| al1r4d | O_o | 07:26 |
|---|---|---|
| al1r4d | refractainstaller is hard :/ | 07:26 |
| al1r4d | i failed 2x attemps | 07:26 |
| al1r4d | attempts | 07:26 |
| DelTomix | al1r4d: I guess you are probably already aware of this guide? https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/daedalus/live-gui (I haven't had a chance to try it myself) | 08:25 |
| al1r4d | DelTomix, i dont know is refractainstaller reffering to live gui too.. i mean minimal installer live iso | 09:12 |
| al1r4d | there is no gui | 09:12 |
| DelTomix | al1r4d: ah yes I guess the minimal-live is not gui, but as I understand it uses refracta for install? (ref section 4 here: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_daedalus/minimal-live/README_minimal-live.txt ) often console vs gui versions of installers have reasonably correlated dialogs so the information might be helpful. | 09:38 |
| fsmithred | allrad where is the install failing? | 09:48 |
| fsmithred | al1r4d, ^^^ | 09:49 |
| al1r4d | I dont know. I forget. | 11:52 |
| al1r4d | Let me try again later | 11:53 |
| fsmithred | al1r4d, to get a more verbose log, run 'refractainstaller -d' | 12:12 |
| fsmithred | There's a guide for the graphical live installer. Logic for the cli live installer is the same. https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/daedalus/live-gui | 12:14 |
| mathew | Hello. I have problems to install the nvidia-driver in devuan. The installation via apt returns "dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten des Paketes nvidia-persistenced (--configure): " Is this common? I have an GTX1080 card | 17:46 |
| mathew | Also: Happy New Year to all! | 17:47 |
| Freshman | hi. would you please translate it on english? | 17:47 |
| mathew | it says: "Error while processing the package nvidia-persistenced" | 17:50 |
| Freshman | ok. this is your first time installing driver? | 17:51 |
| fsmithred | mathew, you don't need nvidia-persistenced. Try 'apt --no-install-recommends install whatever' | 17:53 |
| mathew | Yes on devuan it is. But in Debian the installation is running fine. | 17:53 |
| mathew | fsmithred: i guessed that to, but if i install nvidia-persistenced i get the same error. | 17:54 |
| mathew | Here is i a little more output: http://paste.debian.net/1302799/ | 17:55 |
| fsmithred | Yes, I'm suggesting that you do not install that package. | 17:55 |
| mathew | that is an idea. i will try to install nvidia without that dependency but i assume it depends on it. | 17:56 |
| fsmithred | I forget what the exact reason is, but you are not the first to run into this. | 17:56 |
| fsmithred | you have to exclude Recommends, too. | 17:57 |
| fsmithred | that package is a Recommends for nvidia-driver | 17:57 |
| mathew | I will try this! Thank you! | 18:01 |
| Havelock27917 | Hello, i don't like recommends and suggests. Permanently configured that in /etc/apt/apt.conf: APT::Install-Recommends "0"; APT::Install-Suggests "0"; But perhaps i'm a minimalist. | 18:01 |
| fsmithred | Havelock27917, I also exclude Recommends as you do. I don't bother with Suggests because they don't get installed automatically. | 18:06 |
| fsmithred | If you use 'aptitude -s install...' it will show you the Recommends and you can add to the install list any that you want. | 18:07 |
| Freshman | recent upgrade made X unable to be loaded. only command promt after reboot | 18:23 |
| Freshman | with Ceres | 18:25 |
| n4dir | what happens if you run startx after login from TTY? | 18:28 |
| n4dir | will it start a display-manager, if you use one, or give an error | 18:28 |
| Freshman | new packages of kernel there (6.6.9), maybe they are the reason, maybe are not | 18:29 |
| n4dir | well, boot the old kernel | 18:30 |
| Freshman | blank screen | 18:30 |
| Freshman | everything freez and other consoles not open | 18:30 |
| n4dir | after startx? | 18:31 |
| Freshman | yep | 18:31 |
| jonadab | n4dir: Historically, startx would start whichever X session you'd logged into most recently, but I haven't used startx in at least ten years, so this info may be out of date. | 18:31 |
| Freshman | I use only "X" command | 18:31 |
