| Quo-fan | fixed | 03:34 |
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| Core3384 | hi | 10:46 |
| Core3384 | is anyone on? | 10:47 |
| rkta | don't ask to ask | 10:47 |
| Core3384 | I'm not. | 10:47 |
| Core3384 | I have an issue | 10:47 |
| Core3384 | was hoping for a bit of help of sorts. just moved to devuan from debian | 10:48 |
| gnarface | you have to be more specific about the issue | 10:48 |
| gnarface | and this can be a slow channel so try to be patient generally | 10:49 |
| Core3384 | sorry was locking up the garage | 10:49 |
| Core3384 | so I just installed the Devuan Chimaera server iso to replace my debian server and I can't install Cockpit | 10:50 |
| Core3384 | it says unable to locate package | 10:50 |
| gnarface | seems to have been removed after beowulf | 10:51 |
| gnarface | i see it's on the list of banned packages | 10:51 |
| gnarface | they most likely integrated some systemd requirement | 10:51 |
| gnarface | you could try running the beowulf version on chimaera though, it might work, i dunno (not sure what cockpit even is, actually) | 10:52 |
| Core3384 | oh. I didn't know that. I had it on debian I read that Devuan has almost all the same packages. | 10:52 |
| gnarface | it mostly does, here's the list of exceptions: http://packages.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 10:52 |
| gnarface | and here's the package search website: https://pkginfo.devuan.org | 10:52 |
| hakarune | okay cool. | 10:52 |
| gnarface | some packages were able to be forked and rebuilt because their systemd ties were not very deep, those packages will have "devuan" in the version string | 10:53 |
| hakarune | thanks for the pages | 10:53 |
| gnarface | if you find out that cockpit can easily be rebuilt in such a manner, bring it up to the devs and there's a good chance they'll fork it | 10:53 |
| gnarface | the packages on the banned list were just the ones where it was too difficult to remove the systemd dependencies | 10:54 |
| hakarune | okay. I'll look into it. I'll use Webmin instead I guess | 10:54 |
| gnarface | i know of webmin and i'd actually strongly advise against it | 10:55 |
| hakarune | just have to get ssh setup on the server so I can copy paste the commands easier | 10:55 |
| gnarface | surely there's some better alternative? | 10:55 |
| hakarune | I've never used Webmin, just cockpit. | 10:55 |
| gnarface | i think it was removed from debian even before devuan existeed | 10:56 |
| gnarface | or maybe it just never made it in | 10:56 |
| gnarface | wait, can't you just install the ssh server? | 10:56 |
| hakarune | i saw people debating which was better on a forum. I just never tried it and looked it up after you said cockpit was banned | 10:56 |
| gnarface | "apt-get update && apt-get install openssh-server" | 10:56 |
| gnarface | eh, well do as you will, but maybe if you hang around someone else might have a better suggestion | 10:57 |
| hakarune | oh. yeah I can. I literally just spent 3 hours rebuilding my server with new hardware and drives and then installed devuan. wanted to get cockpit installed so I could setup the zfs raid from the warm Livingroom | 10:58 |
| gnarface | what i know for sure is that back long before devuan existed, webmin and cpanel were both notorious for poor security, poor distro integration, and generally poor quality all around | 10:58 |
| gnarface | there's probably half a dozen other similar things though so maybe one of them doesn't suck, i'd ask around here to poll for ideas | 10:59 |
| hakarune | I spent about 20 minutes trying and Googling before I gave up and can't back inside from the cold garage (it's 2am here and 30°F outside) | 10:59 |
| gnarface | of the things google is telling me exist in devuan i see ansible and capistrano but it also says phpmyadmin is a alternative so i don't think it really knows wtf it's talking about | 11:00 |
| hakarune | oh. thanks for the suggestion. I won't pull the trigger on Webmin then. I'll look for alternatives. | 11:00 |
| hakarune | lol | 11:00 |
| gnarface | people might be able to just help you get by with plain ssh too | 11:01 |
| gnarface | i haven't set up zfs myself though | 11:01 |
| gnarface | it's a pretty slow channel but people will be awake in the morning | 11:03 |
| hakarune | I can do all the ssh/cli stuff. just like a gui for monitoring and controlling some things. (like portainer is way better than using cli docker compose files) | 11:03 |
| hakarune | i got used to having a gui on my home server years ago when I tried openmediavault and then skimmed down to debian server with cockpit. Now I skimmed more to devuan. | 11:05 |
| hakarune | thanks for all the info. I'm going to close up the house and head to bed. | 11:06 |
| jjakob | what's the preferred way to force fsck of root on boot? | 12:24 |
| gnarface | not sure exactly in general, but if it's a ext? type filesystem maybe try using "tune2fs -c 1 /dev/sda1" (or whatever your root device is called) | 12:28 |
| gnarface | then you have to change it back or it'll keep running every time though | 12:29 |
| gnarface | another method i'm seeing is to just try "touch /forcefsck" and see if it obeys that still | 12:29 |
| gnarface | "tune2fs -l /dev/sda1" will show you what the count is currently set at | 12:29 |
| gnarface | but since that's only for ext* filesystems i'd try the "touch /forcefsck" thing first to see if it obeys that for general purposes | 12:30 |
| gnarface | there's also a command-line option you can add to grub but supposedly it only works for systemd | 12:30 |
| jjakob | I think /forcefsck should work since that's what was used before systemd. but setting the mount count for checking and/or time interval on the root fs would also be a good method. I just forgot that since systemd changed it to a kernel cmdline flag. | 12:31 |
| jjakob | thanks. | 12:43 |
| hakarune | good morning | 20:31 |
| hakarune | so last night I found out cockpit is on the banned app list. My first reaction is to use Webmin instead, but wasn't too know the opinions of others. I want a webgui to monitor basics stats, set up smb/nfs shares, cron jobs, and if possible: user management and zfs pools. | 20:35 |
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