Wikiwide | Uptime: 22h, so far. So will not have a fresh, out of the charger battery (for kernel power upgrade from v52 to v53) until a few hours later. | 05:02 |
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brolin_empey | Maxdamantus: ACK re: BL-5J. | 17:58 |
brolin_empey | For how long are new lithium-ion batteries in proprietary form factors, such as those used by Nokia and Samsung, usually made? I wonder if new batteries for the HTC Dream, the first commercially available computer running Android, from 2008 are still available. | 18:02 |
brolin_empey | I now have an LG G5 running Android OS 8 but unrooted but I cannot move my SIM to it from my Galaxy Note 3 until I convert my microSIM to a nanoSIM. | 18:06 |
brolin_empey | I do not see any HTC Dream battery (on its own, not included with the computer) on eBay nor my local Craigslist. | 18:21 |
KotCzarny | go buy next phone even more limited | 18:24 |
KotCzarny | sponsor those who make them | 18:24 |
KotCzarny | then come to old phone channel and complain? | 18:24 |
brolin_empey | Never mind, I tried different key words on eBay and found new batteries for the HTC Dream for as little as 5 CAD including shipping: | 18:36 |
brolin_empey | https://www.ebay.ca/itm/HTC-DREA160-3-7v-1150mAh-Lithium-Ion-Battery-for-HTC-G1-Black/223310218238?hash=item33fe5383fe:g:nzoAAOSw7wFcLoST:rk:1:pf:0 | 18:36 |
sixwheeledbeast | More chance of a user replaceable battery being manufactured for longer. | 18:46 |
Wikiwide | Kernel power upgrade from v52 to v53: The following packages will be REMOVED: kernel-module-cifs libomxil-ti-components omap3430-dsp-baseimage-ti omap3430-dsp-libraries-ti | 21:27 |
Wikiwide | Is it fine? | 21:27 |
Wikiwide | Darn /usr/bin/JoikuSpot_Bouncer.ko , interrupting installation with a broken pipe due to trying to overwrite the file... | 21:34 |
Wikiwide | libqt4-bearer-hotfix | 21:37 |
Wikiwide | This GUI "asker" doesn't say new version of kernel correctly. It does say that I have v52, but it says that it's going to install something simple, not v53 | 21:43 |
Wikiwide | Ah, it's double question. If user agrees to flash a simple image, then a second or two later he gets a second question, to flash v53 image. At least, it seems to work, now. | 21:49 |
Wikiwide | But SIGTERM received after Leaving update mode. Is it normal? | 21:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yoghurt sport really now? | 22:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | isn't that obsolete since ages already? | 22:17 |
KotCzarny | people collect weirder stuff | 22:18 |
Wikiwide | What's weirder, the diversion for it was written under certman | 22:21 |
Wikiwide | libmaemosec-certman0 | 22:35 |
Wikiwide | /usr/bin/JoikuSpot_Bouncer.ko | 22:35 |
Wikiwide | /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/JoikuSpot_Bouncer.ko | 22:35 |
Wikiwide | In short, there should be a nicer way than that to connect modules to kernel | 22:37 |
Wikiwide | date still disregards GUI timezone entirely | 22:43 |
sixwheeledbeast | messybox? | 23:06 |
Wikiwide | No idea. Might be somewhat similar to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=225 | 23:06 |
DocScrutinizer05 | >> So *maybe* the environment within the desktop application is running with a wrong timezone.<< | 23:12 |
DocScrutinizer05 | environment settings in maemo are tricky | 23:12 |
sixwheeledbeast | would the date binary be in messybox :thinks: | 23:13 |
sixwheeledbeast | ~pkg | 23:15 |
infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 23:15 |
Wikiwide | Yes, time binary is from busybox | 23:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | https://pastebin.com/N4dUYtcF | 23:18 |
Wikiwide | tzconfig, just like date, persists with Lord Howe Island timezone, disregarding Settings->Date and time | 23:18 |
sixwheeledbeast | So it's currently zulu +10.5? not Zulu +11? | 23:22 |
Wikiwide | Yes. So date shows one thing, and clock shows another. | 23:23 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pretty sure maemo doesn't care about $TZ $LC_ALL etc | 23:24 |
Wikiwide | tzconfig seems to be getting it from /etc/localtime somehow | 23:24 |
KotCzarny | there are few libc implementations | 23:24 |
KotCzarny | glibc, busybox's one, uclibc etc | 23:24 |
DocScrutinizer05 | though https://termbin.com/wzxi set|grep '^LC'|nc termbin.com 9999 | 23:25 |
Wikiwide | Problem is, date's half-an-hour ahead of reality time gets used by other things, such as, phone call log. Very inconvenient. | 23:25 |
Wikiwide | I have everything en_AU except for LC_MESSAGES and LC_TIME, which are en_GB | 23:27 |
Wikiwide | Lord Howe comes from readlink /etc/localtime | 23:30 |
sixwheeledbeast | Isn't /etc/localtime normally a symlink to /usr/share/zoneinfo/foo/bar ? | 23:30 |
Wikiwide | Yes, it is. But why is it a symlink to Lord Howe, and not to Adelaide or Sydney or whatever? Why does a change in GUI settings fail to affect date and tzconfig and localtime? | 23:32 |
DocScrutinizer05 | maemo is special, don't get fooled | 23:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | particularly around everything time, quite a few things work different than you'd expect assuming maemo was debian or ubuntu | 23:34 |
