libera/#devuan/ Wednesday, 2024-02-21

u-amarsh04rwp - I wanted a system running unstable that kept working, therefore I manually added symbolic links from within /bin /lib /sbin to the corresponding files/directories inside /usr/bin /usr/lib and /usr/sbin04:02
u-amarsh04package usrmerge didn't like dealing with what I'd done so I'll do further manual work and hold back package base-files04:02
rwpI am in exactly the same place here too.04:06
rustyaxeThat was fun :(04:44
rustyaxei had to boot single user and do all sorts of stuff with my static busybox to get it bootable again after that upgrade ;)04:44
u-amarsh04I had to use the Devuan live bootable image to do fixes to make my machines bootable after /usrmerge made it impossible to do repairs on the installation it "updated"05:07
chomwittGoodmorning . In Daedalus i installed emacs from backports.But how should uninstall it? Because when i remove emacs i can still run emacs.10:02
chomwitti see emacs is a metapackage.10:04
chomwittbut shouldnt remove works likewise as install ?10:04
gnarfaceif chomwitt comes back, someone tell themto run "dpkg -l|grep emacs" and remove them all15:48
omniboygnarface, does it mean there are several versions there?16:22
gnarfaceomniboy: possibly, but not necessarily. multiple concurrent emacs versions are possible, but even if only one version is installed it's still typically split across several packages aside from the meta-package, and how many kindof depends a lot on how many extra features you wanted16:32
gnarfacefor example, there's several packages that are only to do with handling a GUI interface, and if you're running it on a system without X11 you don't need any of those. there's also a bunch of optional lisp extensions and even weirder stuff16:34
gnarfacelike this, for example: emacspeak - speech output interface to Emacs16:34
omniboyi see. thx16:35
gnarfaceover 134 packages in the repo match the substring "emacs" and most people will probably only ever use about 6 of them, but there's no way to tell how many chomwitt might have just based on that 1 complaint16:35
gnarfaceso, my guess is the user removed the emacs meta-package and was surprised to find that emacs was still present in full, but that's expected behavior16:37
gnarfaceomniboy: (and if you want to avoid most the extra stuff if you are running it on a headless machine or something like that, install the "emacs-nox" package instead)16:38
gnarfaceomniboy: (or if you just want something as light as vi but can't be arsed to retrain your muscle memory, install "mg" instead)16:39
rwpomniboy, For example emacs here: https://paste.debian.net/plain/130809616:41
rwpThe other thing to do is "apt-get autoremove --purge" and look to see what candidates are proposed.  Those are packages that were installed as dependencies but the package which pulled them in have been removed.  After removing emacs the dependent packages should be candidates for removing.  Unless they were installed specifically in which case they are manual installs rather than automatic installs.16:43
rwpSo...  The all in one command is "apt-get purge --autoremove emacs" and it will remove the emacs package and the six dependent packages that were automatically installed due to dependencies.16:44
rwpHowever if that is the first time you have ever run autoremove then there will be candidates from all of the other things that were only installed as a dependency and the main package was already removed too.16:45
omniboythank you guys16:59
rustyaxeanyone else having issues with bluetoothd crashing when sound devices are idle in testing? started perhaps a month ago, im sure its something small but not getting much useful details; workaround has been to play a looped wav of white noise at a tiny volume :P18:26
gnarfacerustyaxe: not using bluetooth here personally, but that sounds like the typical indicator of a power management problem, and i think you're not the first to complain about it in the past couple days18:48
gnarfacethe only thing i can suggest as a temporary workaround is to try disabling the power management18:49
rustyaxehmm will dig into pm, its just odd that bluetoothd segfaults18:51
ted-iousrustyaxe: Was that you who said you were playing an almost silent wav file in a loop to get your bluetooth speaker to stop shutting off?19:17
rustyaxeted-ious: yup; it sucks but it works20:07
rustyaxefirst tested with audacity on loop playing some white noise generated in it20:08
rrqdoesn't work sending silence?20:08
rustyaxedunno; i send white noise at such a low volume i dont notice it20:15
rustyaxekind actually makes me want to build some nice noise generators and put them throughout the house as it drowns out the outdoors noises :P20:15

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