| rwp | Artix is the non-systemd fork of Arch in the same similar way as Devuan is to Debian. | 05:06 |
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| brocashelm | there's also obarun | 05:07 |
| brocashelm | hyperbola if you want pacman + debian stability + linux-libre (switching out of gnu and linux for openbsd kernel and userland soon) | 05:08 |
| brocashelm | however, keep in mind that in artix's case, their main repo is very scarce compared to arch's (i.e. their devs don't have something like amprolla that devuan uses for merging repos; they have to rebuild everything from upstream to guarantee no systemd parts lurking) | 05:09 |
| brocashelm | you can still use arch's repos and the aur, but that increases the risk of running into breakages | 05:09 |
| enyc | Bother, scrollbak not enough to see what answer I was left | 07:47 |
| rwp | enyc, Channel logs here: http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/search?q=enyc | 08:02 |
| enyc | rwp: AHA thankyou =). | 09:20 |
| tom-1 | Hi all . I would appreciate any help or advice. I have such a problem that the network switches to another adapter. For example, I click on the applet to turn off the connection and after a while I see that the connection is resumed on another adapter. How can I find out which program connects the network or how to disable, etc. | 12:53 |
| rustyaxe | network manager does that | 12:56 |
| brocashelm | are you using network-manager or connman? | 12:56 |
| rustyaxe | You could turn on rfkill to shut off wireless networking | 12:56 |
| brocashelm | check your saved connection profiles | 12:56 |
| brocashelm | there is an option to automatically connect with # priority | 12:57 |
| brocashelm | look in the "general" tab per connection profile | 12:57 |
| gnarface | won't network-manager stop doing that if you disable or remove avahi-daemon though? | 13:08 |
| gnarface | tom-1: i think it's actually avahi-daemon doing that | 13:09 |
| tom-1 | thanks for your answers, I forgot to clarify I do not use wi-fi. How can I specify in the settings so that the connection is strictly on the network interface that is the default | 13:09 |
| gnarface | like i said, i would disable or uninstall avahi-daemon first, then try seeing if it would obey just what network-manager is set to do | 13:09 |
| gnarface | or rather, that's what you should do i mean | 13:10 |
| gnarface | what I would actually do is just uninstall both of them and put a static config directly into /etc/network/interfaces, but you don't necessarily have to go that far | 13:11 |
| tom-1 | I just looked at the file .../etc/network/interfaces there are no network interfaces listed there ..strange .. | 13:14 |
| tom-1 | I'll check the log and logs... | 13:15 |
| onefang | Does it include - source /etc/network/interfaces.d/* | 13:16 |
| onefang | Which means it'll look in any files in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ for interfaces. | 13:16 |
| gnarface | tom-1: that would be normal if network-manager was already installed, as it has its own location for the network configuration | 14:02 |
| hacksenwerk | clear | 15:26 |
| hacksenwerk | Hello | 15:26 |
| hacksenwerk | I am sorry to asked but I was away from devuan for a ver long time... | 15:27 |
| hacksenwerk | I want to run dhclient at boot on my headless rpi server, so I can connect to it reight after boot via ssh. I'm not wuite sure anymore... is it enough to just put the dhclient command in a line in /etc/rc.local ? | 15:28 |
| hacksenwerk | and another line at the bottom with exit 0 | 15:35 |
| hacksenwerk | I can just try, but if that failed i need to write that image again to the storage o fthe pi, because I can not access it otherwise than over ssh... | 15:36 |
| gnarface | hacksenwerk: /etc/init.d/ | 15:40 |
| gnarface | there should be a startup script in there by default, it should start by default when installed, afaik | 15:40 |
| gnarface | i think it's also the default dhcp client | 15:40 |
| gnarface | you shouldn't have to touch /etc/rc.local at all for this | 15:42 |
| hacksenwerk | gnarface: oh ok. i have that daedalus arm image and there was network-manager pre-installed. I removed it. | 15:44 |
| gnarface | hacksenwerk: should be the same in testing, i think | 15:44 |
| hacksenwerk | In /etc/init.d/ i have no file called dhcp* | 15:45 |
| gnarface | dpkg -l |grep dhc | 15:45 |
| gnarface | maybe you don't have the package installed? | 15:45 |
| gnarface | it would have been separate from network-manager | 15:45 |
| hacksenwerk | no it is installed i already runned it after removing the network-manager | 15:46 |
| gnarface | what does this return? dpkg -l |grep dhc | 15:46 |
| hacksenwerk | isc-dhcp-client and *-common | 15:47 |
| gnarface | oh that's the other one | 15:47 |
| hacksenwerk | other one? | 15:47 |
