| Mystified | Hi amble to install devuan desktop, But I wish to install server, during the install progress I untick the xfce option, so just the server installs, but after about 4 attempts, on each install, Xfce is installed. | 01:34 |
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| Mystified | suggestions please, as to what I'm not doing. | 01:35 |
| rrq | untick the "desktop environment" as well. | 01:36 |
| Mystified | I may of missed something as basic as that. I'll try again. | 01:37 |
| Mystified | Another question please. I'm creating on a old mac main 2012 i7-2nd gen. with 12GB ram. THe macmini has non-free b43 wlano b4331/bluetooth,broadcom, hoxw can I add that package to the usb installer so that firmware can be configured during the install process. | 01:40 |
| Mystified | Thanks, rrq: :) | 01:40 |
| rrq | it's not easy to add to the installation usb itself, but it should be possible to juggle usbs during the installation, e.g. to get the firmware files/package onto the installer RAM filesystem early on | 01:44 |
| rrq | use C-A-F2 to enter a shell in the installer (which is a linux system itself) and go for it :) | 01:45 |
| rrq | do this after keyboard setup | 01:45 |
| rrq | (aacutally, if you ue "expert" mode, it should be after having done the "load components" option, which fluffs up the installer with esp additional filesystems) | 02:00 |
| Mystified | thanks | 02:02 |
| gnarface | the netinstall iso has the non-free wifi firmware included already though i think | 02:07 |
| rrq | though broadcom is special; the installable package is a downloader of actual firmware | 02:10 |
| fsmithred | not for some of the broadcoms - it just has the installer and it dowloads the actual firmware | 02:10 |
| fsmithred | catch22 | 02:10 |
| rrq | what he said :) | 02:10 |
| fsmithred | it's the reason for that question at the beginning of the installer that says you need to stick in a usb that has the firmware files on it - the one that confuses everyone because most should ignore it. | 02:11 |
| fsmithred | and if I install that firmware on the live isos, i get to pay broadcoms legal bills if you sue them | 02:12 |
| RhineDevil | gnarface: You will see this message tomorrow probably. The crash didn't happen both with openarena and minetest, still seem to happen only when loading unity3d games | 02:24 |
| gnarface | RhineDevil: i see it. thanks for the update. that is weird. | 02:25 |
| gnarface | fsmithred, rrq ah, i didn't realize broadcom was still doing that | 02:27 |
| fsmithred | They do have some you can install without a network. | 02:33 |
| fsmithred | not sure what's so special about the b43. | 02:34 |
| brocashelm | fsmithred: installing libpam-ck-connector allowed to use --with-ck-connector option for exec startxfce4 and thus made it possible to use reboot, shut down, suspend, hibernate, hybrid sleep (have not tested the last three sans elogind/systemd) | 08:47 |
| brocashelm | so, elogind is not running anywhere, replaced with consolekit. all kde, gvfs, udisks2, and network-manager packages are gone, replaced with udevil for devmon daemon and connman-gtk (or cmst if you want) | 08:48 |
| brocashelm | pkexec will work again; no need for lxqt-sudo (as suggested earlier) | 08:49 |
| _Mystified | Just completed installation devuan-daedalus-server, I have internet but could access the repos during the install. I've chosen openrc, there seems to be components missing, as there is only rc-status, rc-service rc-update. I need find what other components of open RC , need to be installed. But more of a concern is that I'm unable to access a repo, to run apt update && apt upgrade. I have the following error.Daedalus release | 09:46 |
| _Mystified | does not have a release file | 09:46 |
| _Mystified | updating from such repo can't be done securely & is not installed bt default | 09:46 |
| _Mystified | see apt-secure to manage repo creation & user config | 09:47 |
| _Mystified | \ | 09:47 |
| rrq | there is no daedalus-security yet; will be set up when daedalus release happens | 09:56 |
