| gnarface | so, maybe you will be lucky and have a phone supported by ... one of them at least | 00:00 |
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| gnarface | then you can just run any sort of file sharing client or host | 00:02 |
| AlexLikeRock | i need sync PC and cellphones, but dropx box , just letme add 1 o 2 devices, thats its stupid | 00:02 |
| gnarface | yea, if you're self-hosting then you no longer have arbitrary restrictions set by others | 00:03 |
| gnarface | you could just backup everything with tar + ssh | 00:04 |
| gnarface | which may be primitive but also is quite reliable | 00:05 |
| AlexLikeRock | i found MediaFire :-> | 00:24 |
| drizzt | Hi all | 20:39 |
| golinux | If you have a question, just ask. :) | 20:40 |
| drizzt | just ran in a (very) strange package : opensysusers | 20:41 |
| drizzt | which has it's config files in ... /usr/lib !!! | 20:41 |
| drizzt | (/usr/lib/sysusers.d) | 20:42 |
| drizzt | and cron depends on it (through cron-daemon-common which depends on systemd-sysusers which is replaced by opensysusers) | 20:43 |
| drizzt | s/replaced/provided/ | 20:43 |
| gnarface | which release are you seeing that in? | 20:44 |
| gnarface | in daedalus i'm only seeing cron-daemon-common depending on adduser | 20:45 |
| drizzt | ceres | 20:45 |
| golinux | If you play with 'unstable' expect weirdness . . . | 20:47 |
| drizzt | I did not want to have a daemon creating users at each startup, so I wanted to check the config, and ... it was nowhere in /etc ... | 20:47 |
| drizzt | golinux: I'm expecting it, but I think it's also something that needs to be reported | 20:47 |
| gnarface | yea, that's probably something someone here should be keeping an eye on... though hopefully it won't be an issue for stable any time soon | 20:48 |
| drizzt | I know how to change it on my side, but I think there's a mistake in the packaging, and even that cron should not depend on this | 20:49 |
| gnarface | unfortunately all you can do at this stage is file a bug with debian about it | 20:57 |
| gnarface | (and i don't disagree but i'd also recommend you don't hold your breath for a fix) | 20:58 |
| gnarface | (in fact, any response you get is almost guaranteed to be hostile) | 20:58 |
| drizzt | that's why I'm reporting here, not to debian | 21:08 |
| drizzt | I don't care anymore about debian, spent too much time and money on the project for the outcome | 21:09 |
| brocashelm | debian had lost its way | 21:10 |
| brocashelm | i just use devuan and salix (slackware) nowadays | 21:10 |
| golinux | drizzt: You will need to file the bug upstream first. | 21:10 |
| drizzt | got devuan on so many systems, from servers to very small embeded ones :) | 21:11 |
| golinux | If that fails, perhaps you would like to fork it for Devuan? | 21:11 |
| drizzt | golinux: when you mean upstrem, you mean debian ? or cron maintainer ? | 21:12 |
| brocashelm | ceres has always been fine IME, but it's more "unstable" in that it's always updating | 21:12 |
| brocashelm | not so much "crashes randomly often" (although had some close calls due to bad packages) | 21:12 |
| golinux | drizzt: Usually Debian which is our upstream. | 21:13 |
| brocashelm | but i would only recommend it if you want to help the next release of devuan | 21:13 |
| brocashelm | otherwise, use a proper rolling distro | 21:13 |
| drizzt | golinux: yep, I also have to take back my own package (lpctools) which has been abandonned by the debian dev I paid to package it | 21:15 |
| drizzt | for the "fork" part | 21:15 |
| drizzt | OK for the bug report | 21:15 |
| drizzt | brocashelm: been using sid since 2004 or so, and ceres since the begining of devuan | 21:16 |
| drizzt | really stable from my point of view, and allows to participate in the development of the system (or try to) | 21:17 |
| brocashelm | drizzt: cool, i used it for the past two years starting with beowulf as stable and liked the experience, but now i've returned to stable (daedalus; dropped to testing during the freeze because i hate reinstalling and reconfiging everything) | 21:18 |
| brocashelm | it's not a terrible option if you know your system well and can fix the issues right away | 21:18 |
| brocashelm | i'm fine with backports for now | 21:19 |
| brocashelm | just FYI: there will be even more systemd as of debian 13 trixie | 21:19 |
| brocashelm | so helping test ceres/experimental (devuan) is very important and appreciated | 21:19 |
| drizzt | I'm quite at ease with the system (I'm creating custom embedded systems and custom installs for many targets) so I think I should do as much as possible to test/report problems when possible. | 21:24 |
| * golinux has been on the phone . . . | 21:32 | |
| drizzt | glad to notice you're human :) | 21:33 |
| golinux | Well, drizzt . . . happy that you wandered in! | 21:33 |
| golinux | Not a cell phone either. | 21:33 |
| golinux | Seems you have a good grasp of the problem and the skills needed to get around them. | 21:36 |
| drizzt | well, the config files in /usr/lib are from the cron-daemon-common package, though opensysusers also has the "/usr/lib/sysusers.d" in the package, but empty | 21:51 |
| drizzt | ... the FHS seems to be unknown to so many package maintainers ... | 22:10 |
| drizzt | makes me cry .... | 22:10 |
| Natehiggers | Fuck niggers | 22:12 |
| Natehiggers | And kikes | 22:13 |
| drizzt | seems like they did not notice there was a "/usr/share" directory ... maybe they think it's to share content with hother hosts on the network ? | 22:13 |
| drizzt | bug report sent for the config files in /usr/lib/ | 22:31 |
| drizzt | though this is a much bigger problem, there's too many text files there :( | 22:35 |
| drizzt | on my side, I now have a cron-daemon-common package which does not depend on opensysusers and does not place conf files in /usr/lib ... but that's the visible part of the iceberg .... | 22:36 |
| drizzt | there's so much of the systems that needs re-packaging and so little time to be spent on it :( | 22:37 |
| drizzt | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1055613 | 22:39 |
| drizzt | the dependency to opensysusers has already been reported as dependency problem to systemd | 22:40 |
| golinux | Thank you! | 22:44 |
| drizzt | You got my mail if need be in the future :) | 22:45 |
| drizzt | May provide time or money or both, depending on what's going on on my side :) | 22:45 |
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