| ham5urg | I just started to use xfce4 and I like it. It has better responsivness if I had to tell. | 00:37 |
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| blockhead | xfce is fun to make themes for, also | 00:38 |
| ham5urg | Is there a way to change the color-heat. I would like to have a yellow-ish screen an nighttimes. | 00:39 |
| blockhead | i remember hearing about a program called soething like red shift, it did that, i think? | 00:39 |
| blockhead | google or whatever could tell you more than i could | 00:40 |
| ham5urg | Found this: https://www.xfce-look.org/p/998916/ | 00:42 |
| ham5urg | But I would stick to the devuan-repo. | 00:42 |
| Hydragyrum | redshift does let you do some things like that, I don't know if it can yellow instead of red | 00:42 |
| ham5urg | redshift is nice. | 00:43 |
| ham5urg | But it uses something on the network. | 00:43 |
| blockhead | i wonder if xgamma and a bash script or cron job could achieve the same effect? | 00:44 |
| sgage | Redshift works great for me - been using it a long time. | 00:51 |
| Hydragyrum | xgamma sounds like it could do it -- never used it myself but seems fine | 00:57 |
| * blockhead likes simple commnd-line utilities | 00:58 | |
| ham5urg | When I ever booted Ubuntu on a laptop, the battery drains at least 20% faster. | 01:05 |
| blockhead | two graphics cards? | 01:06 |
| Xenguy | sgage, redshift makes it easier on the eyes, is that the idea? | 01:13 |
| Xenguy | Curious also whether you use a GUI with that, or just run it from CLI? | 01:13 |
| sgage | Xenguy, you can do it either way. Redshift is a daemon, but redshift-gtk gives you a gui. | 01:15 |
| sgage | yes, it makes it much easier on my old eyes. | 01:15 |
| sgage | it's very, very fine-tuneable, too. but if you set up a .config/redshift.conf, | 01:16 |
| sgage | there's no need for any gui. | 01:16 |
| sgage | actually, the gui is very simple - all the fine tuning is done by editing the conf file. | 01:18 |
| golinux | But it's so . . . r e d | 01:19 |
| ham5urg | blockhead, no, just simple Intel-Laptops with much RAM. | 01:20 |
| Xenguy | sgage, huh, thanks for the info. Might give it a whirl sometime | 01:21 |
| Xenguy | Probably just stick with the config file in that case | 01:21 |
| sgage | golinux, you can make it very subtle, and actually change how it changes color. | 01:23 |
| sgage | it really is quite configurable. | 01:24 |
| rwp | Redshift is really supposed to be not-blue. Blue being bad for circadian rhythms of trying to sleep at night. | 01:24 |
| sgage | right now, redshift is in effect, and the effect is not 'red'. it's nice. | 01:25 |
| Xenguy | sgage, Tell me that it is light on resource usage too : -) | 01:27 |
| sgage | let me see... | 01:28 |
| sgage | redshift, the daemon, uses 4.5 MB. redshift, the gui uses another 53.8. | 01:29 |
| Xenguy | Seems well behaved then | 01:30 |
| sgage | all the gui does is put an applet in the panel and allow you to turn it on and off. | 01:30 |
| sgage | I have found it so. The conf file really is comprehensive. I don't understand half of it :-) | 01:31 |
| golinux | I once installed it just out of curiosity. Didn't last more than a few minutes and was gone. | 01:51 |
| sgage | i think the defaults are perhaps a bit extreme :-) But it is so easily tweakable. | 01:57 |
| sgage | I wouldn't be without it - my eyes would burn. | 01:57 |
| fsmithred | thanks for reminding me to start darkening my desktop | 02:42 |
| fsmithred | I don't let redshift run automatically. I set it (semi)manually with a script. | 02:43 |
| fsmithred | redshift -o -P -O "$TEMP" -b "0.${BRIGHT}" | 02:44 |
| Xenguy | I had no idea there was this community of redshift users, right in our midst : -) | 03:00 |
| Xenguy | Only heard of it today | 03:01 |
| fsmithred | I think a few people posted their scripts on the forum. | 03:12 |
| fsmithred | I'll find a link. | 03:12 |
| fsmithred | or not. | 03:22 |
