| nemo | but I imagine you'dve noticed that | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| ibanja | I don't have pulse. Everything worked fine until firefox made pulse a dependency. | 00:00 |
| nemo | ibanja: it didn't technically make pulse a dependency | 00:00 |
| nemo | ibanja: you can still use alsa if you want | 00:00 |
| nemo | you just need to use the libpulse bridge. they just decided they weren't going to support a dozen sound systems | 00:00 |
| nemo | sticking to one API makes sense. esp w/ limited linux marketshare, even tinier non-pulse linux share | 00:01 |
| nemo | and their dev manpower | 00:01 |
| ibanja | I think I messed everything up. I installed sndio which worked for awhile. | 00:01 |
| nemo | also they were implementing a secure implementation in rust and I can imagine they didn't want to implement 2 or 3 | 00:01 |
| nemo | ibanja: well. fire up pavucontrol for starters | 00:01 |
| ibanja | even if pulse is not installed? | 00:01 |
| nemo | I thought you said you were using pulse | 00:02 |
| ibanja | no, I stopped using it. Everything used to be fine then it all stopped working. I said it was when they made pulse a dependency for firefox, but I could be mistaken. It's been a over a year. | 00:03 |
| brocashelm | i solved this by appending apulse to firefox/firefox-esr | 00:03 |
| ibanja | I am getting sick of cutting and pasting or going to another computer to have proper sound. | 00:03 |
| brocashelm | on a pure alsa system | 00:04 |
| ibanja | brocashelm: I tried that with an alias--didn't work. How did you do it. | 00:04 |
| brocashelm | so just running the command "apulse firefox-esr" did the trick for me | 00:04 |
| ibanja | Something must be seriously broken on my system. | 00:04 |
| brocashelm | no need for alias; you could just modify your firefox launcher with apulse preceding it | 00:04 |
| brocashelm | and if you are not using pulseaudio, i'd just disable/uninstall it completely (that includes pavucontrol;volumecontrol-alsa and alsamixer can be used in its place) | 00:05 |
| brocashelm | apulse is useful for impossible situations like firefox | 00:05 |
| brocashelm | it's just pulseaudio emulation for alsa | 00:06 |
| gnarface | on current stable, firefox-esr audio works fine for me without any extra work | 00:06 |
| brocashelm | poettering still loses | 00:06 |
| nemo | ibanja: what I'm saying is they officially only support pulse, but that doesn't require *you* to use it since all the sound systems out there have bridges | 00:06 |
| ibanja | pulse is uninstalled completely. I have pin prioritied it -1 | 00:06 |
| nemo | ibanja: it's just an API. it's not like they are running a dæmon connecting directly to audio hardware ☺ | 00:06 |
| ibanja | nemo: I know. I tried to set up sndio and it didn't work. I recently tried pipewire and it didn't work. Something is seriously wrong with my system. | 00:07 |
| nemo | pulse frustrates me, and poettering too, but it's not my number one battle | 00:07 |
| nemo | so. eh. most of my stuff has it now | 00:07 |
| ibanja | I just want working audio | 00:07 |
| nemo | ... or pipewire in case of the steam deck ☺ | 00:07 |
| brocashelm | just don't use jack, pulseaudio, pipewire, or sndiod (better to just install openbsd if you want sndio, but that's OT) | 00:07 |
| nemo | ibanja: yeah. that's why I gave up and just went with the defaults on audio | 00:07 |
| brocashelm | sticking to pure alsa is better in the long run | 00:08 |
| nemo | maybe if I was a sound engineer I'd feel differently | 00:08 |
| ibanja | I just read about sndio and thought I would try it since my audio was tanked. | 00:08 |
| brocashelm | of course, packages like libpulse0 have to stay for compatibility with software | 00:08 |
| ibanja | I am for sticking to pure alsa. | 00:08 |
| brocashelm | but poettering is still pissed at you nonetheless | 00:08 |
| ibanja | OK... I might have to do a complete reinstall on this computer. I have been running without reinstalling since jessie. | 00:09 |
| brocashelm | ibanja: if it helps, refracta comes with alsa audio only | 00:10 |
