| golinux | In life most all the misery we experience is self-inflicted | 00:04 |
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| crhylove | Hey y'all! I got a new RTX laptop that won't boot with daedalus... | 00:05 |
| crhylove | What's the quick and dirty fix? Looks like it's crashing on the nouveau handoff. | 00:06 |
| crhylove | Side note: I hate nouveau and will probably install real drivers ASAP, but can't get it to boot yet.... | 00:06 |
| crhylove | Should I try nouveau.blacklist=1 on the grub boot? | 00:09 |
| gnarface | crhylove: there's no expectation that nouveau will actually work on all nvidia cards | 00:12 |
| gnarface | you'll probably need the real drivers | 00:12 |
| crhylove | Yes, I'll be installing them ASAP if I can get this to boot at all. | 00:12 |
| crhylove | Also getting the group sgx unknown halt... | 00:13 |
| crhylove | Hmmm | 00:13 |
| gnarface | try setting this in your /etc/default/grub file: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="nomodeset" | 00:13 |
| crhylove | THAT'S the one. Thanks... | 00:14 |
| gnarface | and remove "quiet" from that file too | 00:14 |
| crhylove | Where do I put GRUB_CMDLINE at? Top of the file, or...? | 00:19 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure the order matters, but on mine it was already present in the comments and i just edited it | 00:20 |
| gnarface | do you seriously not have a commented version of that file in place already? | 00:21 |
| crhylove | Still hanging at nouveau enabling device.... | 00:22 |
| gnarface | you took out "quiet" ? | 00:22 |
| crhylove | Yeah. | 00:22 |
| gnarface | you could try setting GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480 | 00:22 |
| gnarface | or something like that | 00:23 |
| crhylove | Tried it at the top of the grub file and the bottom of it. | 00:23 |
| gnarface | or pass "vga=ask" on the command-line | 00:23 |
| gnarface | but i can't be sure there's anything that can be done for it | 00:23 |
| crhylove | I'll try the GFXMODE one... | 00:23 |
| gnarface | did you run "update-grub" afterwards? you might have to, i forget... | 00:23 |
| gnarface | oh, yea my comments say you do | 00:24 |
| crhylove | I can't even get to a console to do that. | 00:26 |
| crhylove | Same hang at nouveau enabling device. | 00:26 |
| crhylove | Maybe I need to install NVIDIA drivers during install? | 00:26 |
| gnarface | wait how are you getting to a console to edit the /etc/default/grub file if you can't run update-grub? | 00:27 |
| crhylove | I'm pressing e in the advanced area of grub. | 00:27 |
| gnarface | that's not the same thing, and wouldn't require running update-grub | 00:27 |
| gnarface | also it wouldn't persist through multiple boots | 00:28 |
| crhylove | No, I know, I've been typing the commands in manually every time. | 00:28 |
| gnarface | you'll just have to boot something else and chroot in to fix this | 00:28 |
| crhylove | But none of them have gotten me to boot yet. | 00:28 |
| gnarface | the installer image you used should work | 00:28 |
| crhylove | Ah, from the USB key then? | 00:28 |
| crhylove | roger... BRB | 00:28 |
| gnarface | yes | 00:28 |
| gnarface | usually you can at least get a text console with nouveau, but if you installed a graphical login that might be sabotaging you | 00:30 |
| gnarface | and i haven't used it in quite a while, so i don't know off the top of my head if there's extra issues with this new card or not, but it has a very bad track record with new devices | 00:31 |
| ted-ious | gnarface: Yes I generated all the locales to see how much space they would use. | 00:35 |
| gnarface | i think the grub package you were looking for was grub-pc | 00:36 |
| crhylove | Hmmm Trying to figure it out. Booted to the USB key, searching for the existing root directory. | 00:36 |
| crhylove | Now clients are calling me. Must be Monday. | 00:37 |
| gnarface | crhylove: just alt+f4 over to the empty console and mount it from there | 00:37 |
| gnarface | i think it's F4 | 00:38 |
