| bootdevplz | in initramfs console | 00:34 |
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| bootdevplz | opened luks and vgchange -a y. fsck /dev/mapper/vgxxx works. but mount /dev/mapper/vgxxx /root says no such file or dir. its the same device file, and /root does exist. wth? | 00:35 |
| bootdevplz | ah ok that mount needed -t ext4 | 00:38 |
| bootdevplz | booting :) (needed still to call cryptsetup myself, yet) | 00:49 |
| bootdevplz | btw, ctrl-C is not working. not from install cd, not from the installed system.... wut???? | 00:50 |
| rwp | I have not read through the scrollback but it seems you are doing something very custom? So perhaps your stty erase character is not getting the normal treatment? | 00:53 |
| rwp | Run "stty -a" and look at the "intr" setting. Normally that would be ^C but if it ways # or other things then it is simply not configured as a modern system. | 00:53 |
| bootdevplz | rwp nope was aiming for simple install (besides using raid, on it luks, on it LVM, which just works in the menu disk partitioner even). but it failed to boot with EFI/ESP (maybe instructions were unclear???) so I switched to booting as legacy non-EFI | 00:54 |
| rwp | Set it with "stty intr ^C" | 00:54 |
| rwp | Booting legacy bios mode is the reliable option. UEFI on my somewhat older systems is buggy and problematic, hit or miss on a machine by machine basis. | 00:54 |
| bootdevplz | why did we even switched to EFI? someone needs to make a kickstarter for good mainboards with full legacy. we can have funds for solar roadways or selffilling bottles so why not that | 00:55 |
| rwp | At the time I was told it was so the UEFI boot environment could have a full graphical OS consuming as much disk space as needed to do so. At a time when nand flash memory was small and expensive. And people wanted the firmware configuration screen to be able to use the mouse. | 00:57 |
| bootdevplz | ctrl-C was not working already in the install CD..... what is this... could it not work in some of USA keyboard settings? | 00:57 |
| bootdevplz | graphical BIOS with mouse, yeah clearly an everyday needed. eh humanity... | 00:58 |
| rwp | In the install CD? With the graphical installer or the text mode installer? I would not expect it to work with the graphical installer. So text mode it is. | 00:58 |
| bootdevplz | rwp exper install, so it was text mode. | 00:59 |
| rwp | In the text mode installer do you mean after pressing Alt-F2 or Alt-F3 to get to one of the spare consoles and then it does not work there? I recall it working for me. | 00:59 |
| bootdevplz | also, ctrl-alt-f4 was as well not working in installer, never managed to switch console | 00:59 |
| bootdevplz | -f2 or -f3 also not | 00:59 |
| bootdevplz | it did nothing | 00:59 |
| rwp | This is all indicating to me that your keyboard is not producing the expected scancodes. Try a different keyboard? | 00:59 |
| bootdevplz | ctrl-alt-f switching DOES work in the installed OS now. | 01:00 |
| bootdevplz | but not ctrl-C in vt1 at least | 01:00 |
| rwp | The installer will be running in vt1 and that has a captured user interface for the menus. Control-C should not do anything there. If you want to abort or cancel you have to walk through the menu selections. | 01:01 |
| bootdevplz | stty -a shows settings that I guess look normal, also I didnt changed anything here | 01:02 |
| bootdevplz | how to view scancodes, as TTY sees them? | 01:02 |
| bootdevplz | showkeys --scancodes. ctrl-C makes 0x1d 0x9d | 01:04 |
| rwp | I was off setting up an install test. Though I am sure that it all works for me okay. | 01:05 |
| bootdevplz | 1d 9d is just CTRL key | 01:07 |
| bootdevplz | ctrl-c should be 2e ae | 01:07 |
| rwp | For me I verified that Alt-F2 and Alt-F3 switch me to the spare consoles and Control-C works there no problem. | 01:08 |
| bootdevplz | other keyboard said: USB overcurrent, and turned off the computer. LOL. | 01:08 |
| bootdevplz | what is this cursed hardware | 01:09 |
| rwp | What said "USB overcurrent"? | 01:09 |
| bootdevplz | kernel | 01:09 |
| mystified1234 | Hi I've downloaded Devuan 5 minimal, what is the command to start the installation process, "install" is not the command. | 01:10 |
| rwp | Well... I don't know how to interpret these things but there is a clue to the problem. It's talking to you. | 01:10 |
| mystified1234 | Intending to install a base server, no desktop | 01:10 |
| bootdevplz | maybe the uefi commitet heads wants a free usb keyboar for santa this year | 01:10 |
| rwp | mystified1234, Instead I strongly recommend downloading the "netinst" ISO image and using it. That's the one you want. | 01:10 |
| mystified1234 | ahh. thanks | 01:11 |