| brocashelm | it's a devuan respin | 00:10 |
| ibanja | I've heard of it... haven't checked it out. I'll do a quick search on it. | 00:12 |
| ibanja | thanks | 00:12 |
| brocashelm | np, it's also maintained by one of devuan's staff (fsmithred), so it's pretty close to the source | 00:14 |
| gnarface | ibanja: just out of curiosity, when audio is broken in firefox, does it still work with aplay and speaker-test? | 00:15 |
| ibanja | gnarface: yes it does | 00:35 |
| gnarface | ok, just making sure | 00:35 |
| ibanja | I have been thinking that maybe I should remove my firefox profile and start over. I did mess with some settings awhile back. | 00:36 |
| ibanja | the only thing is that brave browser doesn't have audio either... so what is that about. | 00:37 |
| ibanja | ? | 00:37 |
| gnarface | you're on current stable, right? firefox-esr should be working. something is weird about that. yes, try just moving the profile directory elsewhere temporarily. | 00:40 |
| brocashelm | or run firefox-esr -P and create a new profile to test on, without moving/renaming anything | 00:41 |
| gnarface | ah, neat trick | 00:41 |
| ibanja | gnarface: Chimaera | 00:41 |
| gnarface | hmm, definitely should work then | 00:42 |
| ibanja | I just tried firefox-esr -P and still no audio. | 00:43 |
| gnarface | maybe there's also something up with what you're testing | 00:44 |
| gnarface | you trying youtube or something? | 00:44 |
| ibanja | I just tried youtube | 00:44 |
| gnarface | make sure you have that stupid cisco h264 plugin disabled, and then try just loading a local mp3 or wav file | 00:45 |
| ibanja | I just tried another site that is not youtube. | 00:48 |
| ibanja | I can play a local mp3 or wav file no problem. | 00:48 |
| ibanja | it's only browsers that won't play. | 00:49 |
| gnarface | you sure the little volume slider on the actual youtube video player itself isn't muted? | 00:49 |
| gnarface | no no, i mean play the mp3 file in firefox, not just locally with whatever. | 00:49 |
| ibanja | yes. This has been over a year and I would have noticed that. | 00:49 |
| ibanja | mp3 in firefox doesn't work either. I have my own site with mp3 files and they don't play. | 00:50 |
| gnarface | and they don't play if you just load them off the harddrive with a file:/// url either? | 00:50 |
| ibanja | let me try that. | 00:50 |
| gnarface | or rather, to be clear, they say they're playing but no sound comes out, right? we're not talking about an error or refusal to play, it's playing and there's just no sound? that's an important distinction | 00:51 |
| ibanja | The mp3 files on my site don't even play. Youtube advances but no sound, so I see video but no sound. | 00:53 |
| gnarface | huh, and locally with file:///? | 00:53 |
| ibanja | I just tried loading a file directly firefox /path/file.mp3 and got the same results. | 00:53 |
| gnarface | hmm, odd... | 00:54 |
| gnarface | do you have any ~/.asoundrc or other alsa config customization? | 00:54 |
| ibanja | file:// doesn't gives me a file not found | 00:54 |
| ibanja | I did, but I have removed it. | 00:55 |
| gnarface | needs a directory, the third slash was root | 00:55 |
| gnarface | try: file:///home/ibanja/ or whatever | 00:55 |
| gnarface | three slashes was not a typo | 00:55 |
| ibanja | oops... typo, with /// it doesn't work | 00:56 |
| gnarface | hmmm, i wonder if you need to enable that | 00:56 |
| gnarface | my profile is kinda ol | 00:56 |
| gnarface | old | 00:56 |
| ibanja | I am wondering if I have an issue in /etc/alsa/conf.d/ | 00:57 |
| ibanja | I have 13 files there | 00:57 |
| gnarface | nah that's normal | 00:57 |
| gnarface | when you tested aplay and speaker-test earlier, were you specifying a device on the command-line? | 00:58 |
| ibanja | ok... I misled. I forgot, but my speaker test doesn't user 'speaker-test'. When i run the actual command 'speaker-test' I get 'Playback device is default' ... 'Playback open error: -112,Host is down' | 01:02 |
| gnarface | O.o | 01:02 |
| gnarface | "host is down" actually still sounds like a pulseaudio error | 01:02 |