| Freshman | I have a backup so loaded into it | 18:32 |
| n4dir | reboot, don't run startx, look in the log file, something like ~/.local/share/xorg/... | 18:32 |
| n4dir | jonadab: if i recall correct if, but only if, you have a display-manager installed, then it will start that one | 18:32 |
| n4dir | assuming it is also enabled | 18:32 |
| jonadab | What is the point of startx if you have a display manager? | 18:33 |
| n4dir | jonadab: and what you say happens if no display-manager is installed (or was like that, or at least similar to that) | 18:33 |
| Freshman | hope it will be fixed soon | 18:34 |
| n4dir | jonadab: if it is installed and failed to load, the running it might give error messages to troubleshoot the problem | 18:34 |
| jonadab | Ah. | 18:34 |
| jonadab | I see. | 18:34 |
| n4dir | jonadab: i mainly gave up on display-managers as back then i ran sid, and they all had problems during upgrades, and i never could decide which one to use, so i gave up completely | 18:35 |
| jonadab | I'm used to thinking of startx as an alternative to a display manager, for systems on which you *normally* want to use only regular text consoles, but occasionally you fire up X for a few minutes for some reason. | 18:35 |
| n4dir | jonadab: but that is way more than a decade ago, and as said on sid | 18:35 |
| jonadab | Yeah, I have never used sid. | 18:35 |
| n4dir | ain't worth it, in my humble opinion. And not much to it either. | 18:35 |
| jonadab | Before Devuan, I tended to be on oldstable most of the time. | 18:36 |
| n4dir | ha. Am on oldstable right now. lol | 18:36 |
| n4dir | and i sure see no difference to the laptop where i use testing. | 18:37 |
| Freshman | btw what is linux-kbuild-6.6.9? usually there were only headers and image | 18:37 |
| jonadab | More than once, I've done 3+ updates in succession, effectively skipping a couple of releases. | 18:37 |
| fsmithred | I just tried my ceres VM that was last upgraded a month ago, and I can't start X | 18:37 |
| n4dir | Freshman: you have a chipset for gui which needs some extra loving? like nvidia or such? | 18:37 |
| n4dir | oh, we are a step further. | 18:38 |
| n4dir | i'd try the older kernel now | 18:38 |
| Freshman | n4dir thank a lot | 18:39 |
| fsmithred | "unable to write authority file" and "cannot open log file" (in ~/.local/share) | 18:39 |
| fsmithred | kernel 6.5 something | 18:39 |
| Freshman | i have nvidia graphic on nouveau | 18:39 |
| fsmithred | intel here | 18:39 |
| n4dir | i had something like that ages ago and just deleted the according hidden config, something Magic-Cookie-X or such? let me look | 18:39 |
| fsmithred | oh | 18:39 |
| fsmithred | qemu here | 18:39 |
| n4dir | perhaps it was .Xauthority. don't recall well. | 18:40 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that's the file it can't write | 18:40 |
| n4dir | could try as root, if no display-manager, could try as another user | 18:40 |
| n4dir | fsmithred: did you delete it (Say mv to yada-backup) | 18:41 |
| fsmithred | no root account here | 18:41 |
| n4dir | ok, one step further, in .Xauthority is the Magic-Cokie i remembered | 18:41 |
| n4dir | fsmithred: what? | 18:41 |
| fsmithred | sudo only on this install | 18:41 |
| n4dir | i didn't know such was possible. Anyway: if root is able to startx, it won't tell us much more than that it works in general but not for the user. So not much gained | 18:42 |
| n4dir | i for one would quickly create a root password, but that is me | 18:43 |
| n4dir | if i recall it correct it was like that for me in the past, when i had that (or a similar) problem, "not able to write" | 18:45 |
| jonadab | I tend to assign a long (like, 40+ characters) root password and then never actually use it, because I can always sudo su if that is what I want. | 18:46 |
| jonadab | Maybe I'm being silly doing that, don't know. | 18:47 |
| n4dir | my root password is ... hold your breath ... root. refracta tradition style | 18:47 |
| jonadab | I once used a single-character root password, but that turned out to be a mistake. | 18:48 |
| n4dir | lol | 18:48 |
