| joerg | ooh, schillinhaus left. Anyway here's the legendary Frankenkeyboard :-D https://eu-browse.startpage.com/av/anon-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Flotharf.wordpress.com%2Ffiles%2F2009%2F10%2Ffraenkischetastatur.jpg&sp=1697330793Tb0012354f423c5592d324b696210222358c5e67b734aea2aa747ed468ea3ca4c | 02:49 |
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| fluffywolf | https://lotharf.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/fraenkischetastatur.jpg works even better.... | 02:55 |
| joerg | indeed, thanks :-D | 02:57 |
| joerg | https://lotharf.wordpress.com/2009/10/30/frankische-tastatur/ | 03:00 |
| joerg | ok, OT :-) | 03:01 |
| Xenguy | brocashelm, re: timeshirt, I'm curious what size the snapshots are that timeshift creates, generally? | 03:41 |
| Xenguy | er, timeshift | 03:42 |
| djph | Xenguy: first one's as big as / (or whatever you're backing up), subsequent are only the diffs | 03:42 |
| djph | (plus a little overhead) | 03:42 |
| Xenguy | djph, Makes sense, thanks. I think I used to use rsnapshot, but that was many years ago now | 03:44 |
| systemdlete | gnarface, I did a clean shutdown of the VM in question. Then I "cold" booted it and ran it for a few hours. Now, no problems. | 03:47 |
| systemdlete | But I will still run the bit fade just to be sure. | 03:47 |
| brocashelm | xenguy: there's also grsync, which is still gtk2-based | 03:49 |
| brocashelm | i just prefer timeshift as it comes pre-configured and you just have to decide how often to run its cron jobs | 03:50 |
| Xenguy | brocashelm, grsync seems to be a GUI for rsync, and not an incremental backup tool per se... | 03:52 |
| Xenguy | As for timeshift, I probably need a much larger hard drive, unless I can point the snapshot to an external drive (which I would expect to be doable) | 03:53 |
| brocashelm | backintime is another one i use | 03:54 |
| brocashelm | but that's more for personal data than system | 03:54 |
| Xenguy | Not in Beowulf it appears | 03:54 |
| brocashelm | it's easy to point the path of the drive you want your data backed up to | 03:54 |
| brocashelm | wdym? https://packages.debian.org/buster/backintime-qt4 | 03:55 |
| brocashelm | i remember installing it when i tried beowulf | 03:55 |
| djph | Xenguy: it is doable :) | 03:56 |
| djph | if you've got ext4, timeshift just does rsync-style incrementals | 03:57 |
| Xenguy | brocashelm, You're right, I didn't have the full package name when I searched it | 03:58 |
| brocashelm | ;) | 04:01 |
| brocashelm | so yes, timeshift for system backups, backintime for personal backups | 04:02 |
| brocashelm | it just works | 04:02 |
| brocashelm | gparted for 1:1 partition backups | 04:02 |
| Xenguy | TIL about some newer useful backup tools | 04:05 |
| systemdlete | oh | 04:12 |
| systemdlete | wait... | 04:12 |
| * systemdlete is really duh | 04:12 | |
| systemdlete | I enabled sounds in THAT channel | 04:12 |
| systemdlete | only | 04:12 |
| systemdlete | nvm | 04:12 |
| systemdlete | nvm that was for the #hexchat channel. I thought I had a problem. It was my own stupidity. | 04:13 |
| * systemdlete is really goofing it up today | 04:13 | |
| systemdlete | just nevermind all of what I wrote for the last 5 minutes | 04:14 |
| systemdlete | you know those childproof safety door locks they have for rear doors of cars? I think I might need something LIKE that for hexchat. | 04:17 |
| systemdlete | (I think I got enough sleep last night, but maybe not) | 04:17 |
| systemdlete | Xenguy: Do share. I am looking into a replacement for my own backups. | 04:18 |
| fluffywolf | I use borgbackup. it... makes backups. | 04:19 |
| systemdlete | no kidding. | 04:19 |
| systemdlete | borgbackup. OK, I'll look at that. | 04:19 |
| systemdlete | then there is backintime and timeshift | 04:21 |
| systemdlete | timevault | 04:25 |
| systemdlete | but timevault hasn't been maintained for more than 15 years | 04:26 |
| Xenguy | A whole bunch of newer backup tools that I've never heard of | 04:28 |
| rwp | The current state of the art in backup seems to be https://restic.net/ so it should be on the list too. | 04:37 |
| systemdlete | thanks all | 04:40 |
| systemdlete | I will be investigating and trying these out | 04:40 |