Wikiwide | Is it even typical for maemo to have /etc/localtime symlink, or is it usually falling back onto some other mechanism for timezones? | 23:34 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ | 23:34 |
DocScrutinizer05 | check "set time: automatic" in settings, which not only adjusts system clock but also timezone according to what the cellular network says | 23:35 |
DocScrutinizer05 | as long as you didn't mess up stuff by using standard debian means to alter it | 23:36 |
Wikiwide | Hmm, I used tzconfig to set timezone to Adelaide. That's a patchy fix - I don't get why GUI didn't work, and I don't get why Sydney cellular network pretends it's Adelaide - but at least, it's consistent. | 23:38 |
DocScrutinizer05 | it's quite possible the symlink (if there's any, even) points to one particular file statically and when TZ gets changed by maemo stuff then the *content* of the file gets changed | 23:38 |
DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe this is total BS I just made up | 23:38 |
Wikiwide | Nay, symlink pointed to Lord Howe, not to a statical hold-anything file | 23:39 |
Wikiwide | Now it points to Adelaide | 23:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 2019-02-25 22:32 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin | 23:39 |
Wikiwide | Yes, problem is, GUI changes didn't change date or tzconfig or localtime, whether they were manual or automatic | 23:40 |
Wikiwide | GUI is probably broken. Which sounds weird | 23:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 842 2015-02-28 19:16 /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin | 23:41 |
sixwheeledbeast | Time zones make no sense over there anyway... | 23:41 |
sixwheeledbeast | Brizzy ignore DST, some have half hour DST shift. o.O | 23:41 |
Wikiwide | Aka applet-datetime | 23:42 |
Wikiwide | Where does control panel log errors from its applets? | 23:44 |
sixwheeledbeast | Setting my device to automatic never seems to fix the time/date. | 23:44 |
Wikiwide | sixwheeledbeast: does 'date' at least change its output when you change timezone in Settings? | 23:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: depends on network providing the info afaik | 23:46 |
Wikiwide | It provides info, just, the timezone is 'Adelaide', in Sydney ;-) | 23:47 |
Wikiwide | That's critical infrastructure. If trains go mad (say, one train has one time, another train has a different time - depending on which cellular provider is for which train, or which software the train is using; they try to run by timetable, and collide head-on) | 23:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pretty sure trains are not supposed to use cellphones as timer normal | 23:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | can't speak for Australia | 23:50 |
Wikiwide | Hopefully not. But GPS and cellular chips are very close to each other, and using GPS for time is common. | 23:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | here you get lynched for doing this | 23:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | GPS time is pretty unrelated to cellular | 23:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | however maemo might actually use GPS when celular signal not available | 23:51 |
Wikiwide | Yes, but what if GPS signal isn't locked yet?.. Or is GPS time much faster to get than GPS almanach? | 23:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | you get a first fix within iirc 45s | 23:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | even without almanach | 23:52 |
Wikiwide | And, GPS doesn't provide a timezone. I think. | 23:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | no, only coords ;-D | 23:52 |
Wikiwide | So, where do trains get timezone from? | 23:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | from their own signaling & communications infra? | 23:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | they neither use cellphones tzo talk to next station | 23:54 |
DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, not public cellphone networks, thjey got their own | 23:54 |
Wikiwide | Communications infra? Is it cellular, or something else (wires, radio, something)? | 23:54 |
Wikiwide | Well, their own are probably better configured. | 23:54 |
sixwheeledbeast | /etc/localtime symlink changes when you change the timezone with the clock. I have 9.55 in Sydney | 23:55 |
sixwheeledbeast | date is the same as clock | 23:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | often at 400some MHz | 23:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | 2G | 23:56 |
* DocScrutinizer05 wouldn't be surprised to learn messybox-extended or whatever the name is messing up all environment using some chenged ~/.profile or .bashrc or whatever during system boot | 23:58 | |
DocScrutinizer05 | I recommended to NEVER change the system messybox since it's used during boot incl all flaws and glitches it has | 23:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nobody listened | 23:59 |
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