| Havelock27917 | Also locking root with a random (pwgen -s 32) password. Try not to install sudo and in case of needed access i "ssh root@localhost" with Nitrokey. | 18:50 |
| fsmithred | good call, n4dir - I moved .Xauthority and .Xauthority-n out of the way and startx now works. | 18:54 |
| n4dir | fsmithred: oh boy. I am surprised. Glad i rememberd it | 18:55 |
| Havelock27917 | Is there a raspberry port of Devuan currently available? | 18:55 |
| fsmithred | Freshman, what error message are you getting when you try to run startx? | 18:56 |
| jonadab | Havelock27917: The last time I saw someone ask that, the answer was no. It was months ago, however... | 18:57 |
| fsmithred | what happened to our rpi images? | 18:58 |
| jonadab | I am not aware of one having appeared ad interim, but I _wouldn't_ necessarily be aware of it immediately if one did. | 18:58 |
| Havelock27917 | Today tried bookworm today and almost went crazy :-) | 18:58 |
| fsmithred | no daedalus images here: https://arm-files.devuan.org/ | 18:58 |
| Havelock27917 | Changed to sysvinit, dropped Networkmanager and Modemmanager an that kind of stuff. | 18:59 |
| Havelock27917 | Ah, thanks for Link! I am on armhf because of Raspi Zero W. Will get it a try | 19:02 |
| fsmithred | I just posted a question in #devuan-arm to see if there are any daedalus images | 19:02 |
| cousin_luigi | warning: this system is not able to track process names longer than 15 characters, please use --exec instead of --name. <- I see this quite often, any suggestions? | 19:02 |
| fsmithred | follow their advice? | 19:03 |
| fsmithred | find the long process name | 19:03 |
| jonadab | There've been rpi builds since _beowulf_ ? Man, my information is further out of date than I realized. | 19:04 |
| jonadab | Also, time flies and I feel old now. | 19:04 |
| fsmithred | The fork happened almost 10 years ago. | 19:06 |
| jonadab | That helps, thanks. | 19:07 |
| jonadab | Next you're gonna tell me that gtk3 isn't new any more. | 19:08 |
| cousin_luigi | fsmithred: But who's complaining? start-stop-daemon? | 19:08 |
| jonadab | cousin_luigi: Where are you seeing the message? In something like top? In a logfile? | 19:10 |
| fsmithred | cousin_luigi, doesn't it say which service has "--name" in it? | 19:10 |
| cousin_luigi | jonadab: After launching kea-dhcp4-server | 19:10 |
| cousin_luigi | Not the only one though | 19:11 |
| rustyaxe | Havelock27917: yes, devuan runs on pi. | 19:12 |
| cousin_luigi | fsmithred: I see it uses name for stop and reload | 19:13 |
| cousin_luigi | Anyway this daemon has worse problems right now, such as not being able to bind to interfaces if not run as root | 19:13 |
| rustyaxe | Havelock27917: You can get what you need at https://arm-files.devuan.org/RaspberryPi%20Latest%20Builds/ | 19:14 |
| rustyaxe | or do it the way i do, partition the sd card and use debootstrap from a devuan system ;) | 19:15 |
| Havelock27917 | @rustyaxe: Just downloaded "rpi-2+3-devuan-daedalus-6.1.69-armhf-ext4-2024-01-02-0519.zip" | 19:20 |
| fsmithred | Thanks rustyaxe I didn't see the directory. | 19:20 |
| Freshman | how to send colored messages to the person without calling private chat? | 19:26 |
| n4dir | Freshman: you mean just highlight him here? if so : type the first letter(s) of his nickname, then use tab to autocomplete | 19:28 |
| jonadab | Oh, hmm, that could be what he meant too. I was thinking /msg (send a private message without doing /query for it). | 19:30 |
| jonadab | But I hadn't figured out how to word my reply yet. | 19:30 |
| fsmithred | I have to go out. Will be back in about 20 min. | 19:35 |
| Havelock27917 | Ok, raspbian daedalus runs on a raspi 2 and should do so on zero w. Anyone knowns default user/pw? pi/raspberry failed | 19:38 |
| Freshman | n4dir: thank you | 19:40 |
| n4dir | Freshman: ah, nice | 19:40 |
| Freshman | n4dir ^^ | 19:41 |
| Freshman | doesn't work | 19:41 |
| cousin_luigi | Ok, I think there's a bug in the supplied init file. Should I report it to debian? | 19:41 |
| n4dir | if i am in another channel i do see someone highlighted me here. You, that is, Freshman . Am using irssi IRC client | 19:42 |
| Freshman | n4dir thx. it is Android' Revolution | 19:43 |