| ibanja | I don't have pulse installed... Maybe I should just try installing pulse. | 01:03 |
| gnarface | not yet | 01:03 |
| gnarface | try it with -D"plug:\"dmix:hw,0\"" | 01:04 |
| gnarface | speaker-test -c 2 -D"plug:\"dmix:hw,0\"" | 01:04 |
| ibanja | can't find card... No such device | 01:05 |
| gnarface | well that's pretty interesting | 01:05 |
| gnarface | using HDMI? | 01:06 |
| ibanja | aplay -l lists 'card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC3234 Analog [ALC3234 Analog]' as first on the list. | 01:06 |
| ibanja | I don't use HDMI. | 01:06 |
| gnarface | try: speaker-test -c 2 -D"plug:\"dmix:PCH,0\"" | 01:06 |
| gnarface | but that's hw:0 so i dunno why it wouldn't work | 01:06 |
| ibanja | worked... got white noise | 01:06 |
| gnarface | starting to look like a possible driver issue here, but a simple one where you can just complete the setup if your ~/.asoundrc is right | 01:07 |
| gnarface | but not certain it's a driver issue... since the "host is down" issue kinda makes me wonder if it's still just trying to use pulseaudio | 01:07 |
| gnarface | interestingly enough, the same ~/.asoundrc fixes it either way without ever informing you about which was at fault | 01:08 |
| gnarface | for some reason though, the default device, which is literally named "default" (or "!default" in the config, confusingly) isn't working for you, and it should | 01:09 |
| gnarface | and if it was, firefox-esr would probably also be working | 01:09 |
| ibanja | I did install pipewire recently to try to fix the issue, to no avail. Should I remove all the pipewire stuff firs? | 01:09 |
| gnarface | aiui pipewire still uses pulseaudio so i don't know what purpose it serves without it | 01:09 |
| ibanja | pipewire didn't break firefox. | 01:09 |
| ibanja | so I should remove it then. It does have a pipewire-pulse which I thought replaces pulseaudio, that's why I gave it a shot. | 01:10 |
| gnarface | i couldn't say, i don't trust either one | 01:10 |
| ibanja | I will remove pipewire for now. I would prefer a pure alsa fix. | 01:11 |
| ibanja | WOW!!!! I removed all the pipewire bits and now my firefox works when I use 'firefox-esr -P' | 01:15 |
| gnarface | awesome | 01:16 |
| ibanja | It works in youtube and with mp3 files... | 01:16 |
| ibanja | Thanks a bundle. !!! | 01:16 |
| gnarface | hooraaay! | 01:16 |
| gnarface | no problem | 01:16 |
| brocashelm | that's good. i had a feeling you still had some pipewire/pulseaudio/jack/etc. crud laying around | 01:20 |
| brocashelm | now you have a pure alsa system, and firefox-esr will default to it | 01:20 |
| gnarface | yea, i'm just surprised it didn't require manually recovering a file | 01:21 |
| brocashelm | i sanitize such systems with apt autopurge pulseaudio* pipewire* *jack* (note the placement of the asterisks; check the prompts to ensure nothing important gets removed) | 01:22 |
| brocashelm | sorry, jack* instead of *jack* | 01:22 |
| gnarface | i would also add avahi* to that | 01:24 |
| brocashelm | yup | 01:25 |
| gnarface | and probably uh, network-manager | 01:26 |
| gnarface | but that's just me | 01:26 |
| brocashelm | network-manager is the least shit of the few gui network applets i can use :\ | 01:26 |
| brocashelm | connman fucks up my resolvconf symlink for some reason | 01:26 |
| monsoon777 | how do i change init to OpenRC on my fresh install? | 07:41 |
| brocashelm | from what i can tell, you just need to install the package openrc, which will replace rcconf and sysv-rc with openrc, librc1, and libeinfo1; reboot and then check that it is your new init | 07:51 |
| n4dir | if it was me i'd probably just reinstall, but it is said to be easy, and i found this forum thread: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=6105 | 07:51 |
| n4dir | i sure recall it to be slightly different, but i might well recall wrong | 07:51 |
| brocashelm | agreed, just reinstall for best results | 07:52 |
| n4dir | i told (here) that i would want to reinstall (a long running system) to switch init system, and was told there are easier ways (round the lines of what is in that thread) | 07:52 |
