| gnarface | mason: well, they don't, "officially," though now calling it unofficial seems somewhat inaccurate | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| gnarface | there's been a devuan channel there probably longer than there has been one here, and there's probably others like it scattered all over the place | 00:00 |
| mason | Lately I think I'm in more OFTC channels than Libera, so it'll be useful being there I suspect. | 00:00 |
| golinux | I understand is is a non-channel of less than 10 | 00:02 |
| golinux | But still a loose canon. IIUC joerg and gnarface now have ops there and the header is sending them to officual Devuan sources. | 00:03 |
| golinux | I have never been on OFTC. | 00:04 |
| mason | Almost all the Debian-related channels are there, with just a relatively minimal presence here. | 00:04 |
| mason | (And yeah, nine there now, including me.) | 00:05 |
| joerg | we been in this discussion a 2 years ago, it doesn't matter who else is where, Devuan is on libera. Period | 00:07 |
| mason | joerg: If that's case, I think the OFTC folk can turn the channel off there and prevent joins. | 00:08 |
| mason | If you want, I can find out what's required to do so. | 00:09 |
| joerg | *I* can do this | 00:10 |
| joerg | right here and now | 00:10 |
| mason | I have no history, hence no opinion beyond being willing to lurk there providing the occasional bit of tech support, so I'll not contribute to the current conversation after this very line. | 00:12 |
| golinux | mason: Thanks for your offer to monitor . . . | 00:28 |
| mason | golinux: As I understand it, it's all resolved now. | 00:28 |
| _ds_ | Looks like dev1galaxy.org isn't responding via IPv6… | 02:51 |
| epony | seti@galaxy | 02:51 |
| _ds_ | Definitely fine via IPv4 (checked on my phone while watching tcpdump output), but my desktop browser is preferring IPv6. | 02:53 |
| Xenguy | Thanks <_ds_> , I've passed that along | 02:55 |
| CEP-stafe | Greetings, I need to install a realteck alc3236 sound card. any ideas? | 04:00 |
| gnarface | CEP-stafe: usually soundcards don't need extra work, what's going wrong? | 04:12 |
| gnarface | sorry, that's not literally true. what i mean is usually the basic functionality is installed by default because it's part of the kernel... there's a lot that can go wrong and they often are extra work to completely fix | 04:13 |
| gnarface | but start with "speaker-test -c 2 -t wav" and see if that works, if it doesn't, tell us the error you get | 04:14 |
| CEP-stafe | He doesn't recognize me... | 04:17 |
| CEP-stafe | lspci, lists it, but no sound appears. Devuan daedalus, asus notebook x555la | 04:17 |
| CEP-stafe | oki | 04:22 |
| gnarface | CEP-stafe: can you be more specific? does it say command not found, or permission denied? | 04:49 |
| gnarface | the most likely answer is that either you're missing the alsa-utils package or you're not in the audio group | 04:50 |
| gnarface | it could be both though | 04:50 |
| gnarface | if it says it's working but there's just no sound, you just need to unmute it in alsamixer or pavucontrol | 04:52 |
| gnarface | CEP-stafe: there's also some slight chance you are missing a firmware package from non-free-firmware but that's rare for realtek soundcards | 06:12 |
| gnarface | if that were the case though, it'd be easy to check by running "dmesg |grep firmware" as root | 06:13 |
| gnarface | (or with sudo) | 06:13 |
| systemdlete | I've been playing aisleriot, but frankly, I like pysolfc much better. Any chance it will be added to the repos for daedalus (it has been in previous releases) | 08:02 |
| systemdlete | ? | 08:02 |
| JackFrost | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1008708 | 08:06 |
| systemdlete | JackFrost, I wonder if this is related (even distantly) with other (security) problems in python that I saw reported recently | 08:07 |
| systemdlete | (and thanks for the link) | 08:08 |
| JackFrost | Sure thing. But, don't bet on it happening. | 08:19 |
| systemdlete | you mean don't hope for a fix? | 08:20 |
| JackFrost | Look when it was filed, and *any* progress whatsoever? | 08:21 |
| systemdlete | It's not exactly the end of the world. But I do see what you mean. | 08:33 |
| JackFrost | But yeah a bummer because that's less GNOME-y than the other. | 08:34 |
| systemdlete | since it is just python, I suppose we can download the newest version and try it. | 08:36 |
| systemdlete | I'm supposing we have an adequately new version of python available on daedalus | 08:36 |
| djph | systemdlete: 3.11.2 here | 11:07 |
| systemdlete | does that mean you are running it now? | 11:07 |
| systemdlete | how did you get it? devuan repos or from pysolfc's site? | 11:07 |
| djph | yeh, I' have daedalus , just whatever's in the repos... | 11:08 |
| systemdlete | ??? | 11:08 |
| djph | *whatever python version is in the repos | 11:08 |
| systemdlete | I mean, what version of pysolfc and where did you get it? | 11:08 |
| systemdlete | oh | 11:08 |
| systemdlete | you are only talking about the python version | 11:09 |
| djph | eh, I must not have something .. you were asking about a version of python ... | 11:09 |
| systemdlete | well, I was also asing about pysolfc | 11:09 |
| systemdlete | the original question, that is. | 11:09 |
| systemdlete | so I forgot I mentioned the python version, yes, that's correct | 11:09 |
| systemdlete | the main thread was about pysolfc and why it wasn't available on daedalus, and that has been resolved. | 11:10 |
| systemdlete | pysolfc newest version crashes | 11:10 |
| systemdlete | which isn't much fun | 11:10 |
| arepus | Hi. Are there any tutorials on the systemd->sysv transformation? For example, how to implement RuntimeDirectory (properly) in the sysv script (at least). Optionally another systemd unit directives like ProtectHome, ProtectSystem, NoNewPrivileges, CapabilityBoundingSet | 12:50 |
| djph | arepus: those don't exist in sysvinit | 13:29 |
| djph | errr, as far as I'm aware anyway... | 13:29 |
| arepus | djph: since sysvinit is a pile of bash scripts written by package developers it is impossible to say that something exists or not in the sysvinit. For example a random example of approximate RuntimeDirectory is https://paste.debian.net/1301643/ | 15:06 |
