| onefang_ | The big update was likely due to - "There was a release of Debian Bookworm RC2 media yesterday incorporating fixes up to date." | 01:12 |
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| onefang_ | Oh wait, maybe the other point release. I'm still waking up after not enough sleep. lol | 01:14 |
| mmlj4 | I got this: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. ...except that it gets stuck. Is there a command with a bigger hammer? | 17:36 |
| buZz | what does it get stuck on? could you pastebin the output? | 17:39 |
| buZz | https://paste.debian.net/ <-- | 17:39 |
| buZz | mmlj4 | 17:39 |
| mmlj4 | hmm... ^C unstuck it, but the failed installs from earlier still show up, even after a reboot https://paste.debian.net/1278928/ | 17:43 |
| buZz | fyi, i wouldnt ever run dist-upgrade at 'every update' | 17:44 |
| buZz | use apt upgrade, not dist-upgrade | 17:44 |
| mmlj4 | old habit from 15 years ago, I guess | 17:45 |
| buZz | it was a bad habit 15 years ago too, indeed | 17:45 |
| mmlj4 | I can change the alias | 17:45 |
| buZz | so, after the ctrl-c , did you do --configure -a again? | 17:45 |
| mmlj4 | not yet, no | 17:46 |
| buZz | seems you just need to do those nagios packages (also wow, i didnt think people would still be using nagios) | 17:46 |
| mmlj4 | what's wrong with nagios? I mean, the OSS version does have its limitations, but... | 17:46 |
| mmlj4 | hey, I have to run out for a couple of hours, but thanks for taking a look, etc. | 17:47 |
| buZz | np | 17:47 |
| buZz | nagios is just pretty ancient | 17:47 |
| buZz | just try to do --configure -a again | 17:47 |
| buZz | maybe a bunch of times until its done | 17:47 |
| bent_fingers | What do the `netinstall` & `minimal-live` ISOs offer for connecting wifi? | 19:38 |
| buZz | i would say wicd, but likely not | 19:39 |
| buZz | wpa_cli at least :) | 19:39 |
| bent_fingers | that would be nice | 19:39 |
| buZz | wicd is python2 so pretty much abandonware now | 19:40 |
| bent_fingers | If I start with the `desktop-live` ISO, can I install a minimal system (no DE)? | 19:40 |
| bent_fingers | I used iwd & iwctl with Arch | 19:40 |
| bent_fingers | I like those | 19:40 |
| buZz | no image determines what you actually install | 19:40 |
| bent_fingers | Okay then, I'll use desktop-live | 19:40 |
| buZz | i honestly would never install from a live iso, but ok | 19:40 |
| buZz | you do you :) | 19:40 |
| bent_fingers | oh, why's that? | 19:41 |
| bent_fingers | connecting to the internet is a chore with wpa_supplicant | 19:41 |
| buZz | i dont like waiting for random OS just so i can get happy clicky icons while there's nothing i want to do there | 19:41 |
| buZz | beside -installing- | 19:41 |
| buZz | so i normally use netinstall | 19:41 |
| bent_fingers | sure, clicky icons are clutter | 19:42 |
| buZz | right, so why wait for loading them? | 19:42 |
| buZz | 'but its pretty fast!' yeah , still takes >0 time | 19:42 |
| bent_fingers | I'm trying to download the ISO | 19:44 |
| bent_fingers | the mirrors list a daedalus | 19:44 |
| buZz | did you have to unbend your fingers to do so? | 19:44 |
| bent_fingers | but I don't see that on the homepage | 19:44 |
| buZz | its the next version | 19:45 |
| buZz | a > b > c > d | 19:45 |
| bent_fingers | ah | 19:45 |
| bent_fingers | daedalus is the last name of James Joyce's character | 19:45 |
| buZz | just get chimaera, its the current one | 19:45 |
| bent_fingers | Stephen Daedalus | 19:45 |
| buZz | bent_fingers: its names of exoplanets, i think | 19:45 |
| golinux | bent_fingers: the desktop live iso just copies the live system to your destination | 19:47 |
| buZz | ah!, it doesnt run installer | 19:48 |
| golinux | Before installing you can make changes that will then also be installed. | 19:48 |
| bent_fingers | If I uninstall xfce after installing the system, will everything break? | 19:48 |
| bent_fingers | That's what happened to me a year ago with Debian | 19:48 |
| golinux | It runs the refractainstaller | 19:48 |
| golinux | Better to build from the ground up, your way. | 19:50 |
| bent_fingers | okay | 19:50 |
| golinux | Just use the installer iso and don't install a desktop. | 19:50 |
| golinux | Add it when it's up and running. | 19:50 |
| bent_fingers | I'm colorblind | 19:50 |
| bent_fingers | How about the minimal-live? | 19:50 |
| bent_fingers | It says it's designed for accessibility? | 19:51 |
| golinux | That also uses the refractainstaller | 19:51 |
| bent_fingers | It's not the same as the installer iso, right? | 19:51 |
| golinux | Specifically unsighted or challenged | 19:51 |
| buZz | bent_fingers: so, all live cds are not installers | 19:52 |