| n4dir | but with a new installed system? | 07:53 |
| n4dir | before someone here can say for sure, you already re-installed | 07:53 |
| monsoon777 | so i did | 07:57 |
| monsoon777 | sudo apt install openrc -y && sudo apt remove sysvinit-core -y | 07:58 |
| monsoon777 | and i rebooted, now NetworkManager isn't running | 07:58 |
| n4dir | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/OpenRC#Usage | 08:01 |
| n4dir | fiddle with that a bit. | 08:01 |
| monsoon777 | i checked, my system is now running runit instead | 08:04 |
| monsoon777 | oh well | 08:04 |
| brocashelm | from what i can tell, even runit is partly implemented when compared to other distros (i.e. limited runsv/sv scripts in runit-services package), but it has made strides in recent years with more sysvinit services being ported over to runit | 08:09 |
| monsoon777 | i see, thank you | 08:22 |
| cousin_luigi | Joril: Hello. | 09:57 |
| cousin_luigi | Joril: To continue yesterday's conversation, when one uses uwsgi, what does one have to use the webserver as a proxy? And in that case, I assume, uwsgi won't have any use for the certificates, right? | 09:58 |
| Joril | cousing_luigi: Hi! I'm not very experienced with uwsgi, but it looks like nginx supports it | 10:03 |
| Joril | as for SSL, uwsgi DOES support certificates, so I gues it's a matter of preference | 10:04 |
| Joril | *guess | 10:04 |
| cousin_luigi | Joril: I would rather have the webserver handle that part. | 10:32 |
| cousin_luigi | Maybe I don't really need uwsgi then. | 10:32 |
| Joril | AFAICS WSGI is a method to handle the webserver-to-webapp communication more efficiently than a simple "proxy_pass", so I guess that if the latter is good enough for your use-case, you don't need uwsgi :) | 10:35 |
| baudouin | hello :) | 11:03 |
| cousin_luigi | Joril: Well, it's on an embedded server and my use case is 3 clients. | 11:04 |
| baudouin | I'm looking for info on how to change DNS Servers name in a non-systemd distro - I'm running MXLinux 21 - | 11:04 |
| cousin_luigi | baudouin: edit /etc/resolv.conf ? | 11:04 |
| Joril | Unless it's coming from DHCP | 11:06 |
| baudouin | @cousin_luigi, it looks like my ISP DNS server are listed there every time I turn my laptop on | 11:07 |
| cousin_luigi | unsure if ifupdown allows to get only the address | 11:07 |
| cousin_luigi | and not the nameserver | 11:07 |
| cousin_luigi | baudouin: You might want to work on your dhcp server then | 11:08 |
| cousin_luigi | Your router, I assume. Set alternative nameservers there, per client if possible. | 11:08 |
| baudouin | @cousin_luigi, thanks - I will investigate in that direction :) | 11:09 |
| rrq | # This file contains the reload/restart commands needed for using a | 12:51 |
| rrq | # newly updated uacme certificate. See the uacme-listener boot service | 12:51 |
| rrq | # (i.e. /etc/init.d/uacme-listener) | 12:51 |
| * rrq oops. wrong window | 12:52 | |
| blizzow | I'm trying to debootstrap a ceres installation. Debootstrap was failing on some packages so I made some exclusions: 'debootstrap --arch amd64 --exclude=logrotate,cron,cron-daemon-common,cpio ceres /mnt' | 14:31 |
| blizzow | After chrooting, installing things is continually throwing errors. Many seem related to mkinitramfs. | 14:33 |
| blizzow | stuff like this - '/usr/sbin/mkinitramfs: 100: /sbin/modprobe: not found' | 14:33 |
| blizzow | The kmod package is installed, but the link '/sbin/modprobe -> /usr/sbin/kmod' doesn't exist. I saw some forums saying there is a package called mmdebootstrap that will ger around this but can't find it. What's the right way to debootstrap ceres? | 14:36 |
| gnarface | blizzow: sounds like usrmerge breakage. /sbin/modprobe symlinks to /bin/kmod here. | 16:16 |
| gnu_srs | I'm working on reverting packages to re-populate essential packages to /bin,/sbin, /lib. kmod is one of them. | 16:26 |
| gnarface | excellent! | 16:27 |
| cousin_luigi | Joril: Sorry again, I think I'm almost set up, but there is no principal! | 16:38 |