| djph | arepus: yes, an "approximation" ... | 15:08 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | hello.. i have an old MBP that i like to dual boot macos with devuan and avoid systemd - as i look through this - https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/daedalus/install-devuan - i see that manual partitioning is out of scope for this simple installation ... how / where can i get the docs for manual partition or is there a way or | 15:17 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | img variant of devuan which has GUI with which i can partition my disk ? i had shrinked my macos partition and have the partition ready for devuan installation - not sure how manual partition on the console / CLI will take me through formatting partitions for /boot and /boot/efi and / partions ... | 15:17 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | any help on this appreciated | 15:17 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | i had no trouble setting up debian / fedora previously because they had GUI partition tools and i can ensure that i can avoid my macos partition.. | 15:18 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | is there any wiki / doc / even any video for manual partition walk through on devuan cli installer? | 15:19 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | i searched the community docs for manual partitioning links... | 15:21 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | sadly no clear search results - probably because most devuan users are pro users.. | 15:21 |
| debdog | moveMyOldMacBook: instead of choosing "Install" do "Expert Install" this will give you the option to manually do partitioning. it is self explanatory | 15:21 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | i see... | 15:22 |
| rrq | the installer uses "partman" which includes manual confgurations. I'm yet to find some help pages for it. | 15:22 |
| rrq | generally I thnk it's better to use the plain "Install" variant | 15:23 |
| rrq | unless you want to fiddle | 15:23 |
| rrq | when the partitioner pops up, you select the "manual" option | 15:23 |
| debdog | moveMyOldMacBook: https://dev.to/brandonwallace/how-to-install-debian-11-bullseye-expert-mode-minimal-install-10pd search for "detect the disks" to have a look at it | 15:24 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | looking.. | 15:24 |
| debdog | oh, I wasn't aware the plain Install offers this option as well. | 15:25 |
| n4dir | i'd say you can easily do the partitioning in the usual installer, but it is a bit of clicking back and forth. | 15:25 |
| n4dir | might want to look in a Virtual Machine how exactly this is done, assuming you have that option | 15:25 |
| n4dir | though i hardly had anything to do with uefi ever, so that might make things a bit more confusing | 15:26 |
| n4dir | if i recall correct: until you say: "yes, really do what i just told you to do" noting happens to the existing partitions, so it is rather safe to have a look how it works. | 15:27 |
| rrq | debdog: that "help page" does "guided partitioning", not "manual", doesn't it? | 15:28 |
| rrq | like the devuan install page moveMyOldMacBook mentioned, which however runs the "Install" process rather than "Expert Install" | 15:30 |
| debdog | rrq: it shows both | 15:31 |
| rrq | ok.. too many pictures for me :) | 15:31 |
| n4dir | it sure is much easier to do than to explain or show in pics | 15:32 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | you guys give me enough confidence... thanks :) | 15:33 |
| rrq | for a pre-partitioned disk, it has the "manual" route where one just identifies which partitions to use and optionally formatting options | 15:33 |
| debdog | rrq: you're right, but a tleast it shows how the manual one would look like | 15:33 |
| n4dir | moveMyOldMacBook: if it gets to confusing, just come back. Someone might have a look at it in qemu and give more detailed answers | 15:33 |
| n4dir | rrq: seems to be able to tell it from the top of his head though :-) | 15:34 |
| debdog | moveMyOldMacBook: most important select "K" (keep) for the UEFI and the OSX partions (instead of "F" (format)) | 15:35 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | i did debian installion via gui before 2years and i have vague memory of how smooth it went .. .recently i did a fedora installation where i had to manually set up 3 diff partitions like /boot and /boot/efi and / for installation ... so i have my fingers crossed ... as this is my first time with devuan and also Console or CLI based installation | 15:36 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | let me open that dev.to page on my phone as well... .. thanks debdog | 15:36 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | K - kthxbye ;) | 15:37 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | haha.... thanks for the document... i am gonna reboot and check.. | 15:37 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | while am going thru the dev.to document, i need a recommendation on separating /home, /var, and /tmp partitions. the total size i can allocate to gnu/linux is 50GB ... how much should i allocate for /home, /var and /tmp partitions ? | 15:51 |
| joerg | prolly you don't want sdeparate partitions at all for all those | 15:52 |
| debdog | don't seperate /var and /tmp | 15:52 |
| n4dir | i tend to put it all in one partition. If at all i'd seperate /home. | 15:52 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | hmm.. ok.. i see | 15:52 |
| debdog | with only 50 GB, don't seperate /home as well | 15:52 |
| n4dir | 50 Gigs, hmm, depends how much data you got, but 15 Gigs for / should be plenty, if you don't do anything unusual. | 15:52 |
| n4dir | in VM's i get away with 10 Gigs and less. | 15:53 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | "unusual" - hmm.. ok | 15:54 |