| psionic | What laptop to buy with 10000 cores and zillion ram in it which runs linshit the best this year? | 07:17 |
| psionic | u need like 8 cpu 32 ram just to run fucking chrome these days | 07:17 |
| psionic | so i want something not getting obsoleted by next year | 07:17 |
| psionic | anything besides Lenovo GENx p16 with Ryzen? | 07:18 |
| psionic | not big fan of AMD | 07:18 |
| comborico1611 | I just installed Devuan on expert mode. But I didn´t make any user accounts. I didn´t use network setup but just iso installer | 11:02 |
| comborico1611 | So now it boots up (sorta) and asks for login info in text mode. Tried root toor but no luck | 11:03 |
| debdog | comborico1611: you could try booting rescue mode from that installer iso and tell it to use your HDD's root fs. then run the adduser command. | 11:06 |
| comborico1611 | Ok. I will try this. thank you! | 11:06 |
| [-_-] | hello | 15:34 |
| [-_-] | How do I change mouse focus to my second screen? | 15:35 |
| [-_-] | heeeeeelp | 15:35 |
| gnarface | you can't just move the mouse across the window boundary? | 15:38 |
| gnarface | er, screen boundary i mean? | 15:38 |
| gnarface | which window manager is it? | 15:38 |
| gnarface | try the other screen edge, maybe you have left/right swapped | 15:38 |
| Wonka | haha, yes, on my notebook, the external monitor by default is right (despite the port being left)... logged out, it's that way too, only when logged in I can configure the external monitor to be on the left... | 15:41 |
| gnarface | there is also the possibility with some hardware for the displays to switch order between reboots | 15:43 |
| gnarface | i guess that must have been it | 15:43 |
| [-_-] | alr | 16:00 |
| [-_-] | https://paste.debian.net/1295120/ | 16:01 |
| [-_-] | I am nvm https://paste.debian.net/plain/1295120 | 16:02 |
| [-_-] | I am using this config to create a 2nd dummy display, and I am able to access it via vnc on android | 16:02 |
| [-_-] | but I need to know how to change mouse and keyboard focus between these | 16:03 |
| [-_-] | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1295121 | 16:03 |
| [-_-] | here is the xorg.conf | 16:03 |
| [-_-] | so, I am not using xinerama | 16:03 |
| [-_-] | I don't think I can just move my mouse accross the boundary to change focus | 16:04 |
| [-_-] | note, enabling xinerama breaks xorg in an some way | 16:05 |
| [-_-] | and there seems to be no fix for this | 16:05 |
| [-_-] | gnarface: bro, you have to let go of debian paste, it is killing me | 16:05 |
| gnarface | you can just /msg this stuff to me instead | 16:18 |
| [-_-] | :) | 16:21 |
| gnarface | ok, so here's the deal | 16:21 |
| * [-_-] is ready | 16:21 | |
| gnarface | i think you're doing something fundamentally wrong here, but there's 2 related things you're doing differently from me that i'm not sure are the cause or not | 16:21 |
| gnarface | 1) so, maybe this is still proper, but you have defined your screen orientations in the ServerLayout section | 16:22 |
| gnarface | 2) you're using multiple screens in the ServerLayout section but you're trying to mouse between them? i didn't think that was actually possible. between displays on the same screen, yes. but not between displays on separate screens. | 16:23 |
| [-_-] | then you have 2 mouse for two monitors? | 16:23 |
| gnarface | no, i have two monitors but only one "Screen" in X11 terminology | 16:24 |
| [-_-] | hmmm!? | 16:25 |
| [-_-] | how did you keep them together? | 16:25 |
| gnarface | i have this line: Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 | 16:26 |
| gnarface | not these two though: Screen 1 "Screen1" RightOf "Screen0" | 16:26 |
| gnarface | Screen 2 "dummy_screen" RightOf "Screen1" | 16:26 |
| gnarface | (in my Section "ServerLayout") | 16:26 |
| gnarface | but... | 16:26 |
| gnarface | i also have this: | 16:27 |
| gnarface | Option "LeftOf" "Monitor5" | 16:27 |
| gnarface | in my definition for Identifier "Monitor6" | 16:27 |
| gnarface | in my Section "Monitor" section | 16:27 |
| gnarface | (i only have monitor5 and monitor6, don't get confused by that, none of the others are connected) | 16:28 |
