| sfox | yeah, this works. | 00:07 |
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| sfox | cpan> force install gtk2::TrayIcon and then edit the debian/control to remove the perl-gtk2 dependency then build the package and install it | 00:07 |
| gnarface | sfox: ... good to know, you got it all running well on that neomagic video chip then? | 00:19 |
| plasma41 | sfox: see snapshot.debian.org for old versions of packages | 00:30 |
| gnarface | sfox: i'm still trying to rack my brain about why i didn't remember about that ~/.Xauthority cookie, but i may have been drunk last time i set that up... ssh makes everything easier | 01:14 |
| gnarface | XDMCP is completely new to me, never touched it, it seems weird that it would have any different performance though | 01:15 |
| rwp | I have not used it in some twenty years and then not really used it but XDMCP as I understand it was designed for thin client X-Terminals and if there is a fast LAN between client and server then the X performance was very good. Designed for 100Mbps networks it performed quite well on current 1000Mbps networks. It's really only a LAN utility because again it's from the days of no security by default. | 01:44 |
| rustyaxe | display resolutions got way bigger | 01:46 |
| rwp | That's true. Big then was 1280x1024, non-square though it was. | 01:49 |
| rustyaxe | i hope xrdp/freedp someday get h.264 in the server; its the one thing that keeps bringing me back to NoMachine | 01:52 |
| rwp | I almost never have a need for remote graphics these days. I simply use ssh and terminal tools everywhere. But I am looking at this because new small lightweight desktops can push 4x 4K displays for less than US$100 now with decent amount of RAM but almost no available storage. So, could I XDMCP a thin client X terminal machine with 4x displays? I have been considering it. | 01:54 |
| rwp | gotta run irl bbiab | 01:54 |
| gnarface | price:performance nothing beats a Steam Link when they're on sale for $5 (and yes, they do h.264) | 01:55 |
| gnarface | yikes, just had a bad Xorg crash based on... stale /dev/input/ entries or something? never seen this error before | 01:58 |
| gnarface | [2666922.965] (EE) client bug: Invalid path /dev/input/event27 | 01:58 |
| gnarface | [2666922.965] [dix] couldn't enable device 21 | 01:58 |
| gnarface | not sure if it's related, but there were a few of those before it just dumped me to a console right now | 01:59 |
| gnarface | [2666924.376] (EE) [libseat/backend/seatd.c:122] Could not flush connection: Broken pipe | 01:59 |
| gnarface | also this | 01:59 |
| gnarface | anyone seen that happen? suspect stale /dev/input entries i need to manually delete from back when i was using unstable udev.... | 01:59 |
| gnarface | brb | 01:59 |
| gnarface | well, that was a pretty weird Xorg crash, but there were xorg updates pending so i guess we'll see if that fixed it... | 02:18 |
| rwp | Sounds like a random glitch, a cosmic ray from space, a gremlin, a poltergheist, or something transient. | 02:50 |
| gnarface | most likely it was something thunderbird did that enlightenment didn't like, but as frequently as such things seem to happen i am no closer to isolating the cause | 02:52 |
| onefang | Something that gnarface doesn't understand??? I blame aliens. | 02:53 |
| gnarface | hehe | 02:53 |
| gnarface | you're probably right, it was probably aliens | 02:53 |
| sfox | gnarface, still having issues with the neomagic computer. I think it's due to some sort of abi incompatibility | 05:14 |
| sfox | i got it working an a amd64 laptop though | 05:14 |
| sfox | gnarface, XDMCP handles all the Xcookies and xauthority | 05:14 |
| sfox | rwp as long as your Xserver supports the Xinecara extension I don't see why not. Xinecara is the Xtension that implements multihead. | 05:16 |
| sfox | You could also run different Xservers for every display | 05:16 |
| gnarface | sfox: believable that if it's got too old of a Xorg version (or Xfree86 even) that might cause a compatibility issue | 05:27 |
| gnarface | you could always try the ffmpeg pipe thing | 05:27 |
| gnarface | the build in daedalus currently still says it supports XV | 05:29 |
| gnarface | i'm reasonably confident i could help with the command-line though i don't think have any comparable hardware around here to test with... not assembled anyway | 05:30 |
| rwp | sfox, I am running multi displays now with two but that's the limit of my current graphics adaptor. I was looking at a used HPt740 for example which had 4x DisplayPort outputs. But this is all OT for here. | 05:42 |
| sfox | not sure what netbsd 9.3 is using but NetBSD was the only OS that would install with a working Xserver on i386 real hardware not just a virtual machine | 05:58 |
| sfox | FreeBSD installs, but the Xserver won't work | 05:58 |
| sfox | Linux ... doesn't want to work | 05:58 |
| rwp | On a VM? What graphics emulator are you using? What's the errors in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file? | 06:00 |
| onefang | Linux runs fine on real 486 hardware at least. I have some that belongs to a client. Haven't tried Devuan on it though. | 06:11 |
| sfox | *runs | 06:20 |
| sfox | a lot of real i386 hardware getting modern operating systems on them is a lot harder then one would think | 06:21 |