| rrq | perhaps the earlist was https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1454#1454 | 03:28 |
| fsmithred | that's probably the one I was thinking of, but I guess I remember it differently. | 03:33 |
| Xenguy | Thanks folks | 03:36 |
| rrq | most recently https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3420 | 03:37 |
| rrq | all in all there are 15 topics mentioning redshift | 03:38 |
| Xenguy | Wow | 03:38 |
| rrq | four of them have redshift in the subject | 03:38 |
| Xenguy | Odd, you'd think mentioning the keyword in the subject field might be a good idea | 03:48 |
| blockhead | too radical, too extreme ;) | 03:49 |
| Xenguy | "So Nineties" , hahah | 03:50 |
| Xenguy | Oops, the slippery OT slope! | 03:50 |
| blockhead | well, redshift is part of debian/devuan I would guess? (guess becuase I don't actually use it myself) | 03:51 |
| * rrq reminds me that that "search" feature of the forum could well benefit from a little bit of gilding | 03:52 | |
| Xenguy | It's in the repo, I checked | 03:52 |
| golinux | rrq: Yes, it is quite crude | 03:59 |
| golinux | Doesn't do phrases iirc. | 04:00 |
| golinux | and no regex | 04:00 |
| lfluffywof | I wish ebay's search let you use regexes... they don't even let you use wildcards anymore. but at least it's ten thousand times better than amazon's! | 04:05 |
| _ds_ | If they did that, it wouldn't be long before somebody tried an extremely computationally-intensive one… | 04:09 |
| onefang | Unless ebay is running on Devuan, that's #devuan-offtopic. | 04:10 |
| gour | morning. my sound setting are reset each day when i boot my desktop machine and wonder how to make changes permanent? | 08:07 |
| debdog | gour: probably missing package alsa-utils | 08:09 |
| gour | debdog: alsa-utils is installed. anything else? | 09:38 |
| * gour is using ceres | 09:38 | |
| debdog | gour: not from the top of my head. look in /etc/init.d/alsa-utils what it's supposed to do. check log whether it's executed during shutdown/reboot and startup | 09:46 |
| debdog | also, are we talking alsa or pulseaudio sound? | 09:49 |
| gour | pulse | 09:49 |
| debdog | sorry no clue | 09:50 |
| chomwitt | good morning.. devuan rocks | 11:45 |
| chomwitt | i have it in my pc for two months with LXQT , and as a small vps. | 11:46 |
| chomwitt | sorry , i should say devuan+runit+LXQt. | 11:46 |
| gnarface | congrats, chomwitt | 12:34 |
| ham5urg | Yes, chomwitt, I have a similar experience. I switched from Devuan+Gnome to Devuan+Xfce. I was many years with Gnome but Wayland is a desertland. | 13:39 |
| ham5urg | I tested the battery drain laptops with Ubuntu+Gnome, Devuan+Gnome, Devuan+Xfce. I would approximate that there is a 25% less battery-drain with every combination. | 13:40 |
| ham5urg | with laptops* | 13:40 |
| chomwitt | Well, i had year debian + kde . The problem is.. that added functionality hits back many times with issues so complex that leave you to unmaintained land.. | 14:19 |
| chomwitt | year-years | 14:19 |
| chomwitt | i think some times in libreland we want to flight.. but alas it resembles the icarus one. | 14:20 |
| chomwitt | Anyway the battery-drain is maybe another syptom of overdoing it in not so rock foundations | 14:22 |
| chomwitt | i guess your are referring to drain from casual usage and not idle | 14:24 |
| ham5urg | chomwitt, yes, casual usage, office work. | 14:27 |
| buZz | chomwitt / ham5urg ; its the old intel-microsoft law | 14:59 |
| buZz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_and_Bill%27s_law | 15:00 |
| buZz | basically 'any faster cpus we will get, will only make software complexer to the point that you wont notice them getting faster, ever' | 15:00 |
| buZz | which is why i run fluxbox as WM, no DE at all | 15:00 |
| blockhead | the thing is, are CPUs getting faster any more? | 15:04 |
| buZz | look at raw math, not gaming fps or windows startup speeds | 15:07 |
| chomwitt | i think the trend is to add more transistors each year | 15:08 |