| gnarface | you'll need to also bind-mount a couple things | 00:38 |
| gnarface | /sys, /proc, and /dev, at least | 00:38 |
| gnarface | let me know if you need help | 00:39 |
| gnarface | "rescue mode" from the main menu might also have worked | 00:40 |
| crhylove | Yeah, rescue mode is the one I am in.... | 00:46 |
| gnarface | doesn't rescue mode just dump you into the rootfs in single user mode? | 00:50 |
| gnarface | or does it put you in an initrd shell or something? | 00:50 |
| crhylove | No... LOL, I don't know where it dumped me... I'll try a different option | 00:50 |
| crhylove | rebooting now. | 00:51 |
| gnarface | from the regular install process you should be able to get a terminal on one of the extra virtual consoles | 00:52 |
| gnarface | then you can mount the rootfs from there | 00:52 |
| crhylove | ok, I'm into the root console. Am I editing grub.cfg? And what should I try first, the nomodeset one? | 01:08 |
| crhylove | Took me a second to figure out which partition I needed to mount... | 01:08 |
| gnarface | no, edit /etc/default/grub | 01:08 |
| gnarface | then run update-grub | 01:09 |
| gnarface | but you need to also need to make sure you bind mounted /sys, /proc, /dev and in some cases /dev/pts into the chroot first before you actaully chroot in | 01:09 |
| gnarface | or update-grub won't find the right disk to update | 01:09 |
| gnarface | (actually i think most stuff doesn't need /dev/pts for this but i can't remember all the things that did, so i usually recommend mounting it too for good measure) | 01:10 |
| gnarface | editing grub.cfg directly might actually work but it's a generated file and your changes will be overwritten without warning | 01:13 |
| crhylove | I'm in! | 01:17 |
| crhylove | Now to manually install the nvidia drivers.... *fingers crossed* | 01:17 |
| gnarface | wait, so you manage to get it to boot to a text console, or you mean you're just chrooted in still? | 01:17 |
| gnarface | well, either way make sure you're using the nvidia drivers from the repo and not from nvidia.com | 01:18 |
| gnarface | and note that they've been moved from "non-free" to a new section called "non-free-firmware" as of daedalus | 01:18 |
| crhylove | Ah... so don't install the NVIDIA ones from their website? | 01:23 |
| gnarface | definitely not | 01:23 |
| gnarface | it's one of those things that will probably work when you do it but it will break stuff later down the road because their shell script isn't dependency-aware | 01:24 |
| gnarface | it just sprays unpackaged files all over the placea | 01:24 |
| gnarface | *place | 01:25 |
| gnarface | so it's basically fine until the next time you try to upgrade the distro and everything blows up and you don't know why | 01:25 |
| crhylove | I'm in synaptic and I can't find nvidia-drivers | 01:28 |
| crhylove | Should I install bumblebee, or...? | 01:28 |
| gnarface | no | 01:28 |
| gnarface | you need to fix your /etc/apt/sources.list file first probably | 01:28 |
| crhylove | it had nonfree-firmware already in it. | 01:29 |
| gnarface | or maybe synaptic has a checkbox for "non-free-firmware" somewhere, not sure, i don't use it | 01:29 |
| gnarface | get a console open and run "apt-cache search ^nvidia" | 01:29 |
| crhylove | nvidia gsp firmware? | 01:30 |
| gnarface | probably not | 01:30 |
| gnarface | there should be like 25 packages with nvidia in front of their names though | 01:30 |
| gnarface | you don't see those? | 01:31 |
| crhylove | nope. gsp, bumblebee, vaapi, some C libraries. | 01:31 |
| crhylove | No drivers. | 01:31 |
| gnarface | alright, we have to sanity check your sources.list | 01:32 |
| gnarface | actually, no we don't | 01:32 |
| gnarface | i'll just give you something to change it to, stand by | 01:32 |
| gnarface | crhylove: here, change it to this https://paste.debian.net/1288215/ | 01:33 |
| gnarface | then run "apt-get update && apt-cache search ^nvidia" | 01:34 |
| crhylove | Cool! Installing nvidia-driver and all dependencies. | 01:40 |
