 07:47 |
| onefang | In my hexchat I'm using DejaVu Sans Mono 6, works fine. | 07:48 |
| darwin | i use monospace | 07:48 |
| onefang | Font is the very first thing in Settings -> Preferences. | 07:49 |
| darwin | i don't see it there | 07:52 |
| darwin | in hexchat yes, but not XFCE settings | 07:52 |
| leafwiz | Hey, I have an app named BookStack, this comes in either docker or I can install it from a script on ubuntu. What is the best way for me to go forward? I have tried with a kvm and ubuntu image, but I need to set the root password in the image and virt-customize failes with an error. | 15:30 |
| leafwiz | So I'm not sure if I should try debug virt-customize, or try to install docker on my devuan testing install | 15:30 |
| leafwiz | This is the output from virt-customize: https://dpaste.com/E3XZASNQR | 15:37 |
| vortex_ | leafwiz: maybe cutomise a Dockerfile with a base Devuan image using `docker pull devuan/devuan` | 15:50 |
| leafwiz | Jupp, I switched to docker. I got it up and running now. | 15:51 |
| spine-o-saurus | hey, how come cmake is reporting bullet isn't found? This is the cmake file https://dpaste.org/QE7t2 | 18:14 |
| spine-o-saurus | i just checked and made sure the libbullet-dev is installed too | 18:14 |
| gnarface | can't be sure, you might have to talk to a cmake expert, but i do recall at some point having to create an empty file somewhere in the cmake install so that it would not decree something present as missing | 18:16 |
| aitor | darwin: *is there a way I can mount my NetBSD, FreeBSD, and DragonFlyBSD UNIX partitions?* | 19:52 |
| aitor | if you want read-write permissions, then you'll need to build your own kernel enabling CONFIG_UFS_FS_WRITE=y | 19:53 |
| aitor | I did it once some time ago | 19:53 |
| aitor | In the stock kernel of debian the ufs kernel module is available as a loadable module CONFIG_UFS_FS=m, and you need to load it with modprobe | 19:55 |
| aitor | and CONFIG_UFS_FS_WRITE=y will allow you writting on the ufs filesystem | 19:56 |
| aitor | you can mount the filesystem by the following way: | 19:56 |
| aitor | # mount -t ufs -o ufstype=ufs2 $PARTITION $MOUNTPOINT | 19:57 |
| aitor | if you have a look at your /boot/config-... file, you will find a line like this: | 19:59 |
| aitor | # CONFIG_UFS_FS_WRITE is not set | 19:59 |
| gnarface | /boot/config-`uname -r` | 20:00 |
| aitor | gnarface: yes :) | 20:01 |
| nemo | huh... stable is still on chimaera? I thought release was basically done a few eeks ago | 21:42 |
| gnarface | nemo: daedalus is still not officially released because the installers aren't done yet | 21:43 |
| gnarface | but you can help that process by testing them | 21:43 |
| gnarface | anecdotal feedback across the board is that the distro itself is ready though, yes | 21:44 |
| gnarface | using it myself here right now. least problematic upgrade since well before systemd existed | 21:44 |
| gnarface | i think the last time a upgrade was this clean for me it might have been debian sarge | 21:45 |
| spine-o-saurus | nice | 21:45 |
| gnarface | it was so easy it was suspicious in fact. i'm still worried something is going to explode unexpectedly | 21:49 |
| nemo | gnarface: yeah, regrettably I have no new systems to install | 21:56 |
| nemo | so I'd have to just do it in a VM just for fun | 21:56 |
| nemo | which is maybe not the best test anyway | 21:56 |
| nemo | gnarface: I've switched a few systems to it without issue, just, was surprised it wasn't announced yet. | 21:58 |
| gnarface | nemo: yea, apparently the isos need help still | 22:00 |
| grayrock | i bet a lot more people would test it if there was a total abort option right before writing grub to disk. everything else you can just throw onto a spare partition, but grub modifies your whole system boot. | 22:02 |
| spine-o-saurus | which file has the global settings for the make program | 22:25 |
| gnarface | i wasn't aware there was one | 22:26 |
| gnarface | you thinking of the automake package? | 22:26 |
| gnarface | that's more about "./configure" than make though | 22:26 |
| spine-o-saurus | no, the system wide config option for when i run make | 22:27 |
| gnarface | like i said, i wasn't aware of any. can you be more specific about what you're trying to change? | 22:28 |
| spine-o-saurus | change default make options | 22:29 |
| gnarface | afaik it's usually pulling from cached values in the source root set by the run of ./configure in the same source directory, which is part of automake | 22:30 |
| gnarface | usually the configure script is provided, but occasionally you actually have to generate it with something else from automake... autogen.sh maybe? something like that | 22:31 |
| gnarface | but make doesn't require the automake tools at all | 22:31 |
| gnarface | it can be used without anything, in theory | 22:31 |
| gnarface | though that's pretty rare these days | 22:31 |
| gnarface | i can't imagine what other defaults you might be referring to except maybe just shell environment variables | 22:32 |
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