| buZz | more transistors is more complexity | 15:08 |
| * blockhead ponders speed of light and size of chip | 15:08 | |
| buZz | not more sophistication | 15:08 |
| buZz | every added instruction adds thousands if not millions of transistors | 15:08 |
| buZz | AMD and intel both keep adding them like no tomorrow | 15:08 |
| buZz | x86 is dead since IBM AT | 15:08 |
| buZz | we are just beating a dead horse because 'we already invested into it' | 15:09 |
| * onefang thinks this conversation is getting more #devuan-offtopic. | 15:09 | |
| blockhead | we? | 15:09 |
| blockhead | onefang - sorry | 15:09 |
| buZz | blockhead: yeah, how many ARM desktops do you have? | 15:09 |
| buZz | oh, derp | 15:09 |
| buZz | i confused this channel for ##hardware | 15:09 |
| _ds_ | buZz, some of us have used (and still own) ARM desktop boxes – old Acorn hardware | 15:53 |
| buZz | :) yeah | 15:53 |
| _ds_ | Not going to get Devuan, or anything even remotely recent (except, perhaps, updated RISC OS builds), running on them… | 15:56 |
| gour | i want to creat a new association for certain types of files to be opened with specific apps using certain argument. what tools are avaialble for such task? | 16:41 |
| gnarface | shell alias or wrapper script | 16:44 |
| gnarface | stock bash features | 16:44 |
| gour | gnarface: well, i'd nee that it works via xdg-open mechanism | 16:45 |
| gour | like clickable links | 16:45 |
| gnarface | dunno enough about xdg stuff sorry | 16:46 |
| gnarface | sounds like you're looking for a feature built into those tools though | 16:46 |
| gour | so, i0m thinking about some xdg-utils helper | 16:46 |
| gour | yeag, but they're, like many other things, not very user-friendly | 16:47 |
| _ds_ | https://github.com/dsalt/xkcd-uri may be helpful | 17:07 |
| chomwitt | i've installed a kde utility in Chimaera Filelight and it messed my default filebrowser. No when in others programs i click a button filelights opens! | 17:09 |
| chomwitt | i have LXQt as desktop | 17:09 |
| gnarface | i think you can change it through the alternatives estup | 17:09 |
| gnarface | setup* | 17:09 |
| chomwitt | i can find the relevant link group | 17:10 |
| chomwitt | cant | 17:10 |
| gnarface | apt-cache showpkg [package name] | 17:10 |
| gnarface | it should be the value of the what provides header | 17:10 |
| chomwitt | that header is blank | 17:12 |
| gnarface | odd | 17:12 |
| chomwitt | x-window-manager maybe is the related linkgroup | 17:14 |
| gnarface | i don't think that'd be the file browser | 17:14 |
| gnarface | that's the actual thing drawing all the window controls | 17:14 |
| gnarface | i would guess it would start with x- though | 17:14 |
| chomwitt | There is only one alternative in link group x-window-manager | 17:15 |
| chomwitt | nop | 17:15 |
| chomwitt | yep , you are rigth.. i want file manager.. | 17:15 |
| gnarface | ls -l /etc/alternatives |grep filelight | 17:16 |
| gnarface | maybe? | 17:16 |
| chomwitt | $ update-alternatives --get-selections | grep fileligth | 17:16 |
| chomwitt | blank | 17:16 |
| gnarface | huh, maybe it's at the lxqt level then | 17:17 |
| chomwitt | maybe | 17:17 |
| _ds_ | … fileligth? | 17:17 |
| gnarface | oh | 17:18 |
| gnarface | yea that's a typo... | 17:18 |
| gnarface | did you paste that? | 17:18 |
| chomwitt | ok i fixed the typu | 17:19 |
| chomwitt | typo but still blank | 17:19 |
| chomwitt | LXQt has an alternatives gui utility but mirrors update-alternatives | 17:20 |
| gnarface | you sure it didn't remove the other one? | 17:21 |
| gnarface | if it did, then installing it again should remove this one in turn | 17:21 |
| fsmithred | in xfce, I have ~/.config/mimeapps.list which lists file types associated with specific applications to open them. | 17:22 |
| fsmithred | The applications are listed as .desktop files, so I assume you could edit the .desktop file for the Exec line to contain the command with options you want. | 17:23 |