| _Mystified | I cant do anything with it | 09:59 |
| _Mystified | I can't install any packages | 09:59 |
| brocashelm | just use daedalus for now | 10:00 |
| rrq | remove or comment out the daedalus-security line in /etc/apt/sources.list | 10:00 |
| Xenguy | https://www.devuan.org/os/packages.html | 10:00 |
| _Mystified | I've jus gone into/apt/sources.list & edite the file | 10:00 |
| rrq | then do: apt-get update | 10:01 |
| _Mystified | i ran apt update not apt-get | 10:01 |
| rrq | the same effect | 10:01 |
| rrq | do you mean you still have problem? | 10:02 |
| brocashelm | please use a paste site like paste.debian.net and link the output here | 10:05 |
| _Mystified | ok, I have some access, but still have 404 | 10:08 |
| _Mystified | I'm using server edition, forgotten how to enable a mouse, in no x, i'll install wgetpaste, but again forgotton how to use that LOL | 10:09 |
| _Mystified | I'm new to server | 10:09 |
| _Mystified | https://imgur.com/a/qCRZCeT | 10:23 |
| _Mystified | please can you share the fix. | 10:24 |
| brocashelm | your /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d (directory) has multiple daedalus repos defined. again, use ONLY "daedalus" for now | 10:26 |
| debdog | IIRC the mouse on console was package gpm | 10:27 |
| brocashelm | you only need this for now: http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus main | 10:27 |
| _Mystified | I finally was able to ssh | 10:27 |
| _Mystified | https://dpaste.org/b9119 | 10:28 |
| brocashelm | don't forget the "deb" before that | 10:28 |
| _Mystified | what about missing components of openrc | 10:36 |
| _Mystified | https://dpaste.org/f98yG | 10:40 |
| brocashelm | if i understand correctly, debian's implementation of openrc and runit are mainly wrappers for sysvinit, so devuan just tries to get certain systemd-lenient packages to work with them (service commands still apply) | 10:45 |
| brocashelm | here's debian's guide on installing openrc: https://wiki.debian.org/OpenRC | 10:47 |
| _Mystified | thankyou brocashelm: | 10:56 |
| _Mystified | Ahhhhh. I think i'll go back & change the init to default sysV. | 10:59 |
| _Mystified | see you in a few. | 11:00 |
| _Mystified | started the install. More support with sysV. Fine to use testing, but testing & open-rc is just an open invation to hell, with a closed door. | 11:09 |
| fsmithred | runit has a little more support than openrc. There is now a package with runit scripts: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=5555 | 12:00 |
| fsmithred | I haven't tried it yet. | 12:00 |
| _Mystified | thanks fsmithred: :( just completed the install of SysV. just configured ssh, stange it was not pre installed, open rc was pre installed. | 12:03 |
| fsmithred | what do you mean pre-installed? | 12:03 |
| fsmithred | There's a screen in the installer where you get to choose sysv openrc or runit | 12:04 |
| fsmithred | did you see that? | 12:04 |
| _Mystified | I have no experience in noX, with SysV. trying discover what commands work for services. service is listed in some guides, but not in devuan | 12:04 |
| fsmithred | oh you said "not pre-installed" | 12:04 |
| _Mystified | yess. | 12:05 |
| fsmithred | service command works in devuan | 12:05 |
| fsmithred | otherwise: /etc/init.d/<service-name> start|stop|restart | 12:05 |
| fsmithred | if you want to get fancy with runlevels, read man update-rc.d | 12:06 |
| brocashelm | i use runit and it's fine. just not 100% implemented, but no bugs i've noticed | 12:10 |
| brocashelm | it works really well as init | 12:11 |
| brocashelm | faster and lighter than sysvinit (init) | 12:11 |
| brocashelm | but nothing wrong with staying on sysvinit | 12:12 |
| brocashelm | dh-runit is a useful package if you rely on debhelper | 12:13 |
| _Mystified | I use it with artix, but I need a server, but no systemD | 12:13 |
| _Mystified | brocashelm: hows the support/guides with artix runir server. I tried open-rc artix server, manual install did not take after 3 attempts. | 12:38 |