| n4dir | Freshman: but you do see if others highlight you? In that case i did it | 19:43 |
| n4dir | in irssi i also get no changes if i hightlight you, only if someone else hightlights me. | 19:44 |
| Freshman | n4dir i do. and have notification when not in chat | 19:44 |
| n4dir | perhaps it is like that, i sure don't know | 19:45 |
| * n4dir wonders if Freschman knows the /me some words trick | 19:45 | |
| Freshman | n4dir pls let me know if that very msg is highlighted | 19:45 |
| n4dir | to me all messages are highlighted were you metion my name | 19:46 |
| * Freshman appreciates ^^ | 19:46 | |
| n4dir | ha. | 19:46 |
| n4dir | Freshman: we might, or might not, take this to #devuan-offtopic, as it isn't really related to #devuan questions. I don't mind, but some are a bit picky about offtopic here (if it is, i don't know) | 19:47 |
| Freshman | so i'm back to the system broken after upgrade | 19:48 |
| n4dir | oh, fsmithred said for him simply deleting ~/.Xauthority worked. Did you read that and did you try it? | 19:48 |
| n4dir | better mv it instead of rm it, but the idea is the same | 19:48 |
| Freshman | n4dir thx | 19:48 |
| Freshman | sorry but i just recently came to using IRC | 19:50 |
| n4dir | when i started using IRC i was confused day in and out. It sure takes a bit time to get used to, or that is how it was for me | 19:50 |
| Freshman | fsmithred which logs to look? | 19:50 |
| n4dir | your home /local/share/xorg/Xorg.*** | 19:51 |
| n4dir | i forgot the dot before local: .local | 19:51 |
| Freshman | loged in as root | 19:52 |
| Freshman | it is /var/log/Xorg.0.log and there's no only error line | 20:01 |
| Freshman | there's a lot data | 20:02 |
| Freshman | there are lines marked with red | 20:04 |
| Freshman | it has different versions number | 20:05 |
| golinux | <n4dir> your HOME /local/share/xorg/Xorg.*** | 20:07 |
| fsmithred | Freshman, did you try running startx as root or as user? | 20:10 |
| Freshman | fsmithred ok i tried there is an output | 20:16 |
| fsmithred | what does it say? | 20:19 |
| Freshman | [libseat/backend/seatd.c:64] Could not connect to socket /run/seatd.sock: no such file or directory | 20:21 |
| Freshman | [libseat/libseat.c:76] Backend 'seatd' failed to open seat, skipping | 20:23 |
| Freshman | that's all i think | 20:24 |
| Freshman | also smth abot lo internet happend just after upgrade | 20:25 |
| Nietz | are you talking about 'lo' the loopback interface? or did you mean to type "low"? | 20:26 |
| Freshman | yes the interface | 20:26 |
| Freshman | just a message in tray | 20:27 |
| Freshman | but the Internet was warking | 20:27 |
| n4dir | me being me i'd probably uninstall seatd. Or try to disable it with sysv-rc-conf, if sysv is used | 20:27 |
| Freshman | hm | 20:28 |
| Freshman | Internet is not working after reboot | 20:28 |
| Freshman | there's no signals from machine on router | 20:29 |
| Freshman | networking restart doesn't help | 20:30 |
| Freshman | n4dir i'll try | 20:30 |
| fsmithred | how do you normally get the interface up? network-manager? /etc/network/interfaces? | 20:31 |
| Freshman | automatic | 20:32 |
| fsmithred | automatic how? | 20:32 |
| fsmithred | what desktop are you using? | 20:32 |
| Freshman | kde | 20:32 |
| fsmithred | that uses nm-tray I think | 20:33 |
| fsmithred | oh, you don't have a desktop, do you? | 20:33 |
| fsmithred | duh | 20:33 |
| fsmithred | dhclient eth0 | 20:33 |
| fsmithred | as root | 20:33 |
| Freshman | hm seatd not installed | 20:34 |
| fsmithred | do you know what display manager you use? sddm or lightdm or other? | 20:35 |
| Freshman | but it's libseat1 yes | 20:35 |
| n4dir | aptitude why libseat1 | 20:35 |
| fsmithred | yeah, lots of libraries get installed even if you don't need them | 20:35 |
| Freshman | I tried different DM so many are installed | 20:36 |
| Freshman | but I set lightdm | 20:37 |
| fsmithred | ok | 20:37 |
| Freshman | not sure | 20:37 |
| fsmithred | dpkg-reconfigure lightdm | 20:37 |
| fsmithred | as root | 20:37 |
| Freshman | maybe KDE did it's own | 20:37 |
| fsmithred | if you want to set it again | 20:37 |
| fsmithred | yeah, sddm, and I've heard some complaints about it | 20:37 |
