| rustyaxe | debootstrapping testing into an empty directory i end up with this wtf moment -- cron-daemon-common depends on systemd | systemd-standalone-sysusers | systemd-sysusers; however: | 03:16 |
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| rustyaxe | Why this happens? | 03:16 |
| n4dir | which command did you use? | 03:17 |
| n4dir | in debian stable cron-daemon-common does not depend on systemd, in debian testing it does. | 03:19 |
| n4dir | not sure who asked about debootstrap, but i got a similar error message for ceres | 03:43 |
| rustyaxe | n4dir: debootstrap testing /mnt/test' | 04:59 |
| rustyaxe | which is what i remember doing in the past to do this heh | 04:59 |
| n4dir | rustyaxe: yeah, as said, i got the same error. am on old-stable, couldn't go for excalibur, but used ceres | 04:59 |
| n4dir | more i don't know. | 04:59 |
| n4dir | i could give you the command i used, but i am not too sure about it, and as said, it fails too | 05:01 |
| rustyaxe | looks like i just need to block cron.. or install 'systemd-standalone-sysusers' which seems cancerous | 05:07 |
| rrq | debootstrap of ecalibur/ceres require "--exlude logrotate,cron,cron_daemon-common" and "--include=systemd-standalone-sysusers" | 05:23 |
| rrq | cron and logrotate can be installed after debootstrap | 05:24 |
| onefang | Try mmdebstrap instead of debootstrap. | 05:24 |
| onefang | From what I understand, mmdebstrap uses apt to figure out dependencies and stuff, but debootstrap doesn't. So might work better at sorting that sort of shit out. | 05:25 |
| rrq | mmdebstrap breaks the same way | 05:26 |
| * onefang falls back on "well it's testing and experimental, things WILL break". | 05:27 | |
| n4dir | what does debootstrap use instead of apt ? | 05:28 |
| onefang | Not sure, but I think it just does things by itself. | 05:28 |
| onefang | I know that I switched to mmdebstrap a couple of years ago, works better for me in general. | 05:29 |
| n4dir | i can't say i ran in problems with debootstrap | 05:30 |
| onefang | mmdebstrap actually depends on apt, debootstrap depends on wget, with no mention of any apt things. | 05:31 |
| n4dir | uh ... well. | 05:32 |
| onefang | mmdebstrap says "In contrast to debootstrap it uses apt, supports more than one mirror, automatically uses security and updates mirrors for Debian stable chroots, is 3-6 times faster, produces smaller output by removing unnecessary cruft, is bit-by-bit reproducible if $SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH is set, allows unprivileged operation using Linux user namespaces, fakechroot or proot and can setup foreign architecture chroots using qemu-user." | 05:33 |
| onefang | Most of which is important to me. | 05:34 |
| n4dir | it uses dpkg, it seems | 05:37 |
| Hebralon | Hi, I wanted to install Devuan with a specific setup in mind, issue is, I'm not sure if all of my application (which I'll install in custom repos) will work with Runit or OpenRC, I just wonder if Devuan can use systemD services by any way (just in case?). | 14:40 |
| Hebralon | Say, Can I host a server and make it autostart? Can I use.... Cromite or Brave? IWD? I'm kinda clueless. | 14:46 |
| Hebralon | Is my question an offtopic? | 14:49 |
| Hebralon | ??? | 14:53 |
| djph | Hebralon: services autostart fine with runit/openrc/sysvinit | 14:53 |
| djph | you cannot use systemd-units for reasons that should be obvious. | 14:54 |
| Hebralon | Yeah, I don't mean units I mean services; Say, WIndscribe use a SystemD helper, Will it works? | 14:55 |
| Hebralon | ~~I understand, I just don't want to miss some apps~~ NVM, I'll set it up anyway. | 14:58 |
| djph | ... | 15:03 |
| al1r4d | Hmm, Hebrlaon was left | 15:03 |
| al1r4d | I just want to answer the question | 15:03 |
| djph | al1r4d: they'll either be happy with not-systemd ... or not. | 15:21 |
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