| n4dir | if you don't know which apps use unusual amount of disk-size, then you don't use them | 15:55 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | in my fedora installation i did use btrfs ... later my search results for optimizing for disk space led me to believe that XFS is best for low disk space on the file system selection.. should i choose that stick with btrs or the default ext4 ? | 15:55 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | like IDEs - i know intellij uses 2-3 GB ... | 15:56 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | wow - this image from the link looks as good as GUI that gives a pretty good confirmation on what is about to happen - https://res.cloudinary.com/practicaldev/image/fetch/s--fPxYhkUK--/c_limit%2Cf_auto%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_auto%2Cw_800/https://i.postimg.cc/15yZQfpy/42.png | 15:57 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | oh.. yeah.. there is primary and logical partioning type as well.. let me check on them quickly | 15:58 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | i currently have gparted installed on my current linux distro - fedora - i am not sure how or where i can i see what is the type of partition they are .. i just want to keep my current partitions as same and replace fedora with devuan | 16:01 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | also is that a problem that i dont have /swap - coz i dont plan on suspending to this SSD disk.. if i suspend in RAM which is 8 GB in total .. that is fine for me.. | 16:03 |
| n4dir | if it will become a problem you could always add a swap file later. | 16:03 |
| n4dir | most if not all will recommend to do add swap though, if i observer such discussions correct | 16:05 |
| debdog | since internet browser can be terrible memory hogs, some kind of swap is recommended | 16:11 |
| n4dir | i pretty much never see swap being used, well: i see it never, but don't look that often, but i don't open 80 tabs in a webbrowser or such | 16:12 |
| golinux | I have multiple desktops running and 3 browsers open at all times so need plenty of swap | 16:15 |
| plasma41 | cousin_luigi: Looks pretty good. I'd recommend updating debhelper to compat level 13. Also, rather than overriding dh_installdirs in debian/rules, you can just list the directories to create in debian/voyage-util.dirs | 16:28 |
| cousin_luigi | plasma41: Oh right. | 16:31 |
| cousin_luigi | My trouble now is with the script itself, which has margin of improvement, to say the least. | 16:31 |
| cousin_luigi | plasma41: Like they told me in -dev, update-rc.d does not distinguish start from stop anymore and reads them as "default". So, which one will be taken if one passes two as per https://gitlab.com/lbaldoni/voyage-util/-/blob/main/debian/rules?ref_type=heads#L15 ? | 16:32 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | n4dir and debdog - yes you are right..most discussions recommend swap which is 2x the RAM.. in may case that is 16GB of disk space.. and since i have only 50GB of disk space for all the linux things .. having 16GB swap is a bit too much.. right? | 16:33 |
| n4dir | moveMyOldMacBook: i usually, these days, just use whatever the installer chooses. If i were you i'd just not create it, and if that gives problems, then create a swap file later. | 16:34 |
| cousin_luigi | plasma41: Perhaps I should run debuild with the verbose option enabled | 16:34 |
| n4dir | Or make a minimal swap now. moveMyOldMacBook But, i tried to stress it, i don't think too much about such. | 16:35 |
| n4dir | with 50 Gigs i for one could use any Gig i have at hand for other things than swap | 16:35 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | wow.. i just read this and had a chuckle - """"" Use the DVD *_-desktop.iso (4 GB) if there is no network available and/or a need for multiple offline installations. The image contains several desktop choices and additional software options. LXQt and KDE are only available on DVD. | 16:36 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | Please note that the graphical install option is no longer available due to size constraints. """""" .. if multiple DEs can be packed am sure a GUI can be packed too.. given most pen drive USB available these days are at least 8 GB which are cheap in price as wel | 16:36 |
| n4dir | moveMyOldMacBook: you mentioned an IDE, i don't know about them, relating to swap | 16:36 |
| unixman_home | Howdy, folks. I am still on Devuan Chimaera with MATE on my Intel NUC desktop and have noticed over the past few months that as I leave Devuan up and running Xorg continues to slowly consume more and more memory. It will do this until the system starts swapping constantly to do anything, which then forces me to log out of X to clear the RAM. I have a FreeBSD box here also running Xorg and MATE that does not exhibit this problem. Has | 16:39 |
| unixman_home | anyone else here experienced this with Xorg on Devuan? | 16:39 |
| unixman_home | Hints on diagnosing and fixing this are welcome. | 16:39 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | i am choosing 4GB desktop installer and probably go with mate or gnome ...just in case my ethernet driver is not recognized for netinst...and for swap i'll agree with installer says - if it doesnt ask for swap, i'd choose 1 GB swap, if it suggests >2 GB for swap space.. i'll opt for only 2GB swap.. not more than that | 16:40 |
| plasma41 | cousin_luigi: I'm not well versed on the operation of update-rc.d, so I defer to whatever the update-rc.d(8) manpage says. | 16:41 |
| cousin_luigi | Sounds sensible. | 16:42 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | any suggestions on chooisng the partition type .. i cannot see my current partition type on gparted .. i have 5 partitions on my disk - 2 - for apple and 3 for linux - /boot - 1 GB, /boot/efi - 128 MB, / - 50GB... how to identify if these are logical type or primary type?? | 16:42 |
| debdog | moveMyOldMacBook: the ones that are inside the "extended" file system are logical ones. | 16:46 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | unixman_home - sounds for garbage collection isnt working well in x11.. just curious, is this the same behaviour on wayland if you had tried on wayland? ... anyway this error would not appear on servers as they usually don't have GUI running a long time... but on desktop running a GUI for long time is a corner case which is why troubleshooting | 16:46 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | this across internet searches will be bit difficult.. | 16:46 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | debdog - but how do i know what's extended on gparted i have only one ext4 FS for /boot.. so does that mean that is the only logical partition? | 16:47 |
| debdog | moveMyOldMacBook: it says "extended" | 16:48 |