| gnarface | maybe that's too hard to follow? basically i think you've got screens and monitors backwards. you want to configure this assuming screens are containers for multiple monitors, not 1 screen per monitor | 16:30 |
| gnarface | but maybe that also cant' work with dummy screens, i dunno | 16:30 |
| [-_-] | ohuuuuuu | 16:30 |
| [-_-] | good point though | 16:30 |
| rustyaxe | Looks like the various libpigpio packages are missing /usr/include/pigpio.h but include the other headers that rely on it :( | 16:30 |
| buZz | i rarely if ever touch xorg.conf at all for screen layouts | 16:30 |
| buZz | instead, i just have my WM do this at startup ; xrandr --output DVI-D-0 --mode 1920x1080 --pos 4890x300 --rotate normal --output HDMI-0 --primary --mode 1920x1080 --pos 1050x300 --rotate normal --output DP-1 --mode 1920x1080 --pos 2970x300 --rotate normal --output DP-0 --off --output DVI-D-1 --mode 1680x1050 --pos 0x0 --rotate left | 16:31 |
| buZz | :) | 16:31 |
| gnarface | whatever works, it's basically interchangeable. these are randr config fields in the xorg.conf | 16:31 |
| gnarface | the only thing is, nvidia drivers tend to struggle with implementing all the syntax | 16:31 |
| gnarface | amdgpu should be fine though | 16:32 |
| buZz | -but- i still need to grab EDID from one of the screens and correct its contents :( my 42" 1080p 'tv' monitor is reporting itself as 16x9 cm , messing up many DPI settings | 16:32 |
| buZz | i'm using nvidia drivers | 16:32 |
| [-_-] | allright, then lemme ask the fundamental question, I wanna use my smartphone or tab as a 2nd monitor | 16:33 |
| [-_-] | how do I do that? | 16:33 |
| [-_-] | I think using vnc, but other solutions are also welcome | 16:33 |
| [-_-] | gnarface: can you give me your xorg.conf? | 16:35 |
| [-_-] | I need to see the monitor section to be sure | 16:35 |
| gnarface | sure, one moment | 16:35 |
| buZz | [-_-]: there used to be X servers for android | 16:35 |
| buZz | you could just run that, and DISPLAY=myandroid:1 xterm | 16:36 |
| buZz | etc | 16:36 |
| gnarface | in theory you can still do it with that microsoft RNDIS thing they just removed from more recent kernel versions | 16:36 |
| gnarface | as a USB display | 16:36 |
| gnarface | and probably as a touchscreen | 16:36 |
| gnarface | definitely as a network device | 16:36 |
| buZz | fyi, many androids have support for ethernet | 16:36 |
| buZz | just hookup a usb ethernet dongle | 16:36 |
| [-_-] | i want my laptop to do the heavy lifting | 16:37 |
| gnarface | [-_-]: xorg.conf: https://paste.debian.net/1295126/ | 16:37 |
| buZz | needs more mice, gnarface | 16:38 |
| buZz | :D | 16:38 |
| gnarface | [-_-]: so, see i put my xrandr options in the Monitor sections instead of the ServerLayout section. i don't know if that's even valid, but i also am only using one Screen my ServerLayout section. | 16:39 |
| gnarface | buZz: obviously this has never all been connected at once | 16:39 |
| buZz | booooooo | 16:39 |
| buZz | :) | 16:39 |
| buZz | remember warcraft before WoW ? one of its versions did multiplayer by allowing multiple mice connected to the DOS machine running it :D | 16:40 |
| buZz | pretty funny | 16:40 |
| [-_-] | wait, gnarface do you simply use two monitors as one? | 16:42 |
| [-_-] | like drag programs from one to the other? | 16:42 |
| [-_-] | with mouse? | 16:43 |
| buZz | i have four monitors like that | 16:43 |
| gnarface | [-_-]: yea of course | 16:43 |
| [-_-] | no, I use dwm | 16:43 |
| [-_-] | ;_; | 16:43 |
| buZz | dwm still doesnt implement >1 monitor? | 16:43 |
| gnarface | [-_-]: isn't that what you're trying to do but with a dummy monitor? maybe i misunderstood your plan entirely, but what's important is that i don't think there is a way to drag the mouse between Screens, i thought you meant Monitors | 16:43 |
| buZz | yes there is | 16:44 |
| buZz | 'synergy' is one | 16:44 |
| [-_-] | I didn't know they were different | 16:44 |
| buZz | 'x2x' is another one | 16:44 |
| gnarface | oh i see | 16:44 |
| buZz | oh, dragging windows , no , but moving mice, yes | 16:44 |
| gnarface | hmm, interesting | 16:44 |
| buZz | yeah x2x is awesome, i ran many setups with such setups | 16:45 |
| buZz | eh | 16:45 |
| buZz | yeah | 16:45 |
| [-_-] | it seems to work, screen to screen, more update coming | 16:52 |