| gnarface | non-default, i thought. it's ok, i like that one better too. check the output of this, but don't paste it here: dpkg -L isc-dhcp-client | 15:47 |
| hacksenwerk | that was always the default package i installed in the past... | 15:47 |
| gnarface | also dpkg -L isc-dhcp-common but i'm not sure that'll be as interesting | 15:48 |
| hacksenwerk | dpkg -L isc-dhcp-client: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/9a547347 | 15:49 |
| hacksenwerk | dpkg -L isc-dhcp-common: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/d969d401 | 15:49 |
| gnarface | hmm | 15:50 |
| gnarface | i seem to be forgetting something | 15:50 |
| gnarface | oh wait | 15:51 |
| hacksenwerk | gnarface: sure ^^ | 15:51 |
| gnarface | that's what i'm forgetting, it doesn't start from init.d | 15:51 |
| gnarface | ifup starts it based on your /etc/network/interfaces file | 15:52 |
| hacksenwerk | oh | 15:52 |
| hacksenwerk | ah yes i remmeber doing that manually in the past... oh thats a while ago | 15:52 |
| gnarface | check the man page | 15:53 |
| gnarface | just "man interfaces" should give you a synopsis | 15:53 |
| gnarface | auto eth0 | 15:53 |
| gnarface | iface eth0 inet dhcp | 15:53 |
| gnarface | usually that's all you need | 15:53 |
| gnarface | well, make sure lo is there too | 15:54 |
| hacksenwerk | yeah something like that | 15:54 |
| gnarface | should already be there by default though | 15:54 |
| hacksenwerk | wah that time on systemd debian makes me dumb... | 15:54 |
| hacksenwerk | maybe that's the plan... hmm... | 15:56 |
| hacksenwerk | :) | 15:56 |
| gnarface | wlan0 if you're doing this over wifi | 15:57 |
| hacksenwerk | gnarface: nah no wlan | 15:58 |
| hacksenwerk | i'll try and reboot now | 15:59 |
| hacksenwerk | i ran ifup eth1 before, don't know if that's necessary | 16:00 |
| hacksenwerk | Juchheisa, it works! | 16:01 |
| gnarface | hooraay! | 16:02 |
| hacksenwerk | 60 seconds for the old pi to boot the ssd, that's nice | 16:02 |
| hacksenwerk | gnarface: Thank you very much for refreshing my "need to know" knowledgebase | 16:02 |
| gnarface | no problem | 16:02 |
| hacksenwerk | On desktop i still run debian 11 now for over 3 years, but i will change back to devuan soon. | 16:03 |
| hacksenwerk | Just need to buy a newer and bigger hdd first | 16:03 |
| hacksenwerk | And maybe I will wait a bit longer till Daedalus is stable. But the rpi runs daedalus already. :) | 16:04 |
| hacksenwerk | Feels like I'm coming home.... *sniff* | 16:05 |
| hacksenwerk | And it was not because of devuan that I have moved back to debian years ago... it was because the hoster of my server didn't offer me devuan as os and using more than one distro was to much for my little brain. xP I made so many mistakes on that server in the beggining because i wasn't familiar with that systemd stuff... | 16:07 |
| PolaritonCondens | hacksenwerk: Daedalus is pretty darn stable now. | 16:08 |
| hacksenwerk | PolaritonCondens: yeah seems like it runs like a charm on that pi! :D | 16:08 |
| hacksenwerk | But first that new hdd, on this one i have only ~60gb for my home partition | 16:11 |
| rustyaxe | what happened to the asterisk packages? | 16:19 |
| rustyaxe | they seem to have fallen out of testing at some point between now and when i last installed them :o | 16:20 |
| hacksenwerk | ouh... disconnect from that pi because i want to remove the default user and it seems that the ip address changed a bit. | 16:27 |
| hacksenwerk | that hasn't happend before | 16:27 |
| bent_fingers | Where's the server iso? https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan | 17:55 |
| bent_fingers | And the desktop (not desktop-live)? | 17:55 |
| bent_fingers | ah, it's under "installer iso" | 17:56 |
| hacksenwerk | The line "ChallengeResponseAuthentication" is not in /etc/ssh/sshd_config . I think in the past it was but I'm not sure... I want to set it to "no" for ssh hardening purposes, do I have to add that line manually? | 18:07 |
| Xenguy | hacksenwerk: My sshd_config file has this: | 18:14 |
| Xenguy | # Change to yes to enable challenge-response passwords (beware issues with | 18:14 |
| Xenguy | # some PAM modules and threads) | 18:14 |
| Xenguy | ChallengeResponseAuthentication no | 18:14 |
| hacksenwerk | Xenguy: are you on chimaera or daedalus? | 18:15 |
| Xenguy | So I would feel free to add it manually if need be (I'm on Beowulf still) | 18:15 |
| hacksenwerk | Xenguy: oh ok. Hmm.. but couldn't it be, that it isn't needed / working any longer on daedalus? | 18:15 |
| Xenguy | Not sure, but a good question. Lurk around, perhaps someone else can offer insight on that point | 18:16 |
| hacksenwerk | And I wonder if when it is missing, is it disabled by default? | 18:16 |
| hacksenwerk | *lurking* | 18:16 |
| Xenguy | There is also 'man sshd_config', let's see | 18:17 |
| hacksenwerk | :) | 18:17 |
