| suagz | hey man i saw twitter was dying and theres a new website @ https://supernets.social | 04:27 |
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| suagz | suagz ar3itrary fluffywolf AzumaHazuki u-amarsh04 DarkUranium qqq powderedhorn Xenguy fatal _ds_ armouredheartG6 micdud tillo blizzow jpenny ZMR onefang fling xrogaan DashiePie joerg al1r4d6695 guckyy OlegShtch CAT_S pmp-p [NoClan]GoAway systemdlete DelTomix targz nyov debdog hightower3 appyfizz Wonka brrm triffid prg _jay_ LucentW Jens3 plasma41 TorC bb|hcb Walex sfox ted-ious e54 anjan | 04:27 |
| suagz | MonsoonSecrecy hook54321 jakesyl_____ DFP dtman34 pablocastellanos xes openfbtd berndj Jjp137 xktr _spOOn_ dos henrix bleb gce108_ GoatAvenger CEP ksx4system eki adanwan golinux Juest brocashelm jonadab Hydragyrum buZz squeaktoy ymasson GNUmoon nemo xnovax- se73n early qwestion AEonFyr unixman_home maledictium1 freemangordon jjakob lyubov cols bradd ChanServ pablomobile danielinux PocketRat | 04:27 |
| suagz | justache rrq bdju nckx av6 s1b1 FatPhil rwp igraltist oz4ga emilyd helios21 VeinGlory lumidify deesix psionic u4t_ jr-logbot sixwheeledbeast rottatorg bnjf user24037 Stealth splinterbyte luna-is-here mirda jelly gordonDrogon abk LFSveteran fatalerrors kopiyka MetaYan AndyGB phogg tsadok cp-- APic jathan Atari-Frosch A_Dragon Sompi unixman krzych DrHyde Unit193 bylzz Chain-Q pitriss rbmarliere | 04:27 |
| suagz | jedelava Dantali0n rkta FlibberTGibbet Kitty global_elites_ brian- hagbard Sario Fieldy tomaw Death_Syn hanx GuntherDW tk jason123onirc Hestben xMopx Phylos jaromil bigpresh snorkcamp antranigv m4rley Oksanaa finsternis peterrooney Taters_ pardis clemens3 mathew haxar fred Ryushin Helenah mz` pinnen adam_free2air DPA djph al1r4d cosurgi gnarface hemimaniac petris sakrecoer unclouded jtgrassie | 04:27 |
| plasma41 | ugh, spammer | 04:27 |
| DashiePie | we got him to four paragraphs, boys | 04:30 |
| Xenguy | Why you spammer swine | 04:32 |
| brocashelm | i felt important for a second with a mention... now i'm disappointed | 04:41 |
| Juest | in case you dont know them, its someone using acidvegas bot | 04:57 |
| Juest | invite ozone for a while if you can, operators | 04:58 |
| Xenguy | rawr | 05:04 |
| brocashelm | multiple individuals? | 05:09 |
| fatal | alternative to twitter? who would have thought... they around for like the last 15 years. | 05:29 |
| fluffywolf | I didn't like twitter before not liking twitter was cool. :P | 05:37 |
| bdju | seeing the same supernets spam all over. I wonder what their endgame is | 05:52 |
| bdju | well actually usually it's to join their IRC, this looks like something else | 05:52 |
| bdju | guess they got a fedi instance | 05:53 |
| micdud | keyword registration next to a url ? | 05:55 |
| onefang | #devuan-offtopic would be a better place to discuss that. | 05:58 |
| twofangs | hello onefang | 06:02 |
| twofangs | I'm better then you | 06:02 |
| al1r4d | :/ | 06:11 |
| onefang | Quality over quantity every time. | 06:43 |
| Jens3 | I guess I found 2 error in manpage man 5 crontab from anacron: 33 22 * * * expr $(date +s) / 60 / 60 / 24 9 > /dev/null || echo Wax the floor. +%s and 24 % 9 could | 09:21 |
| squeaktoy | What is a supernets anyways? | 09:41 |
| squeaktoy | An IP logger? | 09:42 |
| squeaktoy | Oh wait this is IRC. IP is already public by default | 09:43 |
| ozone | ** Warning: if there is any bot in #devuan which should be exempted from ozone, voice it or contact staffers before it gets caught ** | 10:06 |
| onefang | So what is this ozone thing? | 10:23 |
| sixwheeledbeast | libera anti-spam bot | 10:24 |
| djph | squeaktoy: a 'supernet' is just a bigger netmask that contains individual networks. for example, an office on a college campus might be given a /24 per each of 3 floors, and then the commensurate /22 supernet would be used in the university's routing tables. | 11:15 |
| DFP | He was asking about the website that a bot was advertising. | 11:17 |
| Jens3 | where should I report an error in a man page. Here, devuan bugzilla, debian, upstream? | 11:24 |
| djph | probably best to the author of the manpage | 11:25 |
| joerg | onefang: https://libera.chat/guides/bots#ozone | 12:48 |
| xd3 | hey guys, upon updating my system apt repirted errors with the packages "openrc" | 12:51 |
| xd3 | " initscripts" and "sysvinit-core" | 12:51 |
| xd3 | what does this even mean? i rrally dont want to mess with my init system as im uneducated about it. i also havent changed any apt / dpkg configs | 12:52 |
| xd3 | also im on mobile and have to use ssh, so sorry for accidental typo`s | 12:54 |
| onefang | Thanks joerg. | 12:56 |
| xd3 | i also had a qt program crash which wont start anymore. idk if its related or not | 13:03 |
| gnarface | xd3: which release? | 13:10 |
| xd3 | devuan 6 | 13:11 |
| gnarface | it's probably broken because they broke something then | 13:11 |
| gnarface | just to be clear, you probably should be running 5 if you're inexperienced | 13:12 |
| xd3 | damn, | 13:12 |
| gnarface | ... especially so soon after a release | 13:12 |
| gnarface | the testing release is for testing bugs like this | 13:12 |
| xd3 | yeah fair enough. i was running 5 for a while but updates were too slow. | 13:12 |
| gnarface | yea, that's why it doesn't break as much | 13:13 |