| [-_-] | okay, guys it seems I am actually able to drag my mouse across the screen | 17:07 |
| [-_-] | but this is two separate display, not one display in two monitor, display means a surface across which several windows can exist, and those windows can be dragged from one corner to the other, even if that means another monitor | 17:08 |
| [-_-] | now, I have noticed that if I press and hold a key, the keyboard doesn't register, or smth, like if I press and hold g, only one g is written, what can be the cause | 17:09 |
| [-_-] | I do already consider this adventure a success though | 17:10 |
| gnarface | [-_-]: "Display" in that context, i'm assuming is specific to your window manager, which is below Xorg's reckoning | 17:10 |
| gnarface | the key thing might be a key mapping issue, you could try "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration' | 17:11 |
| gnarface | er, "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" | 17:11 |
| [-_-] | this has not fixed it | 17:26 |
| gnarface | you sure you picked the right mapping? | 17:28 |
| [-_-] | totally | 17:28 |
| [-_-] | https://askubuntu.com/a/87106 | 17:28 |
| gnarface | dpkg-reconfigure locales? | 17:28 |
| [-_-] | this fixed for me | 17:28 |
| gnarface | oh, i see | 17:29 |
| gnarface | i didn't quite understand your issue again, sorry | 17:29 |
| [-_-] | because I couldn't explain correctly :D | 17:30 |
| [-_-] | I didn't know the word, luckly other have faced the issue | 17:30 |
| [-_-] | there are many other issues, but for now, this is fine, time to buy a tab with a big ass screen | 17:32 |
| [-_-] | the other day I wasted the whole day doing this, I feel so good now | 17:34 |
| furrymcgee | hello devuan | 17:37 |
| furrymcgee | need help to start local apt repository from devuan dvd | 17:38 |
| furrymcgee | the weserver mounts devuaniso on /var/www directory | 17:39 |
| furrymcgee | apt update requests a release.gpg from network | 17:39 |
| furrymcgee | someone would have to sign it | 17:40 |
| [-_-] | guy, you do keep notes on various problems, right? iirc sometime you guys say, "lemme see my notes", how do you keep notes? pen and paper? or smth else? | 17:53 |
| [-_-] | I wanna record what I did today | 17:53 |
| n4dir | i don't keep notes | 17:56 |
| [-_-] | you remember everything? | 17:57 |
| n4dir | no, that would be nice. I ask again | 17:57 |
| n4dir | well, and i use the history completion of the cli a lot | 17:57 |
| [-_-] | me too, but it is limited, lemme increase my size, good point | 17:58 |
| n4dir | the would mean editing /etc/inputrc, assuming they didn't make it standard yet | 17:58 |
| n4dir | imho: if you use the computer to make notes, you need to find the right program. That program then must be installed on all new computers you get, you run into | 17:59 |
| n4dir | if you just use pen and paper: it is much easier | 17:59 |
| n4dir | That said: back 10 years many liked "zim" for notes | 18:00 |
| [-_-] | yeah, that is what is holding me back, also i think markup/down or other langs are slow, so the only thing remainging is plain text | 18:00 |
| n4dir | but really: just asking a searchengine usually just does it for me. If not i ask in a channel or forum | 18:00 |
| [-_-] | but I wanna link topics, like like mode setting driver can be disabled from kernal cmd line or modprobe | 18:01 |
| [-_-] | some way to link topics is enough for me | 18:01 |
| n4dir | a friend of mine loves a wiki which is easily linkable, can be hosted locally, but i always forget the name of it | 18:01 |
| n4dir | i think zim could do what you want, but it is too long ago | 18:01 |
| n4dir | [-_-]: it might have been tiddly wiki | 18:05 |
| DFP | [-_-]: I have a Java program I wrote for notes, and I use it now: http://danilafoxpro.s1.luan.software/programs/junotu.html | 18:08 |
| DFP | Basically it's a thin layer on top of Lucene v3.0.3, which is an indexer written in Java. My main goals were to make it easy to enter new data, and easy to retrieve any recorded data (you can easily do pretty specific searches). | 18:12 |
| furrymcgee | calcurse is a text-based calendar and todo manager | 18:19 |
| furrymcgee | but me ended up sending email to myself | 18:20 |