| crhylove | Will reboot and report back shortly. :D | 01:40 |
| gnarface | good luck | 01:41 |
| gnarface | crhylove: oh, wait | 01:42 |
| gnarface | you probably want to remove GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="nomodeset" from your /etc/default/grub file and replace it with GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX="keep" now | 01:42 |
| crhylove | Good call. | 01:43 |
| crhylove | Will rem that one out just in case. | 01:43 |
| gnarface | don't forget "update-grub" | 01:43 |
| debdog | gnarface: do I need the deb-src repos if I intend to install the nvidia driver from there? | 01:47 |
| gnarface | debdog: not sure actually, but you do need the linux-headers package for your kernel along with dkms and some other build deps so it's probably a good idea to keep them just in case | 01:48 |
| debdog | as mentioned in https://paste.debian.net/1288215/ | 01:48 |
| debdog | ok | 01:48 |
| gnarface | i think they're just for source packages so you could try without them | 01:49 |
| debdog | as soon as I update to daedalus I will bother you with more nvidia-packages questions | 01:49 |
| gnarface | no problem | 01:49 |
| crhylove | update-grub command not found. WTF? | 01:50 |
| gnarface | oh, it's in /usr/sbin/ and in their infinite wisdom the assholes at debian removed /usr/sbin from root's default path | 01:51 |
| gnarface | you can put it back. find the ENV_SUPATH variable in /etc/login.defs | 01:52 |
| gnarface | (just more casual vandalism from upstream developers working on it under duress while trying to get jobs at Microsoft) | 01:53 |
| crhylove | ugh.... I hate that so much | 01:55 |
| gnarface | at least it's just a one line config change instead of a patch and rebuild this time | 01:55 |
| gnarface | here's the old default, for reference: ENV_SUPATH PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin | 01:56 |
| gnarface | you'll have to relog for the change to take effect | 01:56 |
| crhylove | Huh... so now I'm getting stuck during boot on IPV6 : ADDRCONF, which I have IPV6 disabled on my network. | 02:00 |
| gnarface | hmm, that's a new one | 02:00 |
| gnarface | are you using dhcp? | 02:01 |
| crhylove | Yeah | 02:01 |
| gnarface | is it possible ipv6 is not disabled in dhcp? | 02:01 |
| crhylove | Huh, and recovery crashes at the same spot. *sigh* | 02:01 |
| crhylove | At least I know which partition to mount from the USB key now. LOL | 02:01 |
| gnarface | i would try a static ip | 02:02 |
| crhylove | Could be. | 02:02 |
| crhylove | Yeah, I can do that. | 02:02 |
| crhylove | I can actually set that static in the router.... | 02:02 |
| gnarface | you mean in dhcp still? well, an interesting test, worth a try | 02:02 |
| gnarface | i meant to actually just hardcode a ip address in /etc/network/interfaces just to see if that dodges the issue but changing it in dhcp should work too if the hypothesis is corred | 02:03 |
| gnarface | *correct | 02:03 |
| gnarface | for that matter it should be possible to just tell the dhcp server not to use ipv6 at all, but if it's some built-in feature of a plastic toy router i couldn't be sure | 02:07 |
| rhy_ | Huh... So I enabled IPV6 on my network, rebooted the router, and still hanging at the same spot. Must not be ipv6 related. | 02:10 |
| gnarface | hmm, is it possible you're missing ethernet firmware or something? | 02:11 |
| gnarface | some network devices also require a non-free-firmware package | 02:11 |
| gnarface | this is especially true for wifi devices | 02:11 |
| gnarface | rhy_: is it a wireless device? | 02:12 |
| rhy_ | Yeah, but I don't think that's the issue. | 02:17 |
| rhy_ | It's grabbing an IP right away. | 02:17 |
| rhy_ | I think something else is crashing during start up. | 02:17 |
| rhy_ | Need to go look in /var/log maybe.... | 02:17 |
| rhy_ | I'm going back to nomodeset to see if it will boot. | 02:19 |
| rhy_ | Then look at the logs. | 02:19 |
