libera/##covid-19/ Saturday, 2023-03-18

BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: JWeiland (@JPWeiland): Short-term forecast for the US looking good!  XBB.1.5 is receding with nothing to take it's place in the near term, with new yearly lows expected in the next ~month.The influx of temperate weather will also help drive cases down. pic.twitter.com/aEBIZr4tbi → https://twitter.com/JPWeiland/status/163686045610192076800:02
BrainstormUpdates for Serbia: +960 cases, +4 deaths, +7135 tests since a day ago — Spain: +4696 cases, +254 deaths since 6 days ago00:10
BrainstormNew from The Lancet: [Obituary] Samuel Lawrence Katz: Paediatrician, virologist, and co-developer of measles vaccine. Born in Manchester, NH, USA, on May 29, 1927, he died in Chapel Hill, NC, USA, on Oct 31, 2022 aged 95 years. → https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)00498-1/fulltext00:48
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD   (@michaelzlin): One should consider the presence of animal DNA on animal cages a positive control for the PCR working. I guess it validates those samples as coming from their advertised location, so that's good. But it's not new info. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/163689596399770419302:06
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD   (@michaelzlin): Sure would be nice if our next PCR positive control can get stories in @TheAtlantic and @nytimes too. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/163689831014872268802:16
LjLhttps://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/11tkn3o/increased_vaccine_sensitivity_of_an_emerging/02:47
LjL"This is really interesting. Is it essentially saying that as most people get Covid over and over and over again, the selective pressure shifts from evading vaccine-induced immunity to evading infection-induced immunity, and a byproduct of that may be that our vaccines (assuming they continue to be taken by relatively few people) may actually work better again?"02:47
BrainstormUpdates for Norway: +93 cases since 23 hours ago03:04
de-factoHmm is infection induced immunity sharing as much similarity among those that carry it as it would be the case with vaccine induced immunity?04:57
BrainstormNew from This Week In Virology: TWiV 992: Clinical update with Dr. Daniel Griffin: In his weekly clinical update, Dr. Griffin discusses clearance of longstanding, immune-deficiency-associated, vaccine-derived poliovirus infection following remdesivir therapy for chronic SARS-CoV-2 infection, SARS-CoV-2 exposure in New York City rats, [... want %more?] → https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-992/05:20
BrainstormUpdates for Germany: +5540 cases, +82 deaths since 20 hours ago05:59
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | March 18, 2023: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/11uh08f/daily_discussion_thread_march_18_2023/08:03
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): The Private Group Where Parents Give Ivermectin to Kids With AutismI have been applying Ivermectin liquid to my granddaughter’s feet, belly button, and swabbing her ears for six weeks now. She complains of sporadic blurry vision and sometimes [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/163700776793106022409:30
BrainstormNew from r/Science: science: Polio Cases Derived From New Oral Vaccine Reported For First Time → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/11uihu8/polio_cases_derived_from_new_oral_vaccine/09:50
BrainstormUpdates for India: +843 cases, +4 deaths, +98727 tests since a day ago10:09
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Cognitive impairment in people with previous COVID-19 infection: A scoping review → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/11ujn8s/cognitive_impairment_in_people_with_previous/10:48
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: (translated) Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): If you really don't know anything about biology, have no knowledge about the immune system, how vaccines work, what mRNA is, etc. then you come up with this kind of total nonsense. And that's in the TK? It is unbelievable. twitter.com/conspiracyremover… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/163702963685596364910:57
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Are covered faces eye-catching for us? The impact of masks on attentional processing of self and other faces during the COVID-19 pandemic → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/11ulftc/are_covered_faces_eyecatching_for_us_the_impact/12:16
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: A neural signature of exposure to masked faces after 18 months of COVID-19 → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/11ulj42/a_neural_signature_of_exposure_to_masked_faces/12:25
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Note also that in vitro neutralization assays are important but do not reflect a much broader immune response in vivo, including the important and very quick T cell response, that will remain in place. Other antibodies do make important virus-clearing contributions. → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/163705658822035865712:44
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Lastly, although neutralizing antibodies are evaded: that does NOT mean absent. Those that do bind may be limited, but outgrow very quickly. New antibodies, with already present T cell help, will be made and old ones adjusted.Do refrain from spreading scare stories. → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/163705658970522829212:54
BrainstormNew from Retraction Watch: Weekend reads: ‘Strife at eLife’; fraudulent science at Monsanto; cats and chatbots writing papers: Would you consider a donation to support Weekend Reads, and our daily work? The week at Retraction Watch [... want %more?] → https://retractionwatch.com/2023/03/18/weekend-reads-strife-at-elife-fraudulent-science-at-monsanto-cats-and-chatbots-writing-papers/13:43
BrainstormUpdates for Russia: +13009 cases, +32 deaths since 23 hours ago14:06
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Severity and geographical disparities of post-COVID-19 symptoms among the Vietnamese general population: a national evaluation → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/11uoewf/severity_and_geographical_disparities_of/14:31
