| micdud | congrats and thanx for pushing out daedalus (doing my first test installs) | 05:48 |
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| micdud | but ran in to a small grub uefi problem as it pertains to cloning a gpt patition with a base install, then changing guid of patition , chrooting in to cloned system then updating grub and fstab and installing a new ufi entry. | 05:50 |
| micdud | new uefi entry boots in to ond system even if all uids checkout in /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/grub.cgf and /bot/efi/EFI/new-system/grub.cfg | 05:51 |
| micdud | uuids | 05:51 |
| micdud | ive done this procedure many times in chimara and beowulf with bios boot | 05:53 |
| rrq | does the EFI partition contain an old grub.cfg? | 05:55 |
| micdud | new systems directory does not old systems directory yes | 05:56 |
| micdud | bios bug ? should i delete both efy entry and efi dir for old system to test ? | 05:56 |
| rrq | I believe EFI will choose boot option from its boot order list | 05:57 |
| rrq | you can fiddle with that using "efibootmgr" | 05:57 |
| micdud | i am picking the new entry during efi-bios boot options | 05:57 |
| rrq | well, what you pick seems to translate to the old option | 05:58 |
| micdud | so rearange order in efibootmgr , but that that seems like a bug somwhere if after that procedure the old system wont boot trough efi entry ? will need to be booted trough grubs os-prober only | 06:00 |
| rrq | maybe that "boot.efi" has hardcoded wrong path? .. grub has gone through a number of "improvements" trying to make it "smart" | 06:00 |
| rrq | I don't know much about grub though | 06:00 |
| micdud | i used to have to move grubx64.efi to bootx64.efi with chimaera i remeber when i had no boot situations | 06:01 |
| sakrecoer | something i was supposed to follow up on after the call. i'm not sure what that was. we wrote the announcement text together and opened an issue. i did however close that issue once it was resolved. | 11:02 |
| sakrecoer | wrong chat sorry :D | 11:03 |
| onefang | https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/21/devuan_5_systemdfree_debian/ is not very flattering. | 12:17 |
| Joril | I have to say that I've never used the Refracta installer (always netinstall) maybe it received less testing? | 15:03 |
| Xenguy | onefang, I have to say, that is a real asshole review from the Register | 15:59 |
| Xenguy | Fuck them, I bite their hand = ) | 16:00 |
| Xenguy | I might just write the author: https://www.theregister.com/Author/Email/Liam-Proven | 16:04 |
| debdog | maybe it's better for the devuan project in the long run. at least this review won't attract eye-candy wanting audience. from experience I know a bunch of these whiny users can have a terrible impact on projects. | 16:09 |
| debdog | better off with a tiny group of deep users than a whole bunch of morons. | 16:09 |
| Xenguy | I can't argue with quality over quantity | 16:10 |
| Xenguy | But salty reviews like that make me wonder how Black Sabbath must have felt when they created a great album and then were roasted by the music critics, only to have their fans go crazy about how good it is | 16:11 |
| Xenguy | I suppose anyone who tries to do good work needs to toughen up when faced with critical reviews | 16:12 |
| debdog | on that note: LET'S ROCK, DEVUAN! \o/ | 16:14 |
| Xenguy | \m/ | 16:14 |
| debdog | right, hehe | 16:14 |
| Xenguy | Play me some chess fluffywolf = ) | 16:15 |
| Xenguy | Sorry, veering OT, will take it there now | 16:16 |
| Kitty | woo! | 16:19 |
| Kitty | guess I'm spending this week upgrading 50+ machines | 16:20 |
| Xenguy | Wow, do you use something like puppet, or go 1-by-1 | 16:22 |
| Xenguy | ? | 16:22 |
| ___used | fyi you're in the news https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/21/devuan_5_systemdfree_debian/ | 17:24 |
| Xenguy | ___used, Seen it already, can't stand it | 17:39 |
| Xenguy | Lousy review, lousy reviewer | 17:40 |
| ted-ious | That review was a deliberate hit piece. | 18:00 |
| rwp | That reviewer definitely had "an axe to grind" for sure. Wow. | 18:41 |
| golinux | It proves that we are a threat to the status quo. It is a badge of honor! | 18:49 |
| golinux | That being said . . . some of the criticisms are due to not enough hands on deck to fix or test things. So the community needs to look in the mirror and get off their collective asses. | 18:51 |
| golinux | And start participating!! | 18:51 |
| APic | lol | 18:52 |
| Xenguy | Agreed, if we want to continue to eat our own dogfood, we need to get some more hands on deck | 19:02 |
| Xenguy | This is the resistance calling 8 -D | 19:02 |
| ted-ious | I want to know more about this ventoy software. | 19:05 |
| ted-ious | Considering it claims to be foss it sure does use alot of binary downloads to build it. | 19:05 |
| Xenguy | Is this some kind of improvement on 'dd' | 19:07 |
| Xenguy | ? | 19:07 |
| ted-ious | It's supposed to let you put a bunch of iso images on one usb drive so you don't have to keep dd'ing the latest one you want to try. | 19:07 |
| Xenguy | Sounds like an incremental type of improvement, cool | 19:08 |
| ted-ious | So instead of just booting the daedalus iso in virtualbox it looks like he wanted to use his favorite distro toy on a physical machine. | 19:08 |
| ted-ious | I guess it's devuan's fault that a release that's 3 days old isn't supported on his favorite hack yet. | 19:09 |
