| gnarface | avbox24: congrats, glad you got it working! | 02:52 |
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| eyalroz | "Debian has implemented merged /usr using symlinked aliases.... Devuan does not have the resources to resist this change." <- Why would Devuan want to resist this change? It's orthogonal to the use of systemd, isn't it? | 19:59 |
| CueXXIII | not really, systemd was the first initsystem that failed to start without /usr mounted, afair | 20:04 |
| eyalroz | CueXXIII: I think you're kind of reaching here... | 20:15 |
| eyalroz | or are you saying that what we should expect is a usrmerge in the other direction, so that / is always sufficient to boot? | 20:16 |
| CueXXIII | nah, whatever direction it is merged does not matter | 20:17 |
| CueXXIII | i was saying that systemd was the first to require /usr by not putting required files into / | 20:18 |
| CueXXIII | and when you require /usr anyways and don't care aout wich files should be in / to boot, the split becomes not useful anymore | 20:19 |
| CueXXIII | ah, the reason systemd failed was because it wanted 3rd party libraries that usually were not installed into / and nobody wanted to manage all dependencies | 20:32 |
| ted-ious | So instead of fixing their code for the tiny piece of the world it affected they decided that the rest of the world needed to change. | 20:34 |
| eyalroz | CueXXIII: Ah, ok, I see what you mean. I wish the "latest news" blurb explained that point | 20:34 |
| eyalroz | Personally, I'm mostly for the merge on principle, regardless of the init system. But - only to the other side. i.e. just cancel /usr altogether (gradually). | 20:57 |
| debdog | that's Darwinian evolutionary thinking. like, people are tought DNA evolutes with time, getting better. but then cro magnon man had a bigger jaw and hence prolly no problems with wisdom teeth. | 21:10 |
| debdog | same with the unix philosophy. inventors had a reason to do things they did but youngsters think they know better. mayhap just because they don't have the full picture | 21:10 |
| debdog | also, NEVER TOUCH A RUNNING SYSTEM | 21:12 |
| hagbard | If a system is still running, it isn't optimized enough. | 21:13 |
| debdog | hrrhrr | 21:14 |
| debdog | s/evulotes/evolves/ | 21:19 |
| eyalroz | debdog: But the reasons may become irrelevant over time. If you just assume there must have been a reason, that's the like the "monkeys and banana" experiment: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/6828/was-the-experiment-with-five-monkeys-a-ladder-a-banana-and-a-water-spray-condu | 21:37 |
| debdog | exactly | 21:38 |
| ted-ious | Monkeys do not put their documentation into version control. :) | 21:40 |
| sfox | stack overflow think's i'm a robot | 21:46 |
| ted-ious | Are you using tor? | 21:50 |
| debdog | almost any second captcha thinks I am a bot, what's special about tha?! | 21:51 |
| hagbard | Nowadays we need bots to solve captchas, as they have become to difficult for humans to solve. | 21:54 |
| |cos| | stackoverflow asks for captcha every second question or so, without tor. that's normal. | 21:55 |
| debdog | please, someone give me a reason not to go full into sarcasm mode, hehe | 21:55 |
| debdog | wait, are we OT? | 21:56 |
| golinux | ?me sighs . . . | 21:56 |
| * golinux sighs | 21:57 | |
| debdog | heehee | 21:57 |
| CueXXIII | oh, and /usr originally was the partition for the user data and all system data and programs were at /. at least in bell labs unix it was | 23:02 |
| debdog | hehe, sounds like a myth | 23:05 |
| debdog | anywho, OT! | 23:05 |
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