| xd3 | programs werent working and the update whoch fixed it came very late | 13:13 |
| xd3 | i mean program updates* | 13:13 |
| xd3 | i guess its some sort of tradeoff | 13:13 |
| xd3 | but an error with the openrc package... will i be abke to boot normally? | 13:14 |
| gnarface | i couldn't say, you haven't even told me what the error was | 13:14 |
| xd3 | i know as little as you do | 13:15 |
| xd3 | one sec | 13:15 |
| xd3 | apt/dpkt just reports that errors were encountered without elaborating | 13:15 |
| gnarface | sometimes aptitude can provide more helpful suggestions | 13:17 |
| gnarface | but usually the answer is to roll back to the previous version and wait it out | 13:17 |
| xd3 | i recall many packages being uograded, how can i rollback and which packages do i rollback? just the broken ones? | 13:22 |
| gnarface | it's a good question | 13:22 |
| gnarface | the best way is to restore from the previous backup that you certainly would have made right before attempting a untested upgrade of the testing release... | 13:23 |
| gnarface | lacking that though, eh, maybe just try just the broken package | 13:23 |
| gnarface | you probably should have some sort of rescue usb key handy | 13:24 |
| gnarface | a live image or something like that | 13:24 |
| xd3 | hmm, i only have a backup of my home directory, so i guess that wont cut it | 13:24 |
| xd3 | i do have a rescue usb. i guess ill have to get home first | 13:24 |
| gnarface | you can try rolling the broken package back to the previous release and just upgrading stuff that doesn't need the new version, but i can't guarantee it will boot either way | 13:25 |
| gnarface | i mean, it's probably fine still but there's no way for me to be sure | 13:25 |
| xd3 | ill look into it when im home, if i can reboot ill wait for a fiz, if not ill try to rollback | 13:26 |
| xd3 | fix* | 13:26 |
| gnarface | in general, if you're going to be running testing or unstable you will want to have a backup and a recovery strategy | 13:37 |
| gnarface | doesn't have to be anything fancy, if you know what you're doing you can just use tar | 13:37 |
| gnarface | you may want to see if debian's bug tracker has any mention of this; occasionally they'll have a workaround for a bug posted | 13:38 |
| xd3 | good point | 13:39 |
| user3614 | What is the proper way to remve an bbsolete package conffile? | 19:33 |
| debdog | "purge" instead of "remove" | 19:34 |
| debdog | e.g. "aptitude purge ..." | 19:35 |
| user3614 | The obsolete conffile is in an installed package, which I don't want to remove. | 19:35 |
| debdog | oh | 19:36 |
| debdog | rename the file and see if it's re-created. then remove the renamed one | 19:36 |
| debdog | how can it be obsolete if the package is still installed? | 19:37 |
| debdog | older version? | 19:37 |
| user3614 | I have run 'dpkg --status gettext-el', and the output contains: 'Conffiles: | 19:39 |
| user3614 | /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50gettext.el 074ebd9cfc02a508823b3e324f5dc852 obsolete' | 19:39 |
| * debdog waits for an emacs user to respond | 19:40 | |
| user3614 | I have looked into the file and pretty sure it is not necessary and outdated. The useful code there is now elsewhere, and it produces an incorrect warning on startup, that the package is rmeoved but nor purged. | 19:42 |
| user3614 | The question is: how to remove it that dpkg/apt won't complain that it is missing? | 19:43 |
| debdog | user3614: https://www.proulx.com/~bob/doc/bobs-guide-to-system-upgrades-with-debian/bobs-guide-to-system-upgrades-with-debian.html this site has a topic on "Clean Old/New conffiles". mayhap that help? | 19:44 |
| debdog | *helps | 19:44 |
| debdog | AFAICS bob just delets such files "find /etc [...] -delete" | 19:47 |
| user3614 | Thank you, ut looks useful. With the command there I have found a bunch of other obsolete conffiles in my system. | 19:52 |
| debdog | \ΓΈ/ | 19:53 |
| debdog | oops | 19:53 |
| user3614 | It also recommends reinstalling the package after deleting its obsolete conffile. | 19:53 |
| user3614 | I have just tried it and without reinstallation the removed file is still claimed as obsolete conffile. | 19:56 |
| debdog | hmm | 19:57 |
| debdog | mayhap dpkg -C, --audit ? | 20:00 |
| user3614 | dpkg --audit outputs nothing, but dpkg --status PACKAGE still lists the removed conffile as obsolete. | 20:15 |
| user3614 | Just found out that the instruction for finding moved conffiles is not working: 'dpkg -S FILE' lists only the new package but not the old one. (In my case, conffiles moved from mimu-support to media-types.) | 21:03 |
| user3614 | Anyway, thank you for the link to the website, with its help I've got rid of all but 2 of the obsolete conffiles. | 21:43 |
| debdog | "What about Bob" thank Bob for that, hehe | 21:44 |
| rwp | You are most welcome! I am glad that is useful documentation for you. Makes me happy. :-) | 21:46 |
| rwp | If you are still trying to fix up two more obsolete conffiles note that with careful editing you can edit the status file manually and deal with them that way. | 21:47 |
| debdog | user3614: ^ | 21:49 |
| user3614 | Sure, many thanks to Bob for the detailed instructions. | 21:51 |
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