| hacksenwerk | man sshd: Finally, the server and the client enter an authentication dialog. The client tries to authenticate itself using host-based authentication, public key authentication, challenge-response authentication, or password authentication. | 18:18 |
| hacksenwerk | it still talks about it... | 18:18 |
| Xenguy | Try 'man sshd_config'; my copy refers to 'ChallengeResponseAuthentication' | 18:18 |
| hacksenwerk | That's the only "challenge" in the whole man on daedalus | 18:19 |
| Xenguy | Curious, seems like the man page has changed then. I have, for example: | 18:19 |
| Xenguy | "ChallengeResponseAuthentication | 18:19 |
| Xenguy | Specifies whether challenge-response authentication is allowed (e.g. via PAM). The default is yes." | 18:19 |
| hacksenwerk | Xenguy: yup the manpage has changed. | 18:20 |
| Xenguy | Sounds like a research project then, unless someone else here knows the history better | 18:20 |
| * Xenguy goes in search of food... | 18:21 | |
| hacksenwerk | oh no | 18:21 |
| hacksenwerk | my mistake | 18:21 |
| hacksenwerk | i opend man sshd and not man sshd_config | 18:21 |
| Xenguy | aha | 18:21 |
| hacksenwerk | im sorry... ^^' | 18:21 |
| Xenguy | no worries | 18:22 |
| hacksenwerk | Xenguy: oh but it has chaned anyway! | 18:22 |
| Xenguy | hrm | 18:22 |
| hacksenwerk | it says: ChallengeResponseAuthentication is a deprecated alias for this. | 18:23 |
| hacksenwerk | and refers to KbdInteractiveAuthentication | 18:23 |
| Xenguy | Bingo (by the sounds of it) | 18:24 |
| hacksenwerk | oh you have that too? | 18:24 |
| Xenguy | Checking... | 18:24 |
| hacksenwerk | wait... | 18:24 |
| Xenguy | "KbdInteractiveAuthentication | 18:24 |
| Xenguy | Specifies whether to allow keyboard-interactive authentication. The argument to this keyword must be yes or no. The | 18:24 |
| Xenguy | default is to use whatever value ChallengeResponseAuthentication is set to (by default yes)." | 18:24 |
| hacksenwerk | https://paste.debian.net/plainh/0eb00afa | 18:25 |
| hacksenwerk | Xenguy: :) | 18:25 |
| hacksenwerk | I will add that line then | 18:26 |
| Xenguy | Perfect, sounds like you solved the issue, and good to know : -) | 18:26 |
| hacksenwerk | oh wait again! | 18:27 |
| hacksenwerk | it really _is_ depreceated | 18:27 |
| hacksenwerk | wait i make a pastbin again | 18:27 |
| hacksenwerk | The old sshd_conf file entry: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/2e8fbf53 | 18:29 |
| hacksenwerk | The new sshd_conf file entry: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/65a5625f | 18:29 |
| hacksenwerk | It really is "KbdInteractiveAuthentication no" now | 18:29 |
| hacksenwerk | Now I solved it. ^.^ | 18:30 |
| Xenguy | hacksenwerk: Congrats | 18:43 |
| hacksenwerk | Xenguy: Thank you. | 18:47 |
| hacksenwerk | Good bye. | 18:47 |
| bent_fingers | I've got the server iso burned to usb | 20:44 |
| bent_fingers | It boots | 20:44 |
| bent_fingers | If I install just the standards programs, the system install fine and boots | 20:45 |
| bent_fingers | But I'm left without any way to connect to the internet via wifi | 20:45 |
| bent_fingers | If I select the console programs option, the system fails to install | 20:45 |
| bent_fingers | I tried creating a swap partition, but it didn't help | 20:46 |
| bent_fingers | It fails during package installation | 20:46 |
| bent_fingers | The screen turns red | 20:46 |
| bent_fingers | How can I install a base system with some program available to connect wifi? | 20:47 |
| bent_fingers | I can't connect to the internet during installation because the wifi at starbucks requires a browser to open the login page | 20:53 |
| gnarface | hmm, i wonder if the wifi stuff is on the server iso | 20:55 |
| gnarface | does it have to be wifi? can you connect a ethernet cable to it just to download the wifi stuff? | 20:55 |
| bent_fingers | I'm gonna reboot and try a larger swap partition (even though that's silly because I'll use a swap file) | 20:55 |
| gnarface | i doubt that's gonna help | 20:55 |
| bent_fingers | I don't have ethernet | 20:55 |
| gnarface | well if the wifi stuff is on that iso, i think you can use it as a repo in your sources.list | 20:56 |
| gnarface | and still install it without a network connection | 20:56 |
| gnarface | but if it's not on the iso you're gonna need a different iso | 20:56 |
| bent_fingers | the console apps package set should have something, I'm sure | 20:56 |
| bent_fingers | but that set of packages won't install | 20:56 |
| bent_fingers | no reason is given | 20:56 |
| gnarface | hmm | 20:56 |
| bent_fingers | that's why I think it may have to do with swap | 20:57 |
| gnarface | how much swap did you give it? | 20:57 |
| gnarface | none? | 20:57 |
| bent_fingers | 4G | 20:57 |
| gnarface | that should be plenty | 20:57 |
| bent_fingers | i'll just try increasing it to 16 | 20:57 |
| bent_fingers | I know | 20:57 |
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