| golinux | All our live isos use the refracta installer | 19:52 |
| buZz | they can only copy 'full OS' from cd to disk | 19:52 |
| golinux | I never heard mention of colorblindness though . . . | 19:52 |
| bent_fingers | colorblindness falls under accessibility | 19:53 |
| buZz | just use terminals | 19:53 |
| bent_fingers | For example, most distros have brash colors in their default terminal setups | 19:53 |
| buZz | havent heard of colorblindness that prevents seeing white on black :D | 19:53 |
| bent_fingers | the blues for directories is horrendous | 19:54 |
| golinux | I believe one of our derivatives - GnuInOS - uses the debian installer | 19:54 |
| bent_fingers | it's a common problem if you search the web | 19:54 |
| buZz | golinux: the netinstall iso uses debian installer too, right? | 19:54 |
| bent_fingers | most distros use it though | 19:54 |
| golinux | buZz: Yes. A version of it. rrq has modified it for Devuan | 19:55 |
| buZz | ah | 19:55 |
| bent_fingers | I'm reading this: https://devuan.c3l.lu/devuan_chimaera/installer-iso/README.txt | 19:57 |
| bent_fingers | What's a package pool? | 19:57 |
| bent_fingers | pool=set | 19:57 |
| bent_fingers | ? | 19:57 |
| golinux | A collection of the most downloaded packages | 19:58 |
| golinux | Stats from popcon | 19:58 |
| fsmithred | bent_fingers, there is a way to do a very minimal install from the desktop live, but it does not use and installer. You can do a debootstrap install from the live session. | 20:24 |
| n4dir | and it isn't difficult, but still quite timeconsuming | 20:25 |
| bent_fingers | it's fine. I'm going with the netinstall | 20:25 |
| fsmithred | that's probably the best choice | 20:26 |
| n4dir | going for a default installation image and just deselecting a GUI is probably more quick (but then: i am used to it. Might be first time it is also timeconsuming) | 20:26 |
| fsmithred | also gives you more partitioning options than the live installer | 20:26 |
| n4dir | bent_fingers: you prefer any DE or WM? | 20:26 |
| bent_fingers | wayland with river | 20:26 |
| bent_fingers | no DE | 20:26 |
| n4dir | ok, i am out :-) | 20:26 |
| fsmithred | You speak strange words | 20:27 |
| bent_fingers | devuan has wayland and river, I'm sure | 20:27 |
| bent_fingers | though I haven't checked | 20:27 |
| fsmithred | we have whatever debian has except systemd | 20:27 |
| fsmithred | and whatever requires it | 20:28 |
| bent_fingers | please, no profanity here | 20:28 |
| fsmithred | about 100 packages | 20:28 |
| n4dir | in the actual stable there is no river | 20:28 |
| bent_fingers | children may be present | 20:28 |
| n4dir | also in all suites of debian there doesn't seem to be a package called river. I sure got no idea what it is | 20:30 |
| bent_fingers | https://github.com/riverwm/river | 20:32 |
| n4dir | as said: ain't there, it seems | 20:32 |
| bent_fingers | how about testing? | 20:33 |
| bent_fingers | Can I install from testing? | 20:33 |
| fsmithred | no, I checked in daedalus | 20:33 |
| n4dir | it ain't there in all suites, including Sid. It is to be found in Gentoo though | 20:34 |
| fsmithred | yes, you can install testing. There are installer isos. | 20:34 |
| bent_fingers | It's been awhile since I used debian | 20:34 |
| bent_fingers | can stable and testing repos both be used at the same time? | 20:34 |
| fsmithred | Do you know how to exclude Recommends? | 20:34 |
| n4dir | probably not that hard to compile yourself. Or hopefully | 20:34 |
| bent_fingers | yeah, I'll probably compile it if it's not available | 20:34 |
| fsmithred | no, don't mix stable and testing. You can mix testing and unstable. | 20:35 |
| bent_fingers | ah | 20:35 |
| fsmithred | And in all cases, you should use the codenames, not "testing" or "stable" | 20:35 |
| bent_fingers | is it in unstable? | 20:35 |
| bent_fingers | https://github.com/riverwm/river | 20:35 |
| n4dir | https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&searchon=names&keywords=river | 20:35 |
| bent_fingers | oops | 20:35 |
| fsmithred | or you might run into problems when debian releases their next stable and we're still calling it testing. | 20:35 |
| bent_fingers | it says the keyword is too generic, not that it's unavailable | 20:36 |
| bent_fingers | the keyword of 'river' | 20:36 |
| fsmithred | you get hits on everyting with "driver" in the name | 20:36 |
| bent_fingers | I tried searching here: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=river&x=submit | 20:36 |
| fsmithred | I didn't see river in ceres, either. | 20:37 |
| bent_fingers | but this site doesn't offer options to change repo | 20:37 |
| bent_fingers | I don't know what it's searching | 20:37 |