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Researchers Are Getting Closer to Learning How to Treat and Prevent Long COVID → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/11uoo5q/researchers_are_getting_closer_to_learning_how_to/14:41
BrainstormUpdates for Indonesia: +355 cases, +1 deaths since a day ago15:08
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Long-covid symptoms are less common now than earlier in the pandemic → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/11upau8/longcovid_symptoms_are_less_common_now_than/15:58
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): XBB.1.9 extending the current XBB.1.5 wave a bit in Western Europe. And after that XBB.1.16 looks like it will be next... twitter.com/JosetteSchoenm… → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/163712111469752320017:04
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): ‘It’s inexcusable.’ WHO blasts China for not disclosing potential data on COVID-19’s origin science.org/content/articl… → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/163713085403077017717:43
-Bridgestorm- ⭕ Sismo! Earthquake! 6.6 Mi tremor, registered by PT,alomax, occurred 13 minutes ago (17:12:54 UTC), during daytime, Naranjal, Ecuador (-2.77, -79.58) ± 5 km, ↓74 km likely felt 410 km away (in Guayaquil, Cuenca, Durán, Milagro…) by 4.3 million people https://twitter.com/BrainstormBot/status/1636843832787582978 (earthquake.usgs.gov)18:26
-Bridgestorm- ⭕ Sismo! Earthquake! 6.8 Mww tremor, registered by US, occurred 38 minutes ago (17:12:52 UTC), during daytime, Baláo, Ecuador (-2.83, -79.86), ↓66 km likely felt 460 km away (in Guayaquil, Durán, Cuenca, Milagro…) by 4.3 million people https://twitter.com/BrainstormBot/status/1636843832787582978 (earthquake.usgs.gov)18:51
ublx^ 'It’s inexcusable.'  -  animal genetic material and sars-cov-2 genetic material. discovered in an animal market. in wuhan20:25
ublxthis is news how exactly? what am i missing?20:25
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Three years into the pandemic, it’s clear COVID won’t fix itself. Here’s what we need to focus on next → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/11uvzd1/three_years_into_the_pandemic_its_clear_covid/20:26
LjLublx, it's all a silly dance to "prove" it's a lab leak vs it's not a lab leak20:27
LjLnobody has actual evidence20:28
LjLbut the camps are very loud and outraged anyway20:28
LjLmeanwhile Fauci said that if it were a virus that a researcher got from a bat cave, then took to a laboratory, then infected others with20:28
LjLthat would still be classified as a natural event, as no GoF or other research would have been conducted, it simply "happened" to occur in a lab20:29
LjLsurely a definition of "natural event" that i bet many billions of people would take issue with, but who am i to know20:29
ublxa researcher (unnamed) for a group (unnamed) discovered the data (apparently recently) in a GISAID database where it had been deposited 8 months ago20:34
ublx"The samples do not prove the pandemic began at the market, but the research team (unnamed) that contacted WHO says they offer support for the theory that the virus likely jumped from animals there into humans."20:35
ublxhow does finding animal genetic material in an animal market suggest anything? other than that there were animals in the animal market?20:35
ublxsars-cov-2 genetic found in extremely crowded urban congruence in wuhan. i am shocked. i had no idea wuhan featured in the covid story. this is truly astonishing20:37
LjLublx, there is stuff that's a little more refined, now i don't remember how to get to the URL but i saw a discussion of the initial clusters and which parts of the city they covered, and how they were centered around the market, with neat maps20:39
LjLstill might be bollocks, but you're probably making it even more so for comedic effect20:40
ublxthe timing is curious. why foreground this now? if the story had substance i'd expect the substance to be included in the reports20:41
ublxit strikes me as horseshit. horseshit appearing while US-china relations deteriorate precipitously20:42
ublxbut that couldn't be related could it because the WHO is an international non-partisan agency20:43
ublxjust a coincidence i guess20:43
ublxi guess some citations of substance will appear sooner or later to clear all this up20:44
ublxthe link to the previous day's science.org article seems more substantively descriptive and includes names of researchers: https://www.science.org/content/article/covid-19-origins-missing-sequences20:55
ublxbut it contains this oddity: ".. the data’s discovery and subsequent disappearance will certainly raise questions .. But Andersen and his colleagues hope Gao’s team will now make the sequences widely available. “We have urged China CDC and our colleagues there to release this data as soon as possible,” he says."20:57
ublxwhy urge China's CDC to (re)release the data as soon as possible? didn't you download the data?20:58
ublxoh apparently they did: "Michael Worobey, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Arizona who was a lead author of one of the papers, says he and his collaborators are still analyzing the new genetic information, ..."20:58
ublx"Débarre and colleagues plan to post a report of their findings once their analysis is complete, but they hope the Chinese researchers will revise their preprint to include the full sequence data from the Huanan market and repost it first."21:02
ublxwelp, looking forward to that21:02
LjL<ublx> the timing is curious. why foreground this now? if the story had substance i'd expect the substance to be included in the reports ← because it happened to be now that this US agency has pushed lab leak again, duh21:06
ublxwell, yeah, that too21:06
ublxactually probably that more than anything i guess21:08
BrainstormNew from ##covid-19 Zotero group: Unearthed genetic sequences from China market may point to animal origin of COVID-19: Type Web Page URL https://www.science.org/content/article/covid-19-origins-missing-sequences Accessed 2023-03-18 20:08:48 Language en Abstract French scientist finds previously undisclosed data from [... want %more?] → https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/QPB66GBS21:15

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