| rhy_ | Looks like it's crashing at nvidia persistence daemon. | 02:32 |
| gnarface | hah | 02:33 |
| gnarface | nvidia-persistenced strikes again! | 02:34 |
| gnarface | rhy_: just uninstall that cursed piece of trash, it never works and you don't need it | 02:34 |
| gnarface | if you "apt-get purge nvidia-persistenced" it should get removed alone, and nothing else should get pulled with it, but pay attention to make sure that's the case | 02:35 |
| gnarface | (this has been coming up a lot lately but it's not a new issue) | 02:35 |
| rhy_ | Yeah, I removed it, still won't boot. :/ | 02:39 |
| rhy_ | I didn't purge though..... | 02:39 |
| gnarface | hmm, shouldn't matter that much i wouldn't think... | 02:40 |
| gnarface | any new error? | 02:40 |
| gnarface | and is it the boot that's crashing or just the graphical startup? | 02:41 |
| gnarface | if it's just the graphical startup that's actually crashing make sure you're in the "video" group | 02:41 |
| gnarface | if you've installed a graphical login the distinction between it starting and the kernel itself booting may not be super clear | 02:42 |
| gnarface | if it's the graphical environment crashing, the relevant errors would be in /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 02:46 |
| gnarface | rhy_: ^ | 02:58 |
| gnarface | brb | 04:17 |
| onefang | Did anything I need to know about happen here in the last couple of days? | 06:50 |
| GoatAvenger | onefang, not that I'm aware of.. | 07:26 |
| onefang | Cool, and thanks. | 07:26 |
| gnarface | onefang: nothing as far as i know | 07:58 |
| onefang | Thanks as always gnarface. | 08:30 |
| ted-ious | I found more debian decay that has crept into devuan. | 11:20 |
| ted-ious | touch /forcefsck no longer works. | 11:20 |
| ted-ious | Neither does fsck.mode=force in /etc/default/grub grub_cmdline_linux_default which is supposed to be the new systemd way. | 11:21 |
| ted-ious | I haven't found a way to get around it yet. | 11:22 |
| ted-ious | Single user doesn't work properly either. | 11:26 |
| ted-ious | For some reason it runs dhcpcd which requires / to be mounted rw so you can't remount it ro. | 11:28 |
| rrq | I guess dhcpcd would be because networking is started (?) | 11:46 |
| rrq | fsck seems to need a fsck.repair=yes setting as well to be automated | 11:47 |
| ted-ious | So both in the grub_cmdline_linux_default? | 12:00 |
| ted-ious | Why disable the sane behavior in the system and require a kernel argument to enable it back again? | 12:01 |
| ted-ious | Debian makes less sense to me every year. | 12:01 |
| rrq | it should be possible to add them manually once-off to the boot command line.. otherwise adding to that setting and upgrade-grub | 12:04 |
| ted-ious | Right. | 12:04 |
| rrq | eh update-grub I guess | 12:04 |
| ted-ious | Let's make something less useful by default so you can feel accomplished when you make it more useful later. | 12:05 |
| rrq | "why make it difficult when's it's so easy to make it impossible" | 12:05 |
| ted-ious | Good point. | 12:06 |
| ted-ious | I should be quiet or they might get even worse ideas. | 12:06 |
| rrq | yeah there's the -offtopic channel as well; keeping this for support | 12:11 |
| Necrodiver | fsmithred I have a question about keyboard settings. That Dell latitude 5490 you helped me with the installation on, for some reason the keyboard layout isnt properly recognized, and since I use Japanese as well, I need to have the keyboard set properly or else many of the keys wont work properly. Do you happen to know what keyboard/keyboard type i should use for that specific computer? | 12:24 |
| fsmithred | Necrodiver, I don't know what keyboard settings you should use. There's a section in debian wiki for installing on dell: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell | 15:34 |
| Necrodiver | fsmithred thanks, ill look into it | 17:05 |
| micdud | anyone know how to debug with an nfsv4 server ( freebsd client unable to mount ) | 17:42 |
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