| systemdlete | I tried stracing arecord for just read calls. Every 7th read, it returns successfully with 32 bytes. The interrim calls fail with a message indicating | 00:01 |
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| rwp | I wish audio was less trouble. I often struggle through it. | 00:01 |
| rwp | I have one system where everything works with regards to audio. I don't touch it. | 00:01 |
| systemdlete | rwp. You and me, bro. You and me. | 00:01 |
| rwp | And therefore I actually don't use it for anything else. I treat it as dedicated. I use my other systems for all of my daily work. | 00:01 |
| systemdlete | Several folks here tried to coach me through this last night (about 12 hours ago). One suggested strace. | 00:02 |
| systemdlete | Funny part is that it works fine (for the most part) on beowulf. | 00:03 |
| rwp | If we transported ourselves back a decade everything worked because nothing blocked it from working. | 00:06 |
| rwp | But now everything is cgroups and kernel policies and blocked access. | 00:07 |
| rwp | So either we rip all of that out to return to the old basic system where everything works. | 00:07 |
| rwp | Or we go the other way embracing the chaos running the full fluff and glitter stack that heavy Desktop Environments expect these days. | 00:07 |
| systemdlete | (what you said ^^^^^) | 00:07 |
| rwp | In between is where most of us exist, trying to figure things out, because we are lost betwixt and between. | 00:07 |
| systemdlete | amen. | 00:10 |
| onefang | Well I'm planning on ripping out my desktop environment and just going with the window manager. Not sure if I'm getting any actual benefit from the DE side. | 05:53 |
| * snork cheers! | 05:56 | |
| brocashelm | onefang: which window manager are you thinking of going with? | 06:06 |
| brocashelm | openbox? fluxbox? jwm? i3? awesome? dwm? | 06:07 |
| onefang | OpenBox is what I'm using now, with LXDE. So getting rid of LXDE is one path I'm considering. Swapping them both out and using Awesome window manager is another. | 06:08 |
| brocashelm | i was experimenting using xfce4-panel + xfwm4 with spacefm as both desktop and file manager. it didn't even feel like i got rid of xfdesktop4 or thunar | 06:08 |
| brocashelm | you can still keep lxpanel if you want to use the start menu | 06:09 |
| brocashelm | i use feh as the wallpaper manager | 06:09 |
| onefang | As for file manager, purely midnight commander for many years. | 06:09 |
| onefang | Yep, I would keep lxpanel. | 06:09 |
| brocashelm | that refracta beowulf nodbus iso gave me the idea to experiment a bit, since software is getting chunkier nowadays | 06:10 |
| onefang | Exactly. | 06:10 |
| onefang | Though not sure JACK can live without dbus. | 06:10 |
| brocashelm | i only keep xfce4-panel for the whisker menu, which is better than all the other menus of mate, cinnamon, gn*me, lxde, lxqt, plasma, etc. | 06:11 |
| brocashelm | but i'd love to be able to cope without dbus entirely | 06:11 |
| onefang | Not heard of whisker menu. | 06:11 |
| brocashelm | i use alsa. it's the only one that's 99.9% worked for me | 06:11 |
| brocashelm | it's a plugin for xfce's panel. more flexible as you can just type what you're searching in a familiar theme | 06:12 |
| onefang | I st'rted doing digital music production this year, so JACK is needed. | 06:12 |
| onefang | Ah whisker isn't stand alone? | 06:12 |
| brocashelm | i do recommend giving spacefm a shot, even if just for the --desktop feature (it would work well with lxde replacement) | 06:12 |
| brocashelm | yeah, it only works with xfce's panel | 06:13 |
| onefang | The reason I stick with midnight commander is it's terminal only, so works the same on my desktop and servers. | 06:14 |
| brocashelm | xfce4-panel + openbox is not a bad combination | 06:14 |
| onefang | It even runs under Windows and Mac when I have to use those. | 06:14 |
| brocashelm | nice | 06:15 |
| brocashelm | i use ranger the most of all cli file managers | 06:15 |
| brocashelm | only reason i can't fully switch to spacefm would be the thumbnails being a ram hog if i keep browsing for too long | 06:16 |
| brocashelm | otherwise, it would save me 200-300 of mb compared to xfdesktop4 + thunar + tumbler | 06:17 |
| onefang | Think we have long ago wandered off topic, and I got work to do. | 06:17 |
| onefang | Mostly my fault though. lol | 06:33 |
| ted-ious | Can you get rid of the desktop and only run openbox and still deal with multiple monitors? | 15:11 |
| onefang | I hope so. | 15:13 |