| rwp | The netinst iso will boot to the installer. It is the small download image and will download packages as it installs them. | 01:11 |
| KZSAZO | today i switched from debian bullseye to devuan daedalus, the only issue i had was that the 5.0.1 desktop/netinstall ISOs wouldn't allow me do UEFI boot and none of the solutions on the forums (https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=5864) worked for me, but i worked around it by installing chimaera first and then upgrading to daedalus. i'm really liking it so far! feels good to not have to deal with systemd anymore :P | 01:12 |
| rwp | If you need an offline installation off the net then the other images can be used offline. | 01:12 |
| rwp | Documentation to walk through the install: https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/daedalus/install-devuan | 01:12 |
| bootdevplz | KZSAZO cool. I worked around different problems with uefi by using non-efi here (old mainboard) | 01:13 |
| rwp | Welcome KZSAZO! Glad you could join us. And there have been many people today with UEFI problems. It should be no wonder that we gripe about UEFI! | 01:13 |
| bootdevplz | would be nice if installer would tell you are you in EFI mode or not, show some hints; and ask what boot method you want. e.g. tell you about the 1 mb partition trick | 01:14 |
| rwp | mystified1234, I should have also mentioned that you want the amd64 version for most current desktop or laptop machines. I should have said that initially. | 01:14 |
| bootdevplz | something that upstream would work on I guess (debian install menus) | 01:14 |
| rwp | I agree that it would be nice. It effects the partition layout created. It effects which grub packages are installed. | 01:15 |
| mystified1234 | 5.01amd64 is being DL via torrent | 01:15 |
| mystified1234 | using a ventoy usb | 01:17 |
| rwp | Regarding Ventoy... I don't know how well that works, have not tried it myself, and we only hear about it when people using it have problems, so that's biased data. | 01:18 |
| rwp | If it does not work please just try booting the ISO directly. | 01:18 |
| Necrodiver | Ive never had trouble with ventory | 01:19 |
| Necrodiver | ventoy | 01:19 |
| Necrodiver | i use it all the time | 01:19 |
| mystified1234 | sometimes they dont boot. Minimal booted. | 01:19 |
| brocashelm | no issues with ventoy; i use it all the time with my live isos | 01:19 |
| rwp | There you go! A positive report from someone not having problems with it. That's good to hear. | 01:19 |
| KZSAZO | i used ventoy to install devuan today, worked well with all the ISOs i tested | 01:19 |
| mystified1234 | I'm walkint to the server, I'll provide you with the results in a few. Thanks Guys. | 01:19 |
| brocashelm | only time i've had issues booting ventoy menu is incorrect option (using legacy boot on uefi/secureboot) | 01:20 |
| brocashelm | it has eliminated whatever issues with unetbootin or multibootusb (can't recall the name) | 01:20 |
| brocashelm | that's all | 01:20 |
| rwp | mystified1234, I know there is a minimal boot image but I don't see one listed in the Devuan download areas. Makes me wonder where you got your image from? | 01:21 |
| rwp | https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/daedalus/install-devuan | 01:21 |
| * rwp is being called afk again | 01:22 | |
| yauz | Ok, can't replicate the weirdness. Must have tickled something odd. Now the installer behaves like the regular Debian installer. | 01:24 |
| KZSAZO | rwp, mini.iso here: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/ceres/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ | 01:24 |
| gnarface | yauz: probably aliens | 01:24 |
| KZSAZO | oops didn't mean to link to ceres instead of daedalus, sorry! | 01:28 |
| bootdevplz | is there some package to install to get the minimal default firewall? | 01:30 |
| gnarface | whatever is in debian, it's got | 01:31 |
| gnarface | but there's nothing minimal about a package to control your firewall | 01:32 |
| brocashelm | ufw is often recommended | 01:33 |
| brocashelm | but define "minimal"? | 01:33 |
| bootdevplz | the nft.conf that closes all incomming, but keeps normal outgoing working | 01:34 |
| yauz | gnarface: riiiiiiight. | 01:35 |
| gnarface | bootdevplz: "apt-cache search firewall" only returns 52 packages, and the ones that aren't related are easily discounted by description... take your pick or just put some iptables/nftables rules in a shell script yourself | 01:37 |
| gnarface | bootdevplz: actually, here, i wrote one already, you can have it: https://paste.debian.net/1296778/ | 01:38 |
| gnarface | (sorry it's iptables, if you want to use nftables you'll have to do some minor transposing) | 01:39 |