| debdog | moveMyOldMacBook: https://gparted.org/screens/gparted-main-window.png | 16:50 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | ok.. so it should look like this if its extend - https://gparted.org/screenshots.php | 16:50 |
| debdog | right | 16:50 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | yah... i just figured.. thanks debdog - so i have nothing that's extended.. which means i am good with every thing on the primary partition.. thanks much again.. | 16:50 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | gparted has always been life saver ever since i started trying out linux... | 16:51 |
| n4dir | tell me about it | 16:52 |
| unixman_home | moveMyOldMacBook, thanks for the feedback. I do not use Wayland anywhere, yet. I don't run a GUI on the servers @work. ;) I'll post my question on the forum. | 16:54 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | The “expert install” allows user to opt out of firmware installation and a choice of alternate bootloader. A default install will provide firmware. - since i will have to choose this for manual partition... should i install firmware am not sure how this will be handled by macbook | 16:58 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | or should i opt out? | 16:59 |
| movingMacBook | Okies .. Fingere crossed | 17:04 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | A correction on the documentation is needed - https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/daedalus/install-devuan#images - in the verify the images section - | 17:15 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.asc - is suggested but the archives delivers the .txt.asc file - https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan .. so the right command is verify sums.txt.asc | 17:16 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | oh god ... | 17:25 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | i initiated this command - dd if=filename.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M && sync | 17:25 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | and then... | 17:25 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | and then i started to read the manual pages for dd.. only to find that bs=BYTES ... which means that 4 GB iso is being written at 1MB speed to the USB... | 17:27 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | i can cancel and reinstall at 512 as per man pages on dd... but do i have to reformat the disk ?? | 17:28 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | wow.. somethings are magical.. it completed at 12.5MB/s though.. | 17:29 |
| moveMyOldMacBook | ok.. thanks for the info debdog and n4 ... i am rebooting fedora now to install devuan.. hope to see you all from devuan .. | 17:32 |
| movingMacBook | Am on tha partion disks screen - i chose manual partion and pur evrrything on ad suggested andò let teh installerà work - it automagicslly put 1 GB on swap - n4dir - | 17:56 |
| movingMacBook | So u were right on swap - Now when i try to configure encrypted volumes i chose only the robot / partition - andò tge installerà suggested to encrypt swap as well | 17:58 |
| movingMacBook | Andò chose it top | 17:58 |
| movingMacBook | Bit i nave another question - when i installed fedora - it pushed me to have /boot and /boot/EFI out of encryption volumes - | 18:00 |
| movingMacBook | Bit the installer is nkt suggestung anything of such kind ? | 18:00 |
| movingMacBook | Now my question is how will system boot the boot loader if it is encrypted | 18:01 |
| movingMacBook | I must really put the /boot and /boot/EFI outsider the encrypted volumes right ? n4dir or debdog ?? | 18:02 |
| mason | movingMacBook: GRUB can deal with LUKS encryption, although I don't use that - I maintain an unencrypted /boot. But if you're feeling adventurous, you can have GRUB access an encrypted /boot. | 18:02 |
| mason | movingMacBook: Haven't reviewed this in depth, but there's https://cryptsetup-team.pages.debian.net/cryptsetup/encrypted-boot.html | 18:03 |
| mason | That notes a couple caveats that might make you prefer unencrypted /boot. | 18:03 |
| movingMacBook | I see - but whwre will GRUB sit ? - this is a macbook am trying yi dual boot and i dont wanna touch the mac boot loader EFI partition where GRUB might choose to go | 18:04 |
| mason | movingMacBook: For (U)EFI systems, GRUB lives on a VFAT-formatted EFI System Partition, and that cannot be encrypted. | 18:05 |
| movingMacBook | So then i must make a EFI and boot partition out of encrypted volumes | 18:06 |
| movingMacBook | OK - ive partioned the one needed for /boot/EFI - what is tge type i need to choose to boot? | 18:08 |
| movingMacBook | EFI system partion or reserved BIOS boot area ? From teh menu? | 18:09 |
| movingMacBook | Am unable to set linuxhfs+ partition type | 18:10 |
| movingMacBook | Coz it is not listed for this /boot/EFI | 18:10 |
| movingMacBook | and am unable to set mount point forma the partion to /boot/efi | 18:11 |
| movingMacBook | OK - this is complicated - am not gonna choose encryption lol | 18:13 |
| n4dir | if you want encrypted than the most comfortable way is to use lvm too, it gets done automatically. I ones wrote a how-to do it without lvm, the refracta forum should have it archived somewhere, but i sure forgot all the details | 18:16 |
| n4dir | you'd need to get a hand on fsmithred, ask him where the archives are, then search for it, shouldn't be too complicated, and the probably find out it won't help in your case | 18:17 |
| n4dir | i did quite some stuff when i still had hope ... :-) | 18:19 |
| movingMacBook | Was there any suggestions ad i went offline ad phone locked?? | 18:20 |
| n4dir | i kinda confirmed that if you want encryption it complicates things quite a bit, if you don't want to use lvm (which is the same as having to do the partitioning "manual" | 18:22 |
| n4dir | if you can live minus the encryption, i'd go for that | 18:23 |
| mason | movingMacBook: Reserved BIOS boot area is a partition type for booting a legacy bootloader using GPT partitioning. You probably don't care about that one. /boot/efi usually mounts your ESP, which is the unencrypted vfat. As for getting GRUB of any stripe to understand LUKS, I'd look at the caveats noted on the cryptsetup page I linked. If you follow the bug linked from there, it seems that GRUB has yet to | 18:23 |