| gnarface | unless they've done something really weird in the code, worst-case scenario should just be that you'd have to manage the extra monitors with xrandr | 15:16 |
| onefang | I do already actually. | 15:16 |
| onefang | LXRandR is the GUI I use for setting monitor things, including which one is on what side. | 15:17 |
| onefang | "Monitor configuration tool for LXDE" so that's back to "hope so", but likely some other way of dealing with xrandr will work fine. | 15:18 |
| junicchi | is there any way to install php8.2 to my chimaera without fully upgrading my os to ceres? | 16:17 |
| junicchi | i found exactly what i was looking for nvm: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=5563 | 16:26 |
| clemens3 | I just downloaded a 4.0.2 life iso and the pgp signature is a with a key already expired by fsmithred, can that be? | 22:36 |
| gnarface | heh, yea i'm pretty sure that's on purpose believe it or not | 22:51 |
| gnarface | fsmithred, would you like to comment? | 22:51 |
| fsmithred | yeah, gnarface and clemens3 - as soon as I remember the command you have to run | 22:53 |
| fsmithred | gpg --refresh-keys | 22:53 |
| fsmithred | pretty sure | 22:53 |
| clemens3 | do i need update, no problem, only thing important is that i did not get some man in the middle | 22:54 |
| clemens3 | ok, thanks! | 22:54 |
| fsmithred | and no, not on purpose. I allowed my key to expire, and then I un-expired it. | 22:54 |
| clemens3 | oh, cool! anyway, just wanted to be on the save side.. | 22:54 |
| fsmithred | good idea | 22:54 |
| clemens3 | like you:) | 22:54 |
| fsmithred | wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility for someone to try to screw us up. | 22:55 |
| clemens3 | yeah, like, ah, it's the old key, no problem, just continue.. | 22:55 |
| rwp | It's normal to have expiration dates on keys. Therefore normal that they expire. And normal to extend the expiration. Which requires key refreshing. | 22:57 |
| clemens3 | ... and all is good.. thanks! | 22:57 |
| clemens3 | yeah, try to learn something new every day:) | 22:58 |
| rwp | Also the devuan_chimaera_4.0.2_*-live.iso files I see are dated 2022-Sep-10 so that is really the date upon which we should reference. | 22:59 |
| rwp | If the key signing it was not expired on that date then it would have verified as valid on that day. Even if since then the key has since expired. | 23:00 |
| Guest95 | hello. I added ACL rules on my home folder, where I also have the .iso's and the virtual drives I run with kvm. Now they won't run | 23:13 |
| Guest95 | my user is added on cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev kvm bluetooth lpadmin scanner libvirt wireshark libvirt-qemu groups, plus his own group | 23:13 |
| Guest95 | anyone that could instruct me? | 23:14 |
| Guest95 | https://paste.debian.net/plainh/f018a57f these are my setfacl on the whole home folder, including the virtual disks of kvm https://paste.debian.net/plainh/f018a57f | 23:16 |
| Guest95 | screenshot of the error when i try to start a vm https://i.imgur.com/BYM8ovr.png | 23:20 |
| gnarface | which release? | 23:35 |
| Guest95 | 4 | 23:35 |
| gnarface | which one is that? | 23:35 |
| gnarface | is that stable? | 23:36 |
| Guest95 | yes | 23:37 |
| gnarface | and it worked before you added the ACL rules? | 23:37 |
| Guest95 | yes, perfectly | 23:37 |
| gnarface | what acl rules did you add exactly? | 23:38 |
| Guest95 | u::rwx, g::rx, o::000, changed with chown to my user:group all files recursively, and then chmod'd them to 0750 too recursively | 23:39 |
| Guest95 | so all old and new files won't be readable by other users | 23:39 |
| Guest95 | I think I am close to fixing it | 23:40 |
| gnarface | what was it before? | 23:40 |
| gnarface | the acl? | 23:40 |
| Guest95 | gnarface I had no acl rules before that | 23:41 |
| Guest95 | I'll try something and get back to y ou | 23:41 |
| gnarface | those are filesystem permissions though, not acls | 23:41 |
| gnarface | and there would have definitely been a default setting | 23:41 |
| gnarface | unless i'm misunderstanding what this is... | 23:42 |
| gnarface | you ran chmod and chown on your home directory, right? | 23:43 |
| Guest95 | yeah, also added setfacl | 23:43 |
| gnarface | what did you set there? | 23:43 |
| Guest95 | u::rwx, g::rx, o::000 | 23:44 |
| gnarface | the same thing as the chmod/chown commands? | 23:48 |
| gnarface | i must be missing out on something here | 23:48 |
| rrq | Guest95: the screenshot mentions VM_pool and the other paste mentions OS_ISO ... | 23:59 |
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