| Xenguy | Hah | 19:09 |
| Xenguy | Well he's entitled to his opinion of course, but I didn't find it very gracious | 19:10 |
| Xenguy | There's a lot of blood, sweat and tears that goes into these releases, and then to have some cranky review like that, well it's a bit maddening | 19:11 |
| Xenguy | I try not to take it too seriously | 19:11 |
| ted-ious | I think it's on purpose. | 19:16 |
| Xenguy | How do you mean? | 19:16 |
| Xenguy | ted-ious, Let's take it to #devuan-offtopic, if | 19:20 |
| golinux | Anybody here use noscript? | 21:03 |
| ManinTheSandbox | PRETTY_NAME="Devuan GNU/Linux 5 (daedalus)" | 21:15 |
| ManinTheSandbox | NAME="Devuan GNU/Linux" | 21:15 |
| ManinTheSandbox | VERSION_ID="5" | 21:15 |
| ManinTheSandbox | VERSION="5 (daedalus)" | 21:15 |
| ManinTheSandbox | VERSION_CODENAME="daedalus" | 21:15 |
| ManinTheSandbox | ID=devuan | 21:15 |
| ManinTheSandbox | O.o | 21:15 |
| djph | golinux: Yep, why? | 21:47 |
| golinux | Does anything pop up when you go to devuan.org? | 21:51 |
| golinux | djph: ^^^ | 21:51 |
| golinux | Someone emailed us to complain: | 21:52 |
| golinux | "Noscript finds javascript to block and unless I unblock it the icons on the navigation bar are not displayed correctly" | 21:53 |
| golinux | No javascript is being detected by uBlock Origin. | 21:53 |
| golinux | And the icons work just fine for me. They are all styled with css afaik | 21:55 |
| fluffywolf | I see no javascript. | 22:07 |
| fluffywolf | icons on nav bar work with it off, too. | 22:07 |
| golinux | Thanks fluffywolf! | 22:07 |
| fluffywolf | does someone have css and javascript confused? heh | 22:09 |
| fluffywolf | bbl, back to work | 22:09 |
| fluffywolf | " <meta property="og:description" content="Free GNU+Linux base OS. Devuan is a fork of Debian without systemd. Devuan Bewoulf provides a safe upgrade path from Debian, to ensure the right to Init Freedom and avoid entanglement.">" maybe update that to something newer than beowulf? | 22:12 |
| fluffywolf | same with the twitter one | 22:12 |
| golinux | Good catch! | 22:13 |
| fluffywolf | (or maybe change the twitter one to tell musk to go fuck himself...) | 22:13 |
| golinux | Hahaha! | 22:13 |
| fluffywolf | keywords should also be updated by two releases | 22:15 |
| fluffywolf | bbl | 22:15 |
| golinux | fluffywolf: Xenguy is working on it | 22:23 |
| djph | golinux: yes, but "devuan.org" is trusted | 22:26 |
| djph | If I de-trust it, the icons next to the headings die (Install/Packages/etc) | 22:26 |
| psionic | Why did the ntp get renamed to ntpsec ? | 22:55 |
| psionic | who thought this was a good idea to move the ntp.conf ... :/ | 22:55 |
| rwp | Better to use words like Stable instead of Beowulf ahem Daedalus to avoid needing to update those each and every time. | 22:56 |
| rwp | And in that context there is no need for a release suite name. It reads perfectly "cromulent" with just the Devuan label. | 22:56 |
| rwp | psionic, Debian switched from ntp to ntpsec in this release. It's actually a different package. | 22:56 |
| golinux | And it can also bork your system . . . badly . . . | 22:57 |
| rwp | Initially I had all kinds of trouble in the Ceres Unstable transition due to problems with the ntpsec packaging. I reverted to ntp. | 22:57 |
| golinux | to use the suite names instead of the release names | 22:57 |
| rwp | But a friend just recently told me that the upgrade went okay and they did not have the problems I had. Which means I need to verify the migration from ntp to ntpsec again with the latest packaging. | 22:57 |
| onefang | The problem is whon Debian changes stable, but Devuan hasn't yet changed stabel. Then your next opt update gets confused, you get bits from both releases. | 22:58 |
| onefang | And my problem is typomania coz I just woke up and haven't had a chance to eat brekky yet. lol | 22:58 |
| rwp | golinux, I was referring to fluffywolf's reporting of "... <meta property=... Devuan Bewoulf provides a safe upgrade path from Debian..." where the suite name is superfluous. | 22:59 |
| golinux | The meta data was styled for the beowulf release. But yes, it could be just a generic statement. | 23:00 |
| rwp | And I was ignoring the misspelling of it. | 23:00 |
| golinux | That too! | 23:00 |
| rwp | Honestly through most of my career I learn spelling by project names. You called me on it not being deadulus! Ha! :-) | 23:01 |
| psionic | so how is ntpsec better now tha ntp :S | 23:08 |
| rwp | Personally I don't think it is significantly better but the theory goes that ntpsec is more secure with Network Time Security (NTS) which provides cryptographically authenticated time. | 23:14 |
| rwp | I worry that ntpsec is a fork of the ntp project because they wanted cryptographically authenticated time above the practical needs for stability. | 23:17 |
| ted-ious | psionic: ntpsec is the new project that replaced the old unmaintained ntpd. | 23:31 |
| ted-ious | rwp: It's not a fork like most forks are where some people get tired of working with other people and start making different patches. | 23:31 |
| ted-ious | The old version was unmaintained and had such huge problems that it broke the internet several times. | 23:32 |
| ted-ious | rwp: There's a lot of history on the website and lots of mailing list discussions if you want to know how it happened. | 23:37 |
| Xenguy | Thanks fluffywolf , working on fixing that | 23:52 |
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