| fsmithred | but I don't have any details | 20:37 |
| n4dir | still there is that libseat thingy not able to connect to /run/seatd.sock | 20:37 |
| n4dir | no clue what it is about, but if that is the error message | 20:38 |
| Freshman | aptitude command not found | 20:38 |
| fsmithred | apt install aptitude --no-install-recommends | 20:38 |
| fsmithred | you can leave off the last part if you want all the extras | 20:39 |
| fsmithred | I have no idea what those extras are. I never install them. | 20:39 |
| n4dir | i mean, aptitude why will tell you why libseat is installed, but you might also apt-get remove -s it, like simulate, and if it will remove the kitchen sink, then don't do it | 20:39 |
| fsmithred | I thought seatd was only if you have no display manager | 20:40 |
| n4dir | i as said, am never that touchy. If such problems occur, i remove as if there was no tomorrow, until problem is fixed, and then reinstall what i uninstalled | 20:40 |
| fsmithred | lol | 20:40 |
| n4dir | but it is not a solution i'd recommend | 20:40 |
| fsmithred | make sure lightdm is set | 20:41 |
| fsmithred | remember that ceres VM I mentioned that I managed to get the desktop up? | 20:42 |
| fsmithred | I got no mouse. | 20:42 |
| n4dir | oh | 20:42 |
| fsmithred | Freshman, is your screen name a reflection of your linux experience level? | 20:42 |
| fsmithred | just checking... | 20:43 |
| Freshman | not quite exactly | 20:44 |
| Freshman | it's about being in Liberachat | 20:45 |
| fsmithred | oh, ok. | 20:45 |
| fsmithred | I'm just wondering if you'd do better with the stable release instead of ceres. | 20:45 |
| Freshman | removing libseat1 removes xorg with all it's stuff | 20:45 |
| fsmithred | yeah, leave that in. | 20:45 |
| fsmithred | lol | 20:45 |
| n4dir | that is strange as i don't have it installed. But i am on old-stable | 20:46 |
| n4dir | it was just an idea. | 20:46 |
| fsmithred | seatd is newer than beowulf | 20:46 |
| n4dir | Freshman: did you do someting like "apt-get check" yet ? | 20:46 |
| Freshman | nope | 20:47 |
| Freshman | how? | 20:47 |
| n4dir | fsmithred: i do find it in the repos though | 20:47 |
| Nietz | +1 for trying stable | 20:47 |
| n4dir | just that command, Freshman apt-get check | 20:47 |
| Nietz | have you booted to live media to check if it is a hardware issue? | 20:47 |
| n4dir | Freshman: i am just shooting some ideas how to get a bit closer to find the source of the problem. | 20:47 |
| Freshman | no hw issue | 20:48 |
| Nietz | I always like to verify hardware independent of an experimental distro first | 20:48 |
| Nietz | check the OSI model in order | 20:48 |
| Freshman | nothing special about apt-get check | 20:48 |
| n4dir | good | 20:48 |
| fsmithred | be sure you're using lightdm | 20:49 |
| n4dir | what did aptitude why libseat-dingens say? | 20:49 |
| Freshman | Nietz what you mean aboyt hw problems and how to check it? | 20:49 |
| fsmithred | boot a live iso to see what works or doesn't | 20:49 |
| fsmithred | is what Nietz said. | 20:49 |
| Freshman | aptitude command not found | 20:50 |
| fsmithred | dpkg-reconfigure lightdm | 20:50 |
| Nietz | So have you a bootable media? | 20:51 |
| n4dir | on a side note running a DE, and sure a big one like KDE, isn't the best option on Sid/Ceres. | 20:51 |
| n4dir | many packages means many problems might come | 20:51 |
| Freshman | it is sddm | 20:51 |
| Nietz | scratch my idea, I think n4dir has a great point | 20:52 |
| fsmithred | yes | 20:52 |
| Freshman | at least it's highlighted | 20:52 |
| fsmithred | but please at least try lightdm first | 20:52 |
| fsmithred | arrow key | 20:52 |
| fsmithred | maybe space bar to check a box | 20:53 |
| Freshman | I have a bootable media | 20:53 |
| Freshman | fsmitread done | 20:53 |
| Freshman | startx same errors | 20:53 |
| n4dir | the seatd thing? | 20:53 |
| fsmithred | ok, maybe do 'init 1' and the ctrl-d when it asks | 20:54 |
| fsmithred | shit | 20:54 |
| fsmithred | come back! | 20:54 |
| n4dir | oh | 20:55 |
| fsmithred | he set the display manager, but he tried startx instead of lightdm | 20:56 |
| Nietz | lolz totally done that before | 20:56 |