| sfox | for example, on the i386 laptop freebsd segfaults if a pcmia card is installed while acpi is enabled. | 06:21 |
| sfox | i mean panics | 06:21 |
| sfox | most Linux installers won't even run at all on such limited hardware | 06:22 |
| avbox24 | I try to update from devuan 4 to 5, I always get libpam-modules error during dist-upgrade. Then it says debconf-2.0 would not be configured, but I don't find debconf-2.0, only 1.5.x. What to do? | 15:23 |
| gnarface | not sure exactly, but it's possible if you mixed repos or used backports that could happen | 15:24 |
| gnarface | usually you have to remove some stuff then re-add the right ones | 15:24 |
| gnarface | aptitude is usually more helpful here than apt/apt-get/apt-cache | 15:24 |
| gnarface | are you sure the sources.list is complete? | 15:25 |
| gnarface | another thing that might happen is if there were security updates for example but you were missing that line | 15:25 |
| avbox24 | gnarface: Thank you. Ok, from devuan 4 I had backports line, so I remove it, and I restart with old devuan 4 instance (it is all in an virtualized file). | 15:30 |
| avbox24 | Unfortunatelly, I did not help, I nevertheless get libpam0g error during dist-upgrade. It says libpam0g depends on debconf and that debconf would not be configured and debconf-2.0 would not be installed. | 15:50 |
| gnarface | try aptitude? | 15:51 |
| gnarface | it will suggest specific solutions | 15:51 |
| gnarface | it doesn't look like debconf-2.0 even exists, so that's suspect: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=debconf&x=submit | 15:53 |
| avbox24 | debconf-2.0 should be a "meta" package as you can choose from debconf and cdebconf | 15:54 |
| fsmithred | gnarface, if you search for debconf* then debconf-2.0 shows up, but it's not listed as being in any suites | 15:55 |
| gnarface | ah, i see | 15:55 |
| fsmithred | maybe install debconf=<version>\ | 15:58 |
| fsmithred | debconf=1.5.82 for daedalus | 15:59 |
| avbox24 | When I install it with dpkg -i debconf_1.5.82_all.deb I stell get the error | 16:02 |
| fsmithred | aptitude safe-upgrade maybe? | 16:09 |
| fsmithred | and then if that works, dist-upgrade | 16:09 |
| avbox24 | fsmithred: Ok, I will start again (needs some minutes) | 16:10 |
| fsmithred | Another possibility is the nuclear option: remove libpam0g. In my case, that would take openssh-server with it. | 16:19 |
| fsmithred | and then add it in after the upgrade. But I really don't understand why you're having this problem. It's not one that I've heard about. | 16:20 |
| avbox24 | safe-upgrade did not report any issues, so I again start apt dist-upgrade. | 16:26 |
| avbox24 | So, I still have this nasty thing, I see that it starts with: BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base/overload.pm line 5, after it I get a lot of: BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base/overload.pm line 5. | 16:39 |
| avbox24 | Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Template.pm line 346. | 16:39 |
| avbox24 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Template.pm line 346. | 16:39 |
| OwlWizard | hi | 17:23 |
| avbox24 | I don't still have a solution for upgrade from devuan 4 to 5? It looks like the perl installation is broken and so debconf. Any ideas? | 18:50 |
| ted-ious | avbox24: Did aptitude safe-upgrade fix anything? | 18:57 |
| rwp | avbox24, I wasn't following what you have written before but let me recommend that I wrote up a long article on how *I* do upgrades. https://www.proulx.com/~bob/doc/bobs-guide-to-system-upgrades-with-debian/bobs-guide-to-system-upgrades-with-debian.html | 18:57 |
| rwp | Maybe something in there will connect the dots and help with your upgrade problems? | 18:58 |
| avbox24 | No aptitude safe-upgrade did not fix anythin, but it reported too no errors | 18:58 |
| avbox24 | rwp: Thank you, sounds a good information, I will go through it. | 19:00 |
| rwp | I have been able to upgrade from 4 to 5 with problems only on the XFCE packages, which are buggy, but they do work anyway, not a showstopper, just very annoying. I now purge xfce entirely before the upgrade and then install it again afterwards, but it still has bugs surrounding /etc/xfce* conffiles intermingled with alternatives even on a pristine install. | 19:01 |
| rwp | I haven't written up anything about the problems I have with xfce conffiles and alternatives symlinks because it confuses me too but they have intermingled them and that just makes for a confusing mess of alternatives now named .dpkg-new and such that should not be happening. | 19:02 |
| rwp | Things still work regardless though and so it's not a showstopper. It's just a mess. It's an example where things can be a mess, but continue to work, and so things don't actually get fixed, until someone decides to work through the problems and give it some attention. | 19:03 |
| rwp | Look at the time! I have to run off. | 19:03 |
| avbox24 | I think it is a confict of the old perl 5.32 and 5.36. Installing debconf with dpkg -i debconf... does tell me that libperl5.32:amd64 is not available, but after installing 5.36 it should not complain about anythin in 5.32. | 19:04 |
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