| mason | be updated. | 18:23 |
| mason | That said, I'm AFK for a bit so I won't be able to respond further for a bit. | 18:24 |
| movingMacBook | I se | 18:24 |
| movingMacBook | Thanks @mason - apprecuate the help very much | 18:25 |
| movingMacBook | Finally i think i figured this out and was able to setup encryptiom and partition right ... And the base system is installing ... Hope this works | 18:33 |
| movingMacBook | is it just me who feels tgat GNOME gas become a bloat ? | 18:50 |
| n4dir | there are not many gnome users left, it seems. Many complain about it, for different reasons, one being the bloat. | 18:51 |
| movingMacBook | OK - am in a dilemma vere on install GRUB boot loader screen | 18:52 |
| movingMacBook | Tgere is a warnjng | 18:52 |
| movingMacBook | If installerà fails to detect anotger OS thatvalso depeends on callback | 18:53 |
| movingMacBook | Installing GRUB tgere will make that OS temporariky unbootable | 18:54 |
| movingMacBook | I acutuallty pur a sperate partition fot reserved BIOS boot are ad mentioned by mason | 18:55 |
| movingMacBook | should i force GRUB installation to EFI removable media path ?! | 18:55 |
| n4dir | you probably can add OS X to the grub menu later, after reboot, rather easily. Won't hurt do search the web how to add OS X to grub from linux. | 18:55 |
| movingMacBook | OK - i can do that | 18:56 |
| n4dir | don't complain i told you to. That is what i would do, but i am more the sledgehammer kinda guy. | 18:56 |
| movingMacBook | so now shoukd i install tge GRUB ? | 18:56 |
| n4dir | i sure had OS X and Linux dualboot (on a Mac) and also BSD and Linux. Both cases, pretty sure, grub was the bootloader | 18:57 |
| movingMacBook | Am noto gonna complain - i just font wanna messo up mac partition ans its boot up | 18:57 |
| movingMacBook | the current screen says the PC is configrued to bokt via EFI and Aldo says that may ne that coniguration will not work fror booting from hard drive | 18:58 |
| n4dir | yeah, better wait a bit. Perhaps mason will be back in a bit, or someone else with less sledgehammer approach. Good luck, am on my way to bed (looks good in general, as far i can tell from what you wrote until now) | 18:58 |
| movingMacBook | When i boot fedora GRUB did not figure out MacOS .. I had to manually choos to boot into MacOS or GRUB from the defualt Apple firmware or boot loader | 19:00 |
| fsmithred | movingMacBook, if you run efibootmgr in linux it will show you all the systems that have a bootloader in the efi partition, and it should allow you to change the boot order. | 19:02 |
| fsmithred | If you have two separate efi partitions, I don't really know what will happen. | 19:03 |
| fsmithred | Here's a good reference for efi booting: https://rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/index.html | 19:03 |
| movingMacBook | Hmm thanks | 19:04 |
| movingMacBook | OK - my mac partition andboot loader are safe | 19:12 |
| movingMacBook | Bit after reboot i can choode between grub, andò devuan | 19:12 |
| movingMacBook | on choosing devuan i get busy box initramf | 19:14 |
| movingMacBook | dropping to shell | 19:14 |
| movingMacBook | Alert /deve/mapper/sda5crpt does noto exist | 19:14 |
| fsmithred | is /boot on encrypted partition? | 19:14 |
| movingMacBook | nope | 19:14 |
| movingMacBook | I pur it outsider encryption | 19:14 |
| movingMacBook | put it outside encrypted parts and set it to mount point ad /boot | 19:15 |
| movingMacBook | how to reboot from initramfs screen | 19:16 |
| movingMacBook | Oh wait i fan search tgat | 19:16 |
| movingMacBook | Van" | 19:16 |
| fsmithred | can you post the output of 'fdisk -l' and 'blkid' to paste.debian.net? | 19:17 |
| movingMacBook | Sure one moment | 19:18 |
| movingMacBook | OK there is top much yo type let me gran a pic | 19:19 |
| movingMacBook | too# | 19:19 |
| fsmithred | ok | 19:19 |
| fsmithred | post it at transfer.sh | 19:20 |
| fsmithred | please | 19:20 |
| n4dir | movingMacBook: at least i would "fdisk -l > output_fdisk.txt" ; then pastebinit that. | 19:20 |
| movingMacBook | Lookjng up for transfer.sh | 19:21 |
| n4dir | there is more into it, redirecting error messages too, but if i can get away with redirecting the output without redirecting error messages too, i avoid having to search how to do that | 19:21 |
| movingMacBook | OK the transfer.sh pace isnt loadjng on my phone | 19:22 |
| fsmithred | or output to file like n4dir said and then you can send it to termbin.com with a simple command that gives you a short url | 19:22 |
| n4dir | ah, on the phone, i missed that part | 19:22 |
| movingMacBook | is transfer.sh a website to share pics ? | 19:22 |
| fsmithred | nc termbin.com 9999 < fdisk.txt | 19:22 |
| fsmithred | yeah, they're for pics and they don't require a lot of javascript to be allowed. | 19:23 |
| movingMacBook | While that is good - the page in itself isn't loading | 19:23 |
| movingMacBook | :( | 19:23 |
| n4dir | curl -F'file=@yourfile.png' https://0x0.st | 19:26 |
| n4dir | try that | 19:26 |
| n4dir | i got it scripted, that works, not sure if the command works just as well. | 19:26 |
| fsmithred | Here's a video showing the steps to create a single encrypted partition in debian-installer. Note that it took me four takes to get it right, even though I've done it many times. http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/misc/partition_encrypt-4.ogv | 19:27 |
| movingMacBook | wow | 19:27 |
| movingMacBook | Can't curl from phone | 19:28 |
| buZz | then use wget? :D | 19:28 |
| fsmithred | you could email it to me | 19:28 |
| movingMacBook | Gimme a moment | 19:29 |
| movingMacBook90 | https://postimg.cc/q62MhWSj | 19:45 |
| movingMacBook90 | this is fdisk -l | 19:45 |
| moveMacBook | I used USB instaer rescue mode and dropped into a shell | 19:56 |
| moveMacBook | On fdisk I see this | 19:57 |
| moveMacBook | https://i.postimg.cc/26PFtM7t/IMG-20231221-003035-833.jpg | 19:58 |
| moveMacBook | sda1 and sda2 are obvious from apple | 19:59 |
| moveMacBook | sda3 is what I napped to biosboot on installer screen | 20:00 |
| moveMacBook | and sda4 1GB for /boot unencrypt | 20:00 |
| moveMacBook | And sda5 for / and sda6 for swap and sda7for home as suggested by installer which I mapped for encryption | 20:01 |