| fsmithred | and it would be good to make sure that sddm isn't still running | 20:56 |
| fsmithred | that's why I suggested init 1 | 20:56 |
| Nietz | could he also kill it from another vt? | 20:57 |
| Nietz | eg tty2? | 20:57 |
| n4dir | might have changed, but in the past startx would give you the gui of the display-manager | 20:58 |
| fsmithred | yeah, but that involves more commands | 20:58 |
| fsmithred | yes, but not the dm itself | 20:58 |
| Nietz | ^you're the best | 20:58 |
| fsmithred | no I'm not, but I get by. | 20:58 |
| Freshman | back | 21:01 |
| fsmithred | oh, and I was just gonna make a coup of coffee | 21:01 |
| fsmithred | did you reboot or something? | 21:01 |
| fsmithred | coup/cup | 21:01 |
| Freshman | charge is about 0% | 21:02 |
| Freshman | did i miss smth? | 21:02 |
| n4dir | besides us waiting for you: no :-) | 21:02 |
| fsmithred | coffee is brewing | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | Freshman, you need to make sure sddm is not running and start lightdm. | 21:05 |
| fsmithred | brain-dead easiest way to do that is reboot. | 21:05 |
| fsmithred | otherwise, 'init 1' and then ctrl-d | 21:05 |
| fsmithred | that will restart all services | 21:05 |
| cousin_luigi | Is debian slow in releasing fixes? | 21:09 |
| fsmithred | not usually. why? | 21:12 |
| Freshman | gonna reboot | 21:12 |
| Freshman | there was X problem already | 21:12 |
| Freshman | maybe a year ago | 21:12 |
| Freshman | was fixed through time | 21:13 |
| Freshman | same after reboot | 21:13 |
| Freshman | gonna make milk too^^ | 21:14 |
| fsmithred | ok, maybe install libseatd | 21:14 |
| fsmithred | ? | 21:14 |
| n4dir | earlier you laughed me saying i just remove anything which gets in my way. The approach is very raw, but in the time we spend i sure would have solved it (either really solved, or the system is so broken that i had reinstalled) | 21:16 |
| n4dir | not saying it is a good solution, but it still is an option. - But i am not sure if Freshman deleted .Xauthority yet | 21:17 |
| fsmithred | I don't know. That would have been worth a try. | 21:18 |
| n4dir | to me it is not that clear with the display-manager, i lost focus a bit, but i guess that "problem" is clear now (which on is running) | 21:18 |
| fsmithred | but he didn't get the same error message I got | 21:18 |
| n4dir | ah, right | 21:19 |
| Freshman | where does .Xauthority live | 21:23 |
| Freshman | ? | 21:23 |
| fsmithred | in your home dir | 21:23 |
| fsmithred | mv .Xauthority Desktop/ | 21:24 |
| fsmithred | oh | 21:24 |
| fsmithred | not good | 21:24 |
| fsmithred | you won't see it | 21:24 |
| fsmithred | mv .Xauthority Desktop/Xauthority | 21:24 |
| Freshman | done | 21:25 |
| Freshman | reboot? | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | no | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | restart lightme | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | lol | 21:25 |
| n4dir | lightme would be a great software name | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | service lightdm restart | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 21:25 |
| Freshman | done | 21:26 |
| fsmithred | And no offence meant, but you probably shouldn't be running unstable. | 21:26 |
| fsmithred | any better result? | 21:26 |
| Freshman | no gui | 21:26 |
| Freshman | same error with seatd | 21:27 |
| Freshman | it not installed actually | 21:28 |
| fsmithred | I think I'm out of ideas. Maybe ceres is broken today or this week. | 21:28 |
| fsmithred | oh | 21:28 |
| fsmithred | you could try installing seatd | 21:28 |
| Freshman | and i can't because of network | 21:28 |
| fsmithred | dhclient eth0 | 21:28 |
| Freshman | how make it functioning again? | 21:29 |
| Freshman | cannot find device | 21:29 |
| fsmithred | ip a | 21:29 |
| Freshman | there's only lo | 21:30 |
| fsmithred | should list lo and whatever ethernet and wlan devices you have | 21:30 |
| fsmithred | wow | 21:30 |
| Freshman | wasn't so before upgrade | 21:30 |
| n4dir | you use wired connection | 21:30 |
| n4dir | ? | 21:30 |
| Freshman | yes | 21:31 |
| fsmithred | and did you try booting into the older kernel? | 21:31 |
