| Juest | interesting | 13:02 |
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| Juest | why devuan has a libsystemd symblink to libelogind? | 13:03 |
| Juest | if it makes systemd applications work better, other distros could take it | 13:11 |
| fsmithred | whidh devuan are you running? | 13:11 |
| fsmithred | Juest, ^^^ | 13:12 |
| Juest | [2024-02-07 19:24:11] <eyalroz> # ls -la /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsystemd.so.0 | 13:12 |
| Juest | [2024-02-07 19:24:11] <eyalroz> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Nov 11 00:14 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsystemd.so.0 -> libelogind.so.0 | 13:12 |
| Juest | fsmithred: i dont run devuan at the moment, asking bc of this ^ | 13:12 |
| fsmithred | I think he might be running excalibur. I don't have one now, so I can't check. | 13:17 |
| fsmithred | I don't have libsystemd0 in chimaera or daedalus. | 13:18 |
| djph | I don't have it either, in either of those | 13:19 |
| Juest | oh okay hmmmm | 13:23 |
| n4dir | i have it installed, old-stable. | 13:23 |
| Juest | i guess its a optional thing you can do | 13:23 |
| Juest | would it make systemd things work better? | 13:24 |
| n4dir | fluidsynth seems to depend on it, and fluidsynth often gets installed where you would not expect it | 13:24 |
| Juest | oh hmm | 13:24 |
| n4dir | Juest: you could do "aptitude why libsystemd0", but often the result is not too clear | 13:24 |
| n4dir | so your choice if you want to install aptitude and probably won't know much more after it | 13:25 |
| Juest | okay thank you n4dir | 15:29 |
| joerg | how about a `apt-get --simulate remove libsystemd0` ? | 15:37 |
| n4dir | aptitude why would tell you if it is a depends or a recommends | 15:41 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: I am running excalibur | 15:42 |
| eyalroz | But I didn't realize this symlink was a new thing. | 15:43 |
| eyalroz | n4dir: When I do that, it tells me: "i tor Depends libsystemd0" | 15:44 |
| joerg | on a debian system you get "i systemd Depends libsystemd0 (= 241-7~deb10u10)" | 15:45 |
| n4dir | try what joerg suggested. | 15:46 |
| n4dir | aptitude why ; has it's drawbacks | 15:46 |
| n4dir | otoh: if you sure want to keep tor, there is no need to investigate any further | 15:46 |
| joerg | well, (on debian) apt-get -s remove libsystemd0 gives me a lot of bickering, and finally : | 15:51 |
| joerg | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 15:51 |
| joerg | libsoup2.4-1 : Depends: glib-networking (>= 2.32.0) but it is not going to be installed | 15:51 |
| joerg | YMMV, on devuan | 15:52 |
| joerg | https://termbin.com/qfv8 | 15:53 |
| fsmithred | joerg, was libelogind0 already installed when you tried to remove libsystemd0? | 16:33 |
| joerg | fsmithred: this is on a debian(!) VM server | 16:34 |
| fsmithred | oh | 16:35 |
| joerg | a shame Hetzner doesn't offer Devuan images for installation | 16:36 |
| fsmithred | I'm doing a ceres debootstrap now to see what I get | 16:41 |
| eyalroz | joerg: Well, it seems I don't even have it installed! | 16:53 |
| mason | joerg: Debian also ships libelogind0 fwiw | 16:53 |
| eyalroz | Juest: It turns out that link I mentioned is just a dangling remainder of a package. | 16:55 |
| Juest | oh lol | 16:55 |
| eyalroz | sorry I yanked your chain. | 16:57 |
| Juest | no worries | 17:06 |
| Juest | eyalroz: no idea what package it was? | 17:06 |
| eyalroz | Juest: The package is libsystemd0 ... | 17:07 |
| Juest | ah ok | 17:07 |
| eyalroz | but it's not installed | 17:07 |
| Juest | installed as a dependency of? | 17:07 |
| eyalroz | simply not installed. Not sure how that file got there | 17:07 |
| Juest | it seems that tor depends on it | 17:07 |
| Juest | when you do that | 17:07 |
| Juest | ??? | 17:07 |
| Juest | sorry | 17:07 |
| eyalroz | Yeah, well... I can't explain it | 17:08 |
| eyalroz | And tor doesn't really need it either | 17:09 |
| Hurgotron | fsmithred: Would be mighty cool if the Refracta installer woud display a little bit more info whan choosing the partitions, like size, type. I wasted like 2 hours because gparted named the partitons differently every time I tried, and then the install didn't fit | 17:15 |
| fsmithred | Hurgotron, it does give output of fdisk -l and either blkid or df (I forget which) | 17:16 |