| moveMacBook | Totally sure its grub installation that went wrong | 20:02 |
| moveMacBook | Rest things seems fine | 20:02 |
| moveMacBook | debdog any suggestions when u gt time - thanks | 20:02 |
| moveMacBook | sda4 is something I mapped to reserved bios boot area from partition type | 20:04 |
| debdog | moveMacBook: I've just started using GRUB (was forced to) and am not an expert. I'd use rescue mode to boot into the installed system (you have to know which parttion, of course – prolly sda5 or sda7) then start the GRUB conf process from there | 20:06 |
| debdog | if you select the wrong parttion nothing bad will happen, just an error message | 20:06 |
| moveMacBook | Yes I do know its sda5 for / thanks | 20:07 |
| moveMacBook | I was thinking should I make sda4 into another efi and then reinstall grub | 20:08 |
| debdog | heh... tttttttt | 20:08 |
| debdog | yah... I avoid EFI if possible. so not an expert there either | 20:09 |
| fsmithred | movingMacBook, what's on each of the two efi partitions you have? | 20:29 |
| fsmithred | Please don't make another | 20:30 |
| movingMacBook | actually my network broke and I wasn't sure when it will get back | 20:30 |
| movingMacBook | So instead of waiting on it - I chose to reinstall without any encryption | 20:30 |
| movingMacBook | Sorry - I guess its too late now to debug | 20:31 |
| movingMacBook | But my network came up early that's unexpected | 20:31 |
| fsmithred | Is it working now? | 20:31 |
| movingMacBook | installing devuan desktop environment now | 20:32 |
| movingMacBook | the twist is grub installation section | 20:32 |
| movingMacBook | most other things worked fine | 20:33 |
| movingMacBook | Now gdm3 vs slim selection | 20:33 |
| movingMacBook | I chose gnome flashback so gdm3 | 20:33 |
| movingMacBook | playing with DE is boring stuff these days - a stable machine is all one needs as one grows | 20:34 |
| movingMacBook | may be for beginners | 20:35 |
| fsmithred | gnome might not be the choice that requires the least amount of playing with | 20:35 |
| fsmithred | in devuan | 20:35 |
| movingMacBook | Hmm ...interesting I purposely unselected xfce from installation seems that's alsongettjng installed | 20:36 |
| fsmithred | But I've not used gnome in a decade or more | 20:36 |
| movingMacBook | I choose GNOME flashback and devuan DE only becoz standard gnome was too big | 20:36 |
| jonadab | My philosophy on desktop environments is that they should just supply what I actually need (basic window management, task list, panel full of launchers) and otherwise get out of my way and let me do whatever I want. I've settled on sawfish wm, MATE panel. | 20:37 |
| movingMacBook | I liked i3 on work machine and still prefer x11 - Wayland seems more buggy | 20:38 |
| movingMacBook | And a bit too much of resource hog | 20:38 |
| jonadab | 80% of what I do is in screen sessions anyway, and accessed in various Konsole windows. | 20:38 |
| movingMacBook | Sway on Wayland appealed to me for a bit | 20:38 |
| jonadab | I have not experimented with Wayland at all yet. Waiting for it to be closer to fully baked. | 20:39 |
| buZz | i did briefly and found it to be slower than xorg | 20:39 |
| jonadab | Huh. I thought its whole main talking point was being slimmed down and not as heavyweight as X11. | 20:40 |
| movingMacBook | On default fedora gnome always boots with Wayland and it gave experience with over 2GB ram usage after fresh install | 20:40 |
| buZz | havent seen that intent reflected in their produce :D | 20:40 |
| movingMacBook | Hmmn ... Sysvint or openrc or runit | 20:40 |
| fsmithred | sysvinit has the most support | 20:40 |
| jonadab | Whichever you have the most experience with, or sysvinit if you don't know the difference. | 20:41 |
| movingMacBook | after the baking a brick with encryption I always choose me the recommended things for devuan | 20:41 |
| movingMacBook | Now the interesting part grub installation | 20:42 |
| jonadab | The init system is another thing that should mostly just get out of the way. | 20:42 |
| jonadab | As long as it keeps the services running, it doesn't need really any more features than that. | 20:43 |
| movingMacBook | Totally agree - it wasn't the case with systemd - so I choose devuan | 20:44 |
| movingMacBook | I found devuan from https://distrochooser.de/ | 20:45 |
| movingMacBook | This was nice | 20:45 |
| movingMacBook | BTW should I force grub installation ? | 20:45 |
| movingMacBook | https://postimg.cc/gallery/pzyzCGF | 20:45 |
| movingMacBook | fsmithred - this is most important step for me | 20:46 |
| movingMacBook | I don't understand EFI removable media path!! | 20:47 |
| movingMacBook | does that mean from my USB drive ? | 20:47 |
| fsmithred | that's optional | 20:48 |
| movingMacBook | j think I chose yes for that the first time and that may have messed up | 20:49 |
| fsmithred | it means it will boot as if were a usb drive i.e. put the bootloader at EFI/BOOT (I think) | 20:49 |
| fsmithred | sometimes you need to do that if it won't boot the other way | 20:49 |
| movingMacBook | Boot success | 20:51 |
| movingMacBook | GNOME running | 20:51 |
| * jonadab hates EFI so very very much. | 20:51 | |
| fsmithred | cool! | 20:51 |
| movingMacBook | Thanks all | 20:51 |
| jonadab | I mean, having the limit of four partitions per physical disk lifted, is conceptually nice. Though not really that important. | 20:51 |
| fsmithred | yw, and enjoy devuan | 20:51 |
| jonadab | Every single other thing about EFI is terrible. | 20:52 |
| fsmithred | jonadab, you don't need efi to use gpt | 20:52 |
| movingMacBook | True | 20:52 |
| fsmithred | just need to make a bios_grub partition (ef02) at least 1MB and no filesystem | 20:52 |
| movingMacBook | But fediora force me to separate a /boot/efi out of encryption when it figured there's a diff OS along side during start of installer | 20:53 |
| jonadab | movingMacBook: I tried that distro chooser thing you linked; and it came up with Devuan as my first recommendation (followed by Gentoo and then Void). | 20:54 |
| fsmithred | I need to go outside for a bit before the sun goes down. Later... | 20:54 |
| movingMacBook | For Me opensuse came up as well then | 20:54 |
| movingMacBook | Ciao and thanks | 20:54 |
| jonadab | fsmithred: Oh? I was not aware that legacy BIOS firmware supported gpt. | 20:55 |