| n4dir | if so, lspci | grep -i -A2 Ethernet | 21:32 |
| n4dir | sorry: lspci -k | grep -i -A2 Ethernet | 21:32 |
| n4dir | it will tell you the ethernet chipset and the kernel driver in use. if in use | 21:32 |
| Freshman | no such file | 21:33 |
| Freshman | i'll try previous kernel | 21:34 |
| n4dir | fingers crossed | 21:34 |
| Freshman | was 6.6.9 | 21:35 |
| fsmithred | no such file as what? | 21:36 |
| Freshman | lspci | 21:36 |
| n4dir | that would be most weird. if i don't oversee something | 21:37 |
| Freshman | go 6.5.0-5 | 21:37 |
| fsmithred | yeah, 6.5 | 21:38 |
| Freshman | failed | 21:38 |
| Freshman | there was error message on booting text | 21:38 |
| Freshman | disapeared already | 21:38 |
| fsmithred | no desktop with the older kernel? What about network? | 21:38 |
| Freshman | how to extract it? | 21:38 |
| fsmithred | might be in /var/log/syslog | 21:39 |
| Freshman | same with net | 21:39 |
| fsmithred | ip a shows only lo? | 21:39 |
| Freshman | yes | 21:40 |
| n4dir | doublecheck lspci again. First at all only "lspci" | 21:41 |
| n4dir | to figure out the internet chipset | 21:41 |
| n4dir | without internet access you will hardly be able to solve the problem. | 21:42 |
| n4dir | probably will have to chroot anyway. | 21:42 |
| Freshman | on startuo it mentions 'cudev' | 21:48 |
| Freshman | failed | 21:48 |
| fsmithred | eudev, not cudev | 21:51 |
| Freshman | yes | 21:51 |
| fsmithred | maybe browse or search debian bug reports, maybe wait a few days and try upgrade again. It might get fixed. | 21:51 |
| Freshman | startpar: service returned failure: eudev | 21:52 |
| fsmithred | In general, if you run unstable you should expect occasional breakage and be comfortable with troubleshooting and fixing it. | 21:52 |
| n4dir | service eudev status | 21:53 |
| fsmithred | and also report bugs. | 21:53 |
| n4dir | what does it say? | 21:53 |
| n4dir | next will be either "service eudev start" or restart | 21:53 |
| n4dir | if i recall correct you said you have a backup? If so i'd go back, make sure apt-listbuges is installed, look at what exactly will get upgraded whe upgrading. | 21:53 |
| n4dir | another option is to reinstall, use stable, then run sid in a VM. To get the hang of it | 21:54 |
| fsmithred | good idea | 21:54 |
| Freshman | udevd is not running failed! | 21:56 |
| fsmithred | service eudev restart | 21:58 |
| fsmithred | shouldn't really need to do that | 21:59 |
| fsmithred | something is broken | 21:59 |
| Freshman | invalid rule | 22:00 |
| Freshman | and path to the file | 22:00 |
| Freshman | with my backup I just can restore the system | 22:01 |
| n4dir | i'd do that. Then install apt-listbugs, if not installed. | 22:01 |
| Freshman | I returned to it in hope to gather valuable data about the bug | 22:01 |
| n4dir | yup. | 22:01 |
| n4dir | not saying the time is wasted. | 22:01 |
| Freshman | thanks to Timeshift | 22:02 |
| Freshman | well it was fun journey | 22:02 |
| n4dir | it was. | 22:03 |
| Freshman | thanks everyone for teaming | 22:03 |
| fsmithred | yw, good luck | 22:03 |
| Freshman | i make backups everytime prior upgrading | 22:07 |
| n4dir | Freshman: as far we can tell yet, if you revert to backup, then upgrade again, the problem will happen again. | 22:09 |
| n4dir | So make sure to look very closely at what gets upgraded, best is to save it in a text file (though there is some log too, if i remember correct) | 22:10 |
| Freshman | i just upgrade kernel only ans will see | 22:10 |
| n4dir | Also i'd remove any packages i know i don't need (you mentioned several display-mangers installed, such stuff) | 22:11 |
| n4dir | Freshman: good point | 22:11 |
| Freshman | well everything works | 22:11 |
| n4dir | after the revert to backup? | 22:11 |
| Freshman | after kernel only upgrade | 22:11 |
| n4dir | good, good. Gathering info | 22:12 |
| n4dir | try the lspci command, does it work now? | 22:12 |
| n4dir | install aptitude, once at it | 22:12 |
| Freshman | lspci worked on broken system | 22:14 |
| Freshman | and showed the chip | 22:15 |
| n4dir | ok, then do lspci -k and check which driver is used for the Ethernet connection. | 22:15 |