| bootdevplz | gnarface yes, that. neat. Should be a package so you can 1cmd get int, with obvious name like firewall-mostsimple-firewall and maybe depend on a thing to make nft load config on boot | 02:01 |
| bootdevplz | next, would be even better if installer would ask user whether to install that. just one less thing to remember on many installs | 02:01 |
| bootdevplz | as for ctrl-C, f1 etc.. seems it was the keyboard hardware just broken | 02:02 |
| gnarface | yep, they don't last forever | 02:04 |
| gnarface | devuan's not really about bolting new stuff on though | 02:05 |
| gnarface | it's just about preserving the way debian was working before systemd broke it | 02:05 |
| gnarface | i think you probably want ufw? | 02:05 |
| gnarface | or maybe uruk or something like that | 02:06 |
| gnarface | serious, look at the output of "apt-cache search firewall" line-by-line and see if anything looks familiar or at least promising | 02:07 |
| bootdevplz | raid mirror sda+sdb, few times was booted with just sda attached. how to resync them, assuming correct data is on sda? it never finished sync since RAID creation. | 02:24 |
| bootdevplz | just worked with --re-add. allright all turned out FINE with this install of Devuan. | 02:33 |
| mystified1234 | Hey Guys, Please share your thoughts. I'm at the final stages of a server install. I've now been asked to pick my init. I'm not much of a techie, never been one for SysD, thus why I'm here at devuan. my desktop os of choice is Redcore linux a gentoo child. it uses openRc, I've toyed with runit but not long on void & artix. I've not really used SystemV, what do you guys suggest for a server not a DE? | 03:02 |
| djph | sysv is "fine" ... or just pic kwhat you know | 03:02 |
| mystified1234 | time to learn somet6hing new. well at least I can be pain here @ #devuan irc | 03:03 |
| n4dir | as far i can see with runit you can't be sure what gets "controlled" by runit in /etc/ or by sv; and what gets conntrolled by /etc/init.d. At least i can't figure it out | 03:04 |
| n4dir | it doesn't bother me much, but it is a bit annyoing first having to search for where/how it gets controlled at all. | 03:04 |
| n4dir | with sysv to me it is pretty clear | 03:05 |
| n4dir | not sure if i used openrc with devuan, i sure don't remember. - What djph is probably what i agree with: just what you are comfortable with | 03:05 |
| KZSAZO | just noticed i have an empty "sources.list~" file inside /etc/apt/ and i've never seen that before, is this normal? i updated from chimaera today and had to update /etc/apt/sources.list so i'm wondering if it's a file i created by mistake or if it was created during the upgrade process | 03:10 |
| gnarface | KZSAZO: my guess is it's most likely a backup of the previous version of the file created by your text editor (emacs and mg do this by default) | 03:34 |
| KZSAZO | i use nano and vim, i don't remember this being the default behavior for those editors | 03:38 |
| gnarface | it wasn't last i checked either, but anything's possible.. | 03:39 |
| n4dir | if vim closes "by accident", say you close the terminal-emulator while vim is running, it will make a backup (per default) | 03:40 |
| KZSAZO | n4dir: oh! my power went out earlier today, that must have been it | 03:41 |
| KZSAZO | i had /etc/apt/sources.list open in vim before it went out i'm pretty sure | 03:41 |
| n4dir | glad i remember. It happened to me perhaps 2 or 3 times, and i was quite confused. Just deleted the backup, and forgot about it (until you asked= | 03:41 |
| n4dir | well, first i remembered that some distros/OSes have vim per default configured to do backups automatically. But not devuan, as far i can tell | 03:43 |
| mystified1234 | with what command do i look to find this firmware, "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin for module tg3". Ive tried searching with apt search & apt-cache , it's not locating any of these files. It's an old apple macmini so it's the old broadcom drivers. | 04:16 |
| n4dir | try "apt-file search <yada-yada>", apt-file needs first to be installed and updated | 04:18 |
| n4dir | probably "apt-file update", you will get the info while installing it | 04:18 |
| n4dir | mystified1234: is it a powerpc mac mini? | 04:20 |
| gnarface | my google searches suggest it's firmware-linux-nonfree | 04:22 |
| mystified1234 | not power pc, intel 2011 I7-2nd gen | 04:25 |
| n4dir | https://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel Perhaps it has the info you need | 04:26 |
| n4dir | at forums.debian.net there have been many threads about "mac" too. iirc | 04:26 |
| mystified1234 | Broadcom Inc. and subsidiaries BCM4331 802.11a/b/g/n | 04:26 |
| mystified1234 | thanks | 04:27 |
| * n4dir had his battles with powerpc | 04:32 | |