| Hurgotron | fsmithred: Maybe after choosing, you would have to think of checking that | 17:19 |
| Hurgotron | it also seems to happily install on a too small disk and only error out when reating the new user | 17:20 |
| fsmithred | yeah, it's fully manual partitioning. | 17:20 |
| Hurgotron | and the install boootloader window doesn't show th buttons here, onla if you remember to resize | 17:20 |
| fsmithred | what size is your display? | 17:21 |
| Hurgotron | I don't know, the default of the emulator | 17:21 |
| Juest | hey, any idea why grub is not adding itself to efi boot list? | 17:21 |
| Juest | efibootmgr is present | 17:22 |
| fsmithred | Juest, are you looking for the removable media option? | 17:22 |
| fsmithred | --force-extra-removable | 17:25 |
| fsmithred | force installation to the removable media path also. This option is only available on EFI | 17:25 |
| Juest | oh sorry, wrong channel | 18:11 |
| rwp | I have become a believer in using UUIDs in /etc/fstab instead of ever using a kernel partition name which might change. "lsblk -f" is a good way to list those out. | 18:39 |
| * debdog names the partitions and uses LABEL instead. much more mucid. | 18:42 | |
| debdog | hehe *lucid | 18:42 |
| cousin_luigi | debdog: fs or gpt labels? | 18:51 |
| rwp | If using LVM then LVM uses UUIDs internally. So using an LV path (example: /dev/mapper/vg-root) is a persistent UUID path and okay. | 18:54 |
| debdog | hum, no clue, TBH, cousin_luigi. the option the devuan installer offers to label partitions. or the on gparted offers. | 18:54 |
| debdog | prolly not fs then | 18:54 |
| rwp | I think it will depend upon the partition type, GPT or MBR, and then do the right thing depending upon that choice. | 18:57 |
| debdog | right | 18:58 |
| rwp | I use labels for RAID arrays where I have labeled each disk with the serial number. Makes determining which disk has failed in the array easier. Having labeled the hot swap bay with the same it identifying which bay to pull and replace. | 18:59 |
| debdog | serial number, good idea | 18:59 |
| rwp | I also keep a file listing which drives are installed where. Because sometimes the label adhesive dries up and falls off! Server rooms are very dry. | 19:00 |
| debdog | heehee | 19:01 |
| debdog | Dymo labels? | 19:01 |
| rwp | Knowing by some method which drive bay to pull makes the difference between a trivial hot swap and needing to shut down the system entirely to inventory the drives and figure out which one failed and then things are offline until you boot back up again. | 19:02 |
| debdog | just out of curiouriosity | 19:02 |
| rwp | I have a Brother label machine that has worked well for many years. | 19:02 |
| debdog | *curiosity? | 19:02 |
| debdog | ok | 19:02 |
| rwp | I haven't seen an old Dyno tape labeler for some time now. Though the most recent one I saw was a Braille tape maker. After seeing it I immediately wanted a label in Braille that said "Do Not Touch". | 19:03 |
| debdog | lol | 19:03 |
| debdog | there are modern Dymos, too, you know? | 19:04 |
| debdog | thermo printer | 19:04 |
| debdog | hmm, I suppose they are thermo | 19:05 |
| rwp | I think I was confusing the newer Dymo thermal labels with the older Dymo pressed, squeeze to emboss, tape. I see those are still available too. I guess Dymo does make all kinds of stuff. | 19:07 |
| cousin_luigi | rwp: I read that Dymo ribbons come with DRM these days. | 19:15 |
| rwp | cousin_luigi, The classic embossed ones do not. You can join us in -offtopic to continue discussing the merits of them. :-) | 19:20 |
| cousin_luigi | rwp: Oh those. | 19:20 |
| debdog | cousin_luigi: what does DRM do in that context? | 19:24 |
| debdog | one cannot print things like "Black Sabbat – Paranoid" or such? | 19:25 |
| rwp | DRM for thermal printers is just like DRM for inkjet printers. Locks the printer to the vendor's own cartridge. And therefore includes all of the problems of printers rejecting vendors cartridges when the DRM chip fails and fails to validate it. | 19:27 |
| debdog | well, in that case, Dymo, that is not a bad thing. these labels are really good quality | 19:28 |
| debdog | they stick to almost everything | 19:29 |
| * cousin_luigi bought Brother instead | 19:33 | |
| debdog | hehe | 19:35 |
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