| golinux | Freshman: Why are you running Ceres? It is not a 'release'. It is the same as sid - untsable! Maybe you are a masochist? | 22:15 |
| n4dir | lspci -k | grep -A 2 Ethernet is one option | 22:15 |
| Freshman | r8168 | 22:16 |
| Freshman | Ceres brings better features | 22:16 |
| n4dir | Freshman: i am not good with internet or drivers or chips, but make sure to have whatever provides that as a deb file | 22:17 |
| Freshman | new things | 22:17 |
| n4dir | r8168-dkms - dkms source for the r8168 network driver | 22:17 |
| n4dir | that might, or might not, be it | 22:17 |
| Freshman | hm | 22:18 |
| Freshman | thx | 22:18 |
| Freshman | how to make report? | 22:18 |
| n4dir | reportbug; the package, or reportbug-gtk. I for one don't. | 22:20 |
| * fsmithred hates r8168 | 22:21 | |
| fsmithred | but that was in jessie. Maybe things have changed. | 22:21 |
| n4dir | jessie was post-etch? | 22:22 |
| fsmithred | yeah, jessie was when we forked | 22:22 |
| n4dir | oh. so way after etch. | 22:22 |
| fsmithred | post wheezy | 22:22 |
| n4dir | i am really bad with the names. etch i do remember. because that is when i started | 22:23 |
| fsmithred | or post squeeze. I forget which came first. | 22:23 |
| fsmithred | Freshman, are you thinking of making a bug report? | 22:24 |
| n4dir | lenny i do remember due to the Steve Ray Vaughn song. | 22:24 |
| fsmithred | If so, you need to identify the offending package. | 22:24 |
| n4dir | well, and then he will need a debian installation, to make sure the same happens on debian (if not devuan related). | 22:24 |
| Freshman | fsmithred yes | 22:24 |
| fsmithred | true. | 22:24 |
| n4dir | the reason i don't do bug reports is not that extra work, but i am never sure what the real problem is | 22:25 |
| Freshman | what is sed ? the package | 22:25 |
| n4dir | not holding you back. Go for it. It is a good thing | 22:25 |
| n4dir | Freshman: streaming editor. Some voodoo | 22:25 |
| fsmithred | sed is a stream editor | 22:25 |
| fsmithred | feed it a file and it spits out the edited version. | 22:26 |
| Freshman | there were mesa upgrades | 22:27 |
| fsmithred | oh, those are good suspects. | 22:29 |
| fsmithred | maybe check debian bug reports for those packages | 22:29 |
| n4dir | wouldn't apt-listbugs list them? | 22:29 |
| n4dir | one way or the other. If it is the culprit, set them on hold. | 22:30 |
| Freshman | ok | 22:30 |
| n4dir | if no bug-reports, then making one is a good idea | 22:30 |
| fsmithred | I guess apt-listbugs would list bugs for all the upgradable packages. That's better. | 22:33 |
| Freshman | use it before upgrade? | 22:34 |
| n4dir | i had the hope that it is a bit easier instead of going to the website. | 22:34 |
| n4dir | Freshman: if it is installed, it will be run during the upgrade. | 22:34 |
| Freshman | that is not mesa | 22:34 |
| n4dir | not sure if it will run if you do an --simulated -s upgrade, but i would think so. | 22:34 |
| fsmithred | There are no recent bug reports on mesa-utils | 22:35 |
| n4dir | also i think if during the real upgrade you get a warning from apt-listbugs, you can opt out | 22:35 |
| n4dir | else it wouldn't be of much use, duh | 22:35 |
| fsmithred | when you do it, do 'apt upgrade | tee upgrade.log' (or use your favorite file name) | 22:36 |
| fsmithred | it'll save all the console output | 22:37 |
| fsmithred | apt-listbugs list <package> <package> | 22:45 |
| Freshman | i guess i have located the package | 22:47 |
| Freshman | my system runs several years and there were all DE | 22:47 |
| Freshman | i wanted to make fresh install | 22:48 |
| Freshman | but it worked and worked and worked | 22:48 |
| Freshman | through errors which been fixed | 22:48 |
| Freshman | everything is stable | 22:49 |
| Freshman | nope | 22:57 |
| Freshman | it's not gnome stuff | 22:57 |
| Freshman | it is the 'sed' package that causes failure | 23:51 |
| Freshman | 4.9-2 | 23:54 |
| fsmithred | 4.9-1 is available in excalibur | 23:57 |
| fsmithred | or maybe you have the .deb package in /var/cache/apt/archives/ | 23:58 |
| Freshman | i just hold it | 23:58 |
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