| fsmithred | grub just needs some extra space to deal with it | 20:56 |
| jonadab | Ah. | 20:56 |
| jonadab | Interesting. | 20:56 |
| jonadab | One of these years I'm going to look into open source firmware. | 20:57 |
| fsmithred | you and me both | 20:57 |
| fsmithred | I'm afraid to mess with the bios on an old thinkpad I've got | 20:58 |
| fsmithred | mess with meaning replace | 20:58 |
| fsmithred | bbl | 20:58 |
| jonadab | Yeah, it's risky to mess with the firmware on a working system. I once bricked a motherboard that way. | 20:59 |
| jonadab | Still don't know what I did wrong. | 20:59 |
| sfox | fsmithred, thinkpad bioses are meant to be messed with | 21:08 |
| sfox | just retain a backup of the stock bios because if you ever want to flash the embedded controller that can only be done through an undocumented method with oem firmware | 21:08 |
| CERAPIO | hello | 22:27 |
| CERAPIO | I still couldn't get the audio to work in Daedalus | 22:28 |
| CERAPIO | i am CEP o CEP-stafe | 22:29 |
| peterrooney | CERAPIO: what did you do after installing the realtek card, what did you expect would happen, and what did happen? | 22:34 |
| CERAPIO | peterrooney It is an Asus x555la laptop, onboard audio. I installed Daedalus from scratch and it does not recognize it. I installed some firmware, but still no audio devices | 22:44 |
| gnarface | CERAPIO: i asked some follow up questions yesterday but you never answered | 22:46 |
| gnarface | also, you said it shows up in lspci which suggests your initial diagnosis is inaccurate | 22:47 |
| gnarface | there's several things that could still be the issue, we need to check | 22:47 |
| debdog | (lspci -k) | 22:49 |
| gnarface | the first one was just that you need to clarify whether you get an error or not when you try to run "speaker-test -c 2 -t wav" | 22:49 |
| gnarface | you just said "he doesn't recognize me" which... could mean anything | 22:50 |
| CERAPIO | gnarface sory, full work | 22:58 |
| gnarface | CERAPIO: i assume you mean you're at work and too busy to answer, that's fine. just find your scrollback later and post your answers or new questions here, i'll see it eventually. | 23:01 |
| CERAPIO | lspci -k: | 23:07 |
| CERAPIO | Audio device: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Audio Controller (rev 09) | 23:07 |
| CERAPIO | Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Broadwell-U Audio Controller | 23:07 |
| CERAPIO | Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel | 23:07 |
| CERAPIO | Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel | 23:07 |
| CERAPIO | and | 23:07 |
| CERAPIO | Audio device: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) | 23:08 |
| CERAPIO | Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Wildcat Point-LP High Definition Audio Controller | 23:08 |
| CERAPIO | Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel | 23:08 |
| CERAPIO | Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel | 23:08 |
| _ds_ | Hmm. Seems that that hw has two audio devices – I'd start by pastebinning the content of /proc/asound/cards | 23:10 |
| _ds_ | (ah, never mind, both listed) | 23:11 |
| _ds_ | (but still possibly useful) | 23:11 |
| _ds_ | – then again, probably just four lines; could paste here | 23:13 |
| gnarface | CERAPIO: what about the "speaker-test -c 2 -t wav" command test? can you clarify if you get an error or if it says it's working but is just quiet? | 23:13 |
| gnarface | it shows up named properly in lspci so at least the driver recognizes it, that's not a guarantee it will work but it's an important qualifier | 23:14 |
| _ds_ | Other things: check (via something such as alsamixer) that the audio isn't muted | 23:14 |
| CERAPIO | "speaker-test -c 2 -t wav" : | 23:14 |
| CERAPIO | Playback device is default | 23:14 |
| CERAPIO | Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 2 channels | 23:14 |
| CERAPIO | WAV file(s) | 23:14 |
| CERAPIO | Playback open error: -112,El `host' no está operativo | 23:14 |
| gnarface | hang on, translate.google.com to the rescue! | 23:16 |
| _ds_ | errno 112 == host is down | 23:16 |
| _ds_ | (EHOSTDOWN) | 23:16 |
| gnarface | sounds like a pulseaudio error? i don't recall seeing that before | 23:16 |
| gnarface | CERAPIO: try it like this: speaker-test -c 2 -t wav -D hw:0,0 | 23:17 |
| bb|hcb | _ds_: dev1galaxy.org ipv6 should be good now | 23:19 |
| _ds_ | You can substitute other numbers (see the card and device numbers listed by “aplay -l”, e.g. card 1 device 2 = hw:1,2) | 23:19 |
| CERAPIO | Sorry, I didn't see that it was in Spanish, I from Argentina | 23:19 |
| gnarface | yea, CERAPIO, if -D hw:0,0 doesn't work, try something like -D hw:1,0 next | 23:20 |
| _ds_ | bb|hcb, no obvious access problems from here ☺ | 23:20 |
| _ds_ | hw:1,0 may not exist – see “aplay -l” | 23:20 |
| bb|hcb | DNS propagation takes time... | 23:20 |
| gnarface | CERAPIO: yea, "aplay -l" should give you a list of options, though it might be hard to read at first... | 23:20 |
| _ds_ | Example: | 23:21 |
| _ds_ | card 1: HDMI [HDA ATI HDMI], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0] | 23:21 |
| _ds_ | ⇒ hw:1,3 | 23:21 |
| CERAPIO | Thanks, I'm following and writing the commands. Yes, I went to bed last night, I was very tired, a thousand apologies. | 23:21 |
| CERAPIO | pipewire, no pulse | 23:21 |
| gnarface | "host is down" might be a pipewire error too... bare alsa doesn't use networking | 23:23 |
| gnarface | this might be easier to debug if you stop pipewire first to make sure alsa is actually working, since either way pipewire will depend on it | 23:25 |
| _ds_ | gnarface, https://gist.githubusercontent.com/dsalt/bb6a03e56614b586ed01171c1ab82c14/raw/6012f7956e29be43d1a3935dd84713bce016199b/errno.py – feed that script errno values | 23:25 |
| _ds_ | (or, for that matter, names such as ENOENT) | 23:26 |
| CERAPIO | Playback device is hw:0,0 | 23:29 |
| CERAPIO | Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 2 channels | 23:29 |
| CERAPIO | WAV file(s) | 23:29 |
| CERAPIO | Playback open error: -2,the directory does not exist | 23:29 |
| gnarface | _ds_: isn't there something already in the distro that can do this? | 23:29 |
| _ds_ | gnarface, haven't looked; probably | 23:29 |
| gnarface | CERAPIO: that's a clue! try the other hw:X,Y ones | 23:30 |