| _Mystified | my main desktop flavour is open-rc redcore(gentoo flavour) has an incredible wrapper sisyphus | 12:39 |
| brocashelm | _Mystified: that would be a question for #artix, but here is their wiki page on runit and getting started: https://wiki.artixlinux.org/Main/Runit?from=Runit.Runit | 12:40 |
| brocashelm | but, not sure it's a good idea to use a rolling release as a production server | 12:40 |
| brocashelm | i think antix would be another one you could try that's not far from debian base | 12:41 |
| _Mystified | i find artix/plasma desktop is stable, this is my first attempt at server. home/media centre, but after this I will need another for my small service business | 12:43 |
| _Mystified | I thin I better stick with stability & learn this os. | 12:45 |
| latex | Anyone know where to find a list of packages included on the DVD images | 12:45 |
| latex | I want to know whether GCC is on there. I'd like to be able to code offline just from the DVD | 12:45 |
| _Mystified | what about 4 pack cd | 12:45 |
| _Mystified | ahh | 12:46 |
| latex | If not, tell me which packages I need so I'll download them onto a USB stick right now | 12:47 |
| _Mystified | my sys V devuan server 138MiB / 11870MiB | 12:47 |
| latex | It would be really cool if the devuan DVD is self-hostable as in you can recompile the OS using just the DVD | 12:47 |
| latex | okay I just mounted the ISO. Looks like GCC is in there | 12:50 |
| latex | Thanks | 12:50 |
| _Mystified | server SysV, what are the shutdown/reboot/power off commands, those 3 don't work | 12:53 |
| latex | _Mystified: these commands must be ran from root. Under normal user accounts, it will say command not found | 12:53 |
| latex | Probably because the commands are located in /sbin or something | 12:53 |
| _Mystified | nope, i'm root | 12:53 |
| latex | oh | 12:53 |
| latex | Well a few years ago I tried devuan and ran into the same issue. Then running the commands as root worked | 12:54 |
| _Mystified | thanks | 12:55 |
| debdog | _Mystified: try /sbin/halt etc. | 12:55 |
| debdog | are you root or just su? /sbin might be missing in $PATH | 12:56 |
| _Mystified | worked /sbin/reboot | 12:57 |
| _Mystified | was root | 12:57 |
| fsmithred | _Mystified, if you use 'su -' instead of just su, you will get root's path. | 13:03 |
| _Mystified | I've installed this to an old mac mini i7-2nd gen 12GB , Just installed the broadcom b4331 kernel/driver, what network manager should i use for the broadcom. | 13:03 |
| fsmithred | see 'man su' to change that. | 13:04 |
| fsmithred | major choices are connman or network-manager-gnome | 13:04 |
| _Mystified | I'm in root I have alot of configuration to do. | 13:04 |
| fsmithred | there's also ceni | 13:04 |
| fsmithred | you'll need wpasupplicant and wireless-tools too | 13:05 |
| latex | wtf the DVD install failed | 13:06 |
| latex | it's glitched. GRUB won't install either | 13:06 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: 19:59 < fsmithred> those testing isos get replaced every week. | 13:06 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: Every week on the same day? | 13:06 |
| latex | I guess I'll try again and hope it was just a non-reproducible glitch | 13:06 |
| fsmithred | hacksenwerk, yeah, Monday | 13:06 |
| fsmithred | assuming the build works. Occasionally it fails. | 13:07 |
| fsmithred | latex, what error did you get? | 13:07 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: Nice. Thank you. :) | 13:07 |
| latex | idk | 13:07 |
| latex | there is no error reporting | 13:07 |
| fsmithred | alt-F4 | 13:08 |
| latex | the installer just says step failed! | 13:08 |
| latex | oh too late I'm trying again | 13:08 |
| fsmithred | was it trying to get packages from repo? | 13:08 |
| latex | from DVD | 13:08 |
| latex | I can't connect to the internet for some reason | 13:08 |
| latex | borked WLAN | 13:08 |
| latex | Even if I type in correct password it says failed | 13:08 |
| fsmithred | daedalus dvd or chimaera? | 13:08 |
| latex | chimaera