| chomwitt | gnarface, what other one? | 17:23 |
| gnarface | chomwitt: the filebrowser that was the previous default | 17:23 |
| gnarface | i don't know for sure that they're not mutually exclusive | 17:24 |
| gnarface | just a sanity check | 17:24 |
| chomwitt | gnarface, do you mean remove the updates-alt entry or the whole package as a conflict? | 17:25 |
| gnarface | i meant the whole package | 17:25 |
| chomwitt | fsmithred, i am readiing mimeapps.list but small contentl 20 lines and nothing relative i think | 17:26 |
| fsmithred | if you right-click on a file, Open with, Other application, and set that other app as default, a line will be added to the list. | 17:27 |
| fsmithred | in xfce settings, I see Preferred Applications, and file-manager can be set. I don't know if lxqt has similar. | 17:27 |
| fsmithred | if it always defaults to the last file manager you installed, then reinstall the one you want. | 17:28 |
| chomwitt | fsmithred, xmm,, fileligth has added it self to the 'open with' rigth click menu | 17:28 |
| fsmithred | there should be a way to choose something else | 17:29 |
| chomwitt | ok! | 17:29 |
| chomwitt | it was in LXQT 's File associatios utility. There filelight has become the default file manager | 17:31 |
| chomwitt | ok, fsmithred gnarface thanks. | 17:32 |
| gnarface | well fsmithred is the one that actually helped but you're welcome :) | 17:33 |
| chomwitt | i guess it was more of a LXQT issue but if during installation that happened automatically it could be sth to be reported to a package manager? | 17:33 |
| chomwitt | i dont think i was asked for such a change. | 17:34 |
| chomwitt | yesterday i installed it | 17:34 |
| fsmithred | another issue with lxqt install is if you select multiple desktop environments in the initial installation, and you start lxqt on reboot, it asks which window manager to use. | 17:34 |
| fsmithred | at least one person got confused by that | 17:34 |
| gnarface | i think in theory the package manager can update anything | 17:34 |
| chomwitt | i ll reinstall see what happens | 17:35 |
| chomwitt | strange. i purger and reinstalled , but now the LXQt default didnt change. | 17:43 |
| chomwitt | purged | 17:43 |
| fsmithred | maybe because you made a manual change | 17:43 |
| chomwitt | you mean now? | 17:43 |
| fsmithred | it may have dropped a config file in ~/.config and that sticks. | 17:43 |
| fsmithred | xfce works that way | 17:43 |
| fsmithred | defaults are stored in xml files in /etc/xdg | 17:44 |
| fsmithred | but if you make a change on the desktop, it puts a copy of the modified xml file in ~/.config | 17:44 |
| fsmithred | and that gets to rule | 17:44 |
| chomwitt | fsmithred, insigthfull.. i'll look into it now | 17:44 |
| fsmithred | I have the distinct pleasure (not) of being the maintainer of desktop-base | 17:45 |
| fsmithred | anyone looking for something to do to help devuan is welcome to take over that job. | 17:46 |
| fsmithred | grep for the name of your file-manager in ~/.config/* to find the file where it's set. | 17:47 |
| fsmithred | or in /etc/xdg/* | 17:47 |
| fsmithred | to see the default | 17:48 |
| chomwitt | ok | 17:48 |
| chomwitt | :~/.config$ grep -r filelight * returned nothing | 17:51 |
| chomwitt | being unemployed now i dont have much time, so i'll try to help by using devuan daily and reporting issues | 18:03 |
| chomwitt | i'll also ask LXQt quys | 18:03 |
| chomwitt | its strange what happened | 18:04 |
| ham5urg | Is there a bluetooth app for xfce? | 18:57 |
| ham5urg | I would like to receive a file. | 18:57 |
| fsmithred | ham5urg, blueman works in xfce | 19:00 |
| ham5urg | fsmithred, thanks | 19:01 |
| ham5urg | Is blueman-manager accesible via xfce application menu? Could not find any. | 19:19 |
| fsmithred | ham5urg, look in Settings, Appliation Autostart | 20:18 |
| fsmithred | or Settings, Bluetooth Manager | 20:18 |
| ham5urg | Ah, yes. | 20:39 |
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