| n4dir | find someone who is capable of using the #debian bot dpkg. He can list packages in all suits | 20:37 |
| bent_fingers | sounds complicated | 20:38 |
| bent_fingers | I was hoping this would be a smoother process than Void | 20:38 |
| bent_fingers | I broke my machine because Void's instructions are incomplete | 20:39 |
| fsmithred | at pkginfo, search for ^river or ^river.* | 20:39 |
| n4dir | debian or devuan are not the best choice for the latest and greatest. imho | 20:39 |
| fsmithred | for a name that is exactly 'river' or one that begins with river | 20:39 |
| bent_fingers | right, I know regex | 20:39 |
| fsmithred | old software is a feature | 20:39 |
| n4dir | blackbox to the rescue ! :-) | 20:40 |
| fsmithred | it might not be difficult to compile river if they don't have deb packages | 20:40 |
| bent_fingers | weird | 20:40 |
| fsmithred | what's weird? | 20:41 |
| bent_fingers | oh, I know | 20:41 |
| bent_fingers | nothing | 20:41 |
| bent_fingers | my phantasms are | 20:41 |
| bent_fingers | I'll build river. It'll be my first build. For now, just need to rescue my system and files. | 20:42 |
| bent_fingers | Void doesn't mention that if you shrink a partition with cfdisk, you must first shrink the filesystem | 20:43 |
| bent_fingers | oopsi daisy | 20:43 |
| n4dir | the other day a rather experienced user had problems getting a panel to work in Wayland and his choosen WM. Glad to see we are back to such problems :-) | 20:43 |
| bent_fingers | I've never had such problems | 20:43 |
| bent_fingers | I don't use panels | 20:43 |
| n4dir | me neither, that is not really the point | 20:44 |
| bent_fingers | oh, the installer will help set up the network, it seems | 20:48 |
| bent_fingers | good, no wpa_supplicant shenanigans | 20:48 |
| bent_fingers | okay, guess it's time to reboot into the usb | 20:49 |
| bent_fingers | The usb stick isn't detected on boot | 20:57 |
| bent_fingers | It used to be when I had other distros on it | 20:57 |
| bent_fingers | I wrote the image via `dd if=filename.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M && sync` | 20:58 |
| bent_fingers | per docs | 20:58 |
| buZz | what does 'on boot' mean? | 21:00 |
| bent_fingers | when I boot and press f12 to select a device | 21:00 |
| buZz | did you check bios? should it even show usb as a option? | 21:01 |
| bent_fingers | yes, I checked | 21:01 |
| bent_fingers | it was just working | 21:01 |
| bent_fingers | I had windows on it | 21:01 |
| buZz | oh, you do know /dev/sdX isnt the right device, right? | 21:01 |
| bent_fingers | erased it with the dd operation | 21:01 |
| bent_fingers | I know | 21:01 |
| buZz | ok :) | 21:01 |
| bent_fingers | it's /dev/sdb | 21:01 |
| bent_fingers | for me | 21:01 |
| buZz | just going through the options | 21:01 |
| buZz | did you disable secureboot? | 21:02 |
| bent_fingers | yes, it's disabled | 21:02 |
| bent_fingers | could it be the `bs` flag? | 21:03 |
| bent_fingers | becuase with void it was 4M | 21:04 |
| buZz | block size? nah should be fine | 21:04 |
| buZz | even with bs=1 | 21:04 |
| buZz | or bs=1k | 21:04 |
| n4dir | i seldom bother with bs= at all. As in: never | 21:04 |
| buZz | i do bother with 'status=progress' on dd parameters often :) | 21:04 |
| bent_fingers | yeah | 21:05 |
| n4dir | buZz: just saying that it probably isn't the reason for the actual problem | 21:05 |
| buZz | indeed | 21:05 |
| bent_fingers | god, this all started because I tried trimming an mp3 file | 21:07 |
| bent_fingers | pacman's database became corrupted | 21:07 |
| bent_fingers | one thing after another | 21:08 |
| bent_fingers | decided to try something without systemd | 21:08 |
| bent_fingers | I'll see if salix boots from usb | 21:08 |
| mmlj4 | I purged all the nagios packages I had, and things work better now, thanks. | 21:31 |
| mmlj4 | tried to reinstall them, and the thing seems busted again... I'm thinking there's a problem with nagios | 21:31 |
| mmlj4 | grr... | 21:32 |
| golinux | bent_fingers: Just when you think you know everything, you find out you don't and think there are greener pastures elsewhere. Problem is that wherever uou go | 21:57 |
| golinux | you find yourself | 21:57 |
| golinux | Greetings hagbard and thanks for offering to help with the www theming | 21:58 |
| bent_fingers | haha | 22:00 |
| bent_fingers | I never think I know anything like everything | 22:01 |
| golinux | :) | 22:01 |
| bent_fingers | nothing is working for me. I'll prolly go back to arch | 22:01 |
| n4dir | there was an arch based distro minus systemd though, iirc | 22:02 |
| golinux | You have to know how to work it. It uis a learning process | 22:02 |
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