| fsmithred | blosxom - light, feature-packed weblog app with plugin extensibility | 18:37 |
| gnarface | [-_-]: lol, open a text editor and save them on your actual linux box | 18:44 |
| gnarface | pen and paper wtf? | 18:44 |
| gnarface | lol | 18:44 |
| gnarface | the notes, i mean | 18:44 |
| gnarface | creative problem solving is important | 18:45 |
| gnarface | don't over complicate it though, use plain text | 18:46 |
| ml303_ | Hello. | 18:55 |
| gnarface | don't wait for permission to ask, just ask | 18:57 |
| ml303_ | Hahaha. Does anyone here use moc player? I can't seem to play opus files, which libs do I need on devuan? | 18:57 |
| gnarface | you shouldn't need to know which libs you need, it should know for you. just install the moc package | 18:58 |
| gnarface | moc - ncurses based console audio player | 18:58 |
| gnarface | this one | 18:58 |
| ml303_ | Yes. I have it installed. It just won't play | 18:58 |
| gnarface | hmm | 18:58 |
| ml303_ | All other formats are playable, this one tho | 18:59 |
| gnarface | do you have libopus0? | 18:59 |
| gnarface | and opus-tools? | 18:59 |
| ml303_ | gimme a sec | 18:59 |
| gnarface | moc would also have to have support though i think | 19:00 |
| gnarface | i'm not familiar with it, are you sure this is supposed to work? | 19:00 |
| ml303_ | Yeah it should, It worked fine on all my previous distros. I dunno why it isn't this time | 19:01 |
| gnarface | you had libopus0 already? | 19:01 |
| ml303_ | Plus all my music lib is opus, sucks having to learn to use a new player | 19:01 |
| gnarface | does it error and refuse to play, or does it just look like it's playing but not make any sound? | 19:03 |
| ml303_ | I've install libopus0 and opus-tools, didn't play. Moc does not seem to recognized files with the .opus extension. When I select a directory populated with such files, it shows no files! | 19:03 |
| gnarface | you have libopusfile0 as well? | 19:04 |
| ml303_ | Yeah I do | 19:04 |
| ml303_ | cmus and pragha play them just fine BTW | 19:04 |
| gnarface | after you installed those libs, did you run "ldconfig" then relog? | 19:04 |
| gnarface | oh | 19:04 |
| gnarface | hmm | 19:04 |
| ml303_ | ldconfig, no. should I | 19:05 |
| gnarface | well you should have, yes, but if other programs are working fine you or something must have run it already | 19:05 |
| gnarface | that suggests the problem is with this moc build specifically, but if you're using a moc config from another distro try it without first | 19:06 |
| ml303_ | I'm guessing that moc wasn't compiled with support for .opus files, even mpv plays just fine | 19:06 |
| gnarface | i see libopusfile0 in the list of dependencies on the daedalus version of the package though | 19:07 |
| gnarface | which devuan release are you using? | 19:07 |
| gnarface | hmm, looks like they might all have that though | 19:08 |
| gnarface | you sure it's not a permissions issue on the files or something like that? | 19:08 |
| ml303_ | I don't think so, all files are owned by me, | 19:09 |
| ml303_ | gonna compile it now, see for myself | 19:09 |
| gnarface | from the source package? | 19:11 |
| ml303_ | I download a tarball from their website | 19:11 |
| gnarface | probably not the easiest way | 19:11 |
| gnarface | but either way you can use "apt-get build-dep moc" | 19:12 |
| ml303_ | no worries their, I have no trouble compiling stuff, I'm a programmer btw | 19:13 |
| ml303_ | Ok I'll try that | 19:13 |
| clemens3 | I have been out a few days, so maybe it has been posted, and I think it is ontopic, not..: //news.techrights.org/n/2023/10/12/OpenBSD_Founder_Theo_de_Raadt_Says_Wayland_is_an_Attack_Softwar.shtml | 20:44 |
| ml303 | moc-ffmpeg-plugin installed. I can now play opus files. Tried to build the ffmpeg decoder_plugin but wasn't successfull, | 20:49 |
| gnarface | ah, i probably should have noticed that package | 20:57 |
| gnarface | makes sense | 20:57 |
| ml303 | no problem, thanks for the help. | 21:20 |
| Pause | Thank you to everyone involved for Daedalus (and Devuan as a whole), as having upgraded after only just becoming aware of it being out, it seems to have gone smoothly. | 22:52 |
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