| CERAPIO | aplay -l : | 23:31 |
| CERAPIO | **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** | 23:31 |
| CERAPIO | card 0: HDMI [HDA Intel HDMI], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0] | 23:31 |
| CERAPIO | Subdevices: 1/1 | 23:31 |
| CERAPIO | Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 | 23:31 |
| CERAPIO | card 0: HDMI [HDA Intel HDMI], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1] | 23:31 |
| CERAPIO | Subdevices: 1/1 | 23:31 |
| CERAPIO | Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 | 23:31 |
| CERAPIO | card 0: HDMI [HDA Intel HDMI], device 8: HDMI 2 [HDMI 2] | 23:31 |
| CERAPIO | Subdevices: 1/1 | 23:31 |
| CERAPIO | Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 | 23:31 |
| CERAPIO | card 1: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC3236 Analog [ALC3236 Analog] | 23:31 |
| CERAPIO | Subdevices: 1/1 | 23:31 |
| CERAPIO | Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 | 23:31 |
| gnarface | CERAPIO: yep, it needs to be hw:1,0 for sure... | 23:32 |
| _ds_ | Was just about to ask whether card 0 was HDMI – here, if it were, hw:0,0 wouldn't exist | 23:32 |
| _ds_ | Hopefully that's persistent across reboots. | 23:32 |
| _ds_ | Probably will be. | 23:33 |
| gnarface | CERAPIO: hw:1,0 is your speakers and headphones, hw:0,3 hw:0,7 and hw:0,8 are all HDMI outputs, so you'd only be using them if you're putting audio through to your display | 23:33 |
| CERAPIO | Excuse me, how do I stop pipewire? | 23:33 |
| gnarface | CERAPIO: uh... good question, but if it's not "/etc/init.d/pipewire stop" i don't know | 23:34 |
| _ds_ | Laptop… one HDMI socket, so only one of those HDMI outputs will work. You'll need to test to see which one. | 23:34 |
| gnarface | i'm not using pipewire anywhere | 23:34 |
| _ds_ | “invoke-rc.d pipewire stop” (as root), I expect | 23:34 |
| joerg | CERAPIO: please use a pastebin for pastes >3 lines | 23:34 |
| gnarface | joerg: do you happen to know how to temporarily disable pipwire? | 23:35 |
| joerg | sorry, no | 23:35 |
| CERAPIO | Playback device is hw:1,0 | 23:37 |
| CERAPIO | left and right sound is heard | 23:37 |
| gnarface | hooraaay! | 23:38 |
| gnarface | well that's progress | 23:38 |
| gnarface | now you just have to make that one the new default | 23:38 |
| CERAPIO | card 0 is hdmi, | 23:38 |
| gnarface | yea, that's correct | 23:39 |
| gnarface | the worst part is, we don't know for sure they'll stay in that order on reboot | 23:40 |
| gnarface | they probably will in this case, since they're both onboard pci bus devices... but stranger things have happened in alsa | 23:41 |
| CERAPIO | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/pipewire not found. | 23:41 |
| debdog | huh | 23:41 |
| CERAPIO | joerg sorry | 23:41 |
| gnarface | CERAPIO: don't worry, about stopping pipewire just yet, we already found the problem | 23:42 |
| gnarface | CERAPIO: someone just figured out how to fix this issue in another channel i was in, hang on i'll paste their explanation | 23:42 |
| gnarface | <Maeda> gnarface: OK problem solved with something not too tricky (in my opinion). First search for vendorID and productID using lsusb (vid:pid), then edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf and add this line `options snd-usb-audio index=1,0 vid=0x####,0x#### pid=0x####,0x####` where first vid si the one of the card to be in second (index 1), followed by vid of main card I want (index 0). Same logic for pid (productID). | 23:42 |
| _ds_ | FWIW, I have the following in /etc/modprobe.d/00-local.conf: | 23:43 |
| _ds_ | options snd-hda-intel index=1,-1 | 23:43 |
| _ds_ | That should renumber the HDMI audio as card 1, with the other card defaulting to 0 | 23:43 |
| gnarface | <Maeda> Do not foget the 0x before pid and vid. A reboot to apply to do of course! Thank you :) | 23:43 |
| gnarface | CERAPIO: note that in this example from Maeda he uses /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf but _ds_'s example uses /etc/modprobe.d/00-local.conf, which is probably a better idea so it won't get clobbered by package updates... but all that actually is required is that the file name ends with .conf | 23:44 |
| _ds_ | Doesn't have to be a reboot – as root, “modprobe -r snd-hda-intel; modprobe snd-hda-intel” may be sufficient to apply the new configuration | 23:44 |
| gnarface | CERAPIO: oh, and sorry, in Maeda's example, he's using snd-usb-audio but for you that would be snd-hda-intel | 23:44 |
| gnarface | and yea, a reboot isn't strictly necessary it's just the simplest way | 23:45 |
| gnarface | CERAPIO: _ds_'s approach is less specific but probably easier, try that first | 23:46 |
| CERAPIO | very good, now I try it, | 23:48 |
| * _ds_ sees no obvious equivalent to snd-usb-audio's vid & pid parameters in snd-hda-intel | 23:50 | |
| gnarface | oh? it's not something i've ever tested here, but i had assumed it would need to have them | 23:51 |
| gnarface | but snd-usb-audio would be the one that's expected to be re-used more commonly i guess | 23:51 |
| _ds_ | Might be ’id’, but it's not clear from modinfo output | 23:51 |
| gnarface | well, hopefully it won't come to it, but theoretically this could also be taken care of from ~/.asoundrc | 23:52 |
| gnarface | or even pavucontrol | 23:52 |
| gnarface | (i think someone told me pavucontrol is also used by pipewire, anyway) | 23:53 |
| _ds_ | Ah, just found something: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1405016#p1405016 | 23:53 |
| gnarface | it seemed like pipewire sometimes can be set up to depend on pulseaudio and sometimes not? i'm not clear on the whole picture | 23:53 |
| gnarface | _ds_: ah, yea that looks legit | 23:54 |
| _ds_ | In this case, swapping the index numbers over would help: “options snd-hda-intel id=PCH,HDMI index=0,1” | 23:54 |
| CERAPIO | no files in /etc/modprobe.d/ | 23:55 |
| _ds_ | Create one, then | 23:55 |
| gnarface | CERAPIO: just create your own, all that matters is it ends with .conf | 23:55 |
| gnarface | CERAPIO: it's better in fact to create your own in there, though weird that there aren't any already... | 23:55 |
| CERAPIO | and what do I write in the new file? | 23:59 |
| CERAPIO | (install from an image on the usb, netinstall) | 23:59 |
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