| fluffywolf | don't forget firmware has been moved out of the main repos as of daedalus. | 04:37 |
| mystified1234 | hey guys can you help out wlan stays down whenever i try ip link set dev wlan0 up. "wlan0: state DOWN" the drivers are working Broadcom. subsidiaries BCM4331 Kernel modules: bcma | 08:57 |
| gour | morning | 08:57 |
| mystified1234 | If run rfkill list then rfkill unblock | 08:58 |
| mystified1234 | hi gour, good evening were I am | 08:58 |
| gour | just installed daedalus on my old (lenovo e125) netbook | 08:58 |
| gour | it looks beautiful and it is very slim 😄 | 08:59 |
| gour | my main machine has siduction, but i'm considering to try devuan (again) | 08:59 |
| gour | in the past had some issues with setting the default sound card and problems with viber which i regularly need with some other prop. apps | 09:00 |
| gour | therefore, i wonder if i could possibly avoid those issues by using flatpak for those? | 09:01 |
| mystified1234 | I recommend steering away from flatpaks & snap etc. | 09:01 |
| mystified1234 | what DE are you running | 09:01 |
| gour | also, wonder why installer did not install linux-firmware for my old amd card to boot into proper resolution? | 09:01 |
| gour | mystified1234: well, i've regular need for viber/zoom and (very rarely) for some skype calls. do you believe that native packages are behaving better? | 09:03 |
| * gour is running xfce | 09:03 | |
| mystified1234 | what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list daedalus-updates main non-free-firmware contrib | 09:03 |
| mystified1234 | check the contrib, it's from here that you can find old drivers. | 09:04 |
| gour | after install i've added 'contrib' and 'non-free' and manually installed firmware-linux-nonfree | 09:05 |
| mystified1234 | I've just installe to an mac mini 2011 | 09:05 |
| mystified1234 | I've managed to install the old broadcom drivers that were in legacy | 09:06 |
| gour | daedalus-update line is ok | 09:06 |
| mystified1234 | these should be the same on all lines | 09:06 |
| mystified1234 | main non-free-firmware contrib | 09:07 |
| gour | i like siduction's support for btrfs+snapper, but i believe that with backports i'd be fine with those few apps i want in more fresh state. with that i could avoid the need for tinkering/updating my system constantly and hopefully have more stable experience | 09:08 |
| mystified1234 | I must go, goodnight. Food is waiting! | 09:09 |
| bootdevplz | how to have working swap on encryption? | 13:01 |
| bootdevplz | the /etc/crypttab contains proper entry for md1_crypt on /dev/md1 but running crypddisk-start md1_crypt doesn't do anything. no error | 13:02 |
| bootdevplz | it is NOT creating the /dev/mapper/md1_crypt | 13:02 |
| bootdevplz | oh. nevermind. it is created. | 13:02 |
| bootdevplz | general questions about debian/linux, on Devuan, are ok here? how do you "protect system" in general, such as some tripwire, rootkit scanners and such | 13:27 |
| fsmithred | I hide behind my router and use noscript in my browser. | 13:33 |
| fsmithred | occasionally run rkhunter or chkrootkit | 13:33 |
| fsmithred | never found anything for real with those | 13:33 |
| fsmithred | and on boxes that have ssh open, I use auth keys. | 13:34 |
| fsmithred | afk | 13:35 |
| bootdevplz | how about apparmor, selinux? | 13:35 |
| fsmithred | No apparmor or selinux, and also no worry about local bad actors. | 14:05 |
| jauser | hi all, just one question, is or was acetoneiso removed from repo, using live | 18:31 |
| gnarface | jauser: check for yourself at pkginfo.devuan.org | 18:31 |
| jauser | ty | 18:31 |
| gnarface | looks like yes though | 18:32 |
| jauser | oh, guess i boinked up, using pkgmaster.devuan.org not deb.devuan.org | 18:32 |
| gnarface | but just from daedalus | 18:32 |
| gnarface | it must not have made the freeze but they put it right back in | 18:32 |
| gnarface | pkgmaster should have all the same stuff as the other repos, but they just ask everyone not to use it to save bandwidth | 18:33 |
| jauser | oh, noted | 18:34 |
| jauser | another one, is there any plan or an idea of putting douane in as a package | 18:35 |
| gnarface | never heard of it, but that's probably a question for debian | 18:37 |
| gnarface | around here, they don't really change the packages except as a last resort | 18:38 |
| gnarface | the best way to get a package into devuan, is to get it into debian | 18:38 |
| gnarface | (without depending on systemd) | 18:38 |
| jauser | :) | 18:41 |
| jauser | theres opensnitch though, so that something, its just nice to have something that blocks on a per program basis | 18:42 |
| jauser | ty | 18:42 |
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