| cousin_luigi | I can't access via web, do I have to do that from command-line | 16:38 |
| cousin_luigi | ? | 16:38 |
| blizzow | The one I'm really surprised is broken during debootstrap is cpio. update-alternatives complains about /bin/mt-gnu not being around. I thought cpio was a fundamental gnu/linux tool and wouldn't fall prey to the update-alternatives hell. | 17:04 |
| blizzow | If I use --variant=minbase during installation, debootstrap finishes a bit cleaner but still not perfect. In the forums, I see a 'solution' to use mmdebootstrap, but I can't find any package or program called mmdebootstrap. Anyone know where I can find this? | 17:12 |
| blizzow | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=6340 | 17:12 |
| gnu_srs | cpio is also one of the packages I've patched to avoid usrmerge. | 17:20 |
| blizzow | gnu_srs, glad you're on it - I'm still not sure what usrmerge is. | 17:21 |
| gnarface | bunch of fucking kids are like "there's too many directories in linux! let's put everything in ONE directory!" | 17:22 |
| gnarface | vandals and idiots. | 17:22 |
| golinux | Selective repackaging to avoid usrmerge is not a solution . . . | 17:23 |
| gnu_srs | golinux: Why? | 17:23 |
| gnu_srs | For now it is around 10 packages to fork :) | 17:24 |
| gnu_srs | And I volunteer! | 17:25 |
| blizzow | oh f*ck, Lennart is behind this? | 17:26 |
| gnarface | *sigh* of course, but we're drifting offtopic | 17:27 |
| blizzow | Isn't he the one behind the systemd clusterf*ck? | 17:27 |
| gnarface | well, the money is all coming from IBM and RedHat | 17:27 |
| gnarface | shame they're wasting it on spinning wheels | 17:28 |
| adam_free2air | blizzow: sudo apt update && sudo apt install mmdebstrap | 17:33 |
| golinux | gnarface: And Microsoft!!! | 17:34 |
| blizzow | Damnit, this guy is singlehandedly responsible for so many problems with linux. His clout to get changes implemented in major distros has literally wasted years of man hours in troubleshooting and confusion. | 17:34 |
| gnarface | blizzow: no arguments here, but we should take the griping session to #devuan-offtopic | 17:35 |
| gnarface | ...lest this channel become choked with it 24/7 | 17:35 |
| blizzow | apologies. | 17:35 |
| blizzow | I will gripe over there. | 17:35 |
| cousin_luigi | Joril: Sorry if I keep pestering you, but could you please check your radicale configuration to see how logs are handled? | 18:06 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | hi all, happie new year and its good to c you all. after about a month since successfully and happily running devuan - i realise that bluetooth drivers were not installed or else xfce would have such a setting in settings manager or even MATE would have applet or icon on the top panel that denotes bluetooth setting to turn it on / off.. can | 19:15 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | someone please let me know how to make linux autofind / auto probe hardware for missing drivers ? | 19:15 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | and where to such driver packages - i can do synaptic / apt - but how do i know what packages/driver modules to install ? | 19:15 |
| gnarface | movedMacBook2DV1: all the available drivers are definitely 100% installed with a stock kernel. | 19:16 |
| gnarface | your problem must be either that they're not being loaded, or that you're missing some (possibly xfce-specific) bluetooth tool | 19:16 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | before switching to devuan i was running fedora for a month and its gnome settings gave me an option to switch on bluetooth on or off and that was running running 6.6 kernel | 19:17 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | i see | 19:17 |
| gnarface | well on current stable the kernel is 6.1, so if your hardware's drivers were only in a later kernel they might be missing... maybe there's a newer kernel in backports already though, that would be the normal fix in that case | 19:18 |
| gnarface | but, it's best not to guess | 19:18 |
| gnarface | it's best to know | 19:18 |
| gnarface | first good thing to know would be which driver you actually need | 19:18 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | true dat | 19:18 |
| gnarface | you don't happen to remember the module name do you? | 19:19 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | actually it ran well in - debian 10 - so i dont see why it wouldnt be picked up on debian 12 / dv1 5 | 19:19 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | i dont remember module name to modprobe it.. | 19:19 |
| gnarface | hmm | 19:19 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | actually its this exact machine and this wiki - https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple/MacBookPro/Early-2015-13-inch - bluetooth worked here | 19:21 |
| gnarface | hmm, you could just be missing permissions too | 19:21 |
| gnarface | that page doesn't seem to say anything about bluetooth | 19:21 |
| gnarface | what does "hcitool dev" give you? | 19:22 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | actually thats the exact model / machine spec of my machine... and this 1st line - | 19:23 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | Debian Stretch runs very well on this version of the MacBook Pro. You need an amd-64 CD image - made me wanna get into debian and eventually i moved on to dv1 after a bit of research | 19:23 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | it gives me 1 device | 19:24 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | $ hcitool dev | 19:24 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | Devices: | 19:24 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | hci0 C4:B3:01:C0:91:F8 | 19:24 |
| gnarface | hmm, ok, that's a good sign. if the device shows up that way, your driver loaded | 19:24 |
| gnarface | i can't tell you what xfce package you might be missing for a gui control on it, but someone around here who uses xfce might. | 19:25 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | so this means that i dont need to modprobe / rmmod some modules but just get some apt packages | 19:25 |
| gnarface | honestly, you can probably set it up with command-line tools entirely, but yea i think to get a GUI you are probably missing something | 19:25 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | i remember something like blueman applet when i was playing around some DEs i can look it and hope it adds control over it | 19:25 |
| gnarface | i don't see anything named 'xfce-bluetooth' so your guess is as good as mine | 19:25 |
| gnarface | blueman is a existing package | 19:26 |
| gnarface | do you have it installed? | 19:26 |
| gnarface | something like this might help: apt-cache search '^blue(z|t)' | 19:28 |
| gnarface | and: dpkg -l |grep blue | 19:28 |
| gnarface | i can't be sure what you're missing, but it'll probably have "blue" in the name | 19:29 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | i blindly ran apt install blueman | 19:30 |
| gnarface | add your user to the bluetooth group too | 19:30 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | and guess what - xfce settings manager has bluetooth functionality to switch it on / off | 19:30 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | so things looks ok.. | 19:30 |
| gnarface | oh, cool | 19:30 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | i might have to test run it by connecting to some bluetooth speakers / transfering some files / pics just to check if it works or if i can tether internet tthru it | 19:31 |
| gnarface | depending on how your session is setup, you might not need to be in the "bluetooth" group to do stuff as a non-root user, but note that on debian and fedora and other systemd distros, it would not be a required step but on devaun you might still need to do it | 19:31 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | chuser USERNAME blueToothGroup ? - i can get syntax from internet but where do i get the bluetooth group name ? | 19:32 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | interesting.. | 19:32 |
| gnarface | the group is literally named 'bluetooth' (i got it from the debian wiki but you can probably just look in /etc/groups | 19:32 |
| gnarface | ) | 19:33 |
| gnarface | er, /etc/group | 19:33 |
| gnarface | here, you'll want to make a backup of this page before they delete it: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemGroups#Other_System_Groups | 19:34 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | and group - it is singular | 19:34 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | thanks so much gnarface - you are the most helpful - whenever i ping something - you are the one to respond almost immediately.. | 19:34 |
| gnarface | no problem | 19:35 |
| movedMacBook2DV1 | thnx all .. bye | 19:41 |
| blizzow | I just finished installing daedalus on a lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon 5th gen. I know it has the crappy nvidia 'optimus' hybrid graphics. Currently I have done 'apt install nvidia-driver nvidia-cuda-mps vulkan-tools' What is the proper way to enable/use my nvidia card on this laptop? | 23:34 |
| blizzow | Also, I do get 'errors were encountered while processing: nvidia-persistenced' after doing this. I also got something similar with zfs-zed but uninstalled it. I'm not sure what nvidia-persistenced is and if I can uninstall it or fix it. | 23:36 |
| gnarface | blizzow: nvidia-persistenced is useless; usually broken and actively harmful when it's working right. feel free to just remove it. | 23:36 |
| blizzow | gnarface, done, thank you. Any recommendations on what is needed to run accelerated graphics? | 23:37 |
| gnarface | as for your nvidia card in that hardware... TBH i'd just ignore it. recent developments from Intel and AMD contributions to MESA have made the crappy integrated intel video now faster than most of the nvidia devices they were paired with | 23:38 |
| gnarface | if you want to make it work just for academic purposes (chasing emotional sunk-cost fallacy) i wouldn't blame you, the problem is solutions that actually work on all hardware in this class are nonexistent | 23:40 |
| gnarface | so some people might have luck with only older stuff like bumblebee(?) and the newer thing is uh... DRI_PRIME? | 23:40 |
| gnarface | something like that | 23:40 |
| gnarface | hang on, i'll see if i can find a relevant link about it | 23:41 |
| gnarface | hmmm... maybe DRI_PRIME is only for AMD though | 23:42 |
| gnarface | another keyword comes to mind... optirun? | 23:43 |
| blizzow | gnarface, thanks again. I would like to be able to offload some graphics processing to the nvidia card sometimes. the card is good at transcoding video etc. Also, if I want to feed the nvidia gpu to a VM and keep my intel card running the desktop, I'd like to have that option. | 23:43 |
| gnarface | ah, yea those are valid use cases | 23:44 |
| gnarface | nvidia's hardware video decoder still looks better than everyone else's (though it's been intimated to me that they violate standards to accomplish that) | 23:44 |
| gnarface | and afaik the only way to get working hardware accel in a VM is with a dedicated gpu | 23:45 |
| gnarface | blizzow: ah! here we go: https://wiki.debian.org/NVIDIA%20Optimus | 23:46 |
| gnarface | last i was looking into this, it was hit+miss whether any particular hardware would work or not, and often there was no clues either way | 23:46 |
| gnarface | maybe things are better though, i'd be interested in hearing how the tests work out for you | 23:46 |
| gnarface | but, like i said, MESA on Intel is a lot faster than it used to be, so you might find the comparative performance of the NVidia card to be somewhat disappointing now | 23:48 |
| gnarface | and don't even bother with NOUVEAU | 23:49 |
| blizzow | I did the nouveau long ago. Too much pain. | 23:49 |
| blizzow | Going to reboot and see what comes of the nvidia driver install. | 23:49 |
| gnarface | it's not worth the trouble unless you have the one specific 780 that almost everything works on | 23:49 |
| gnarface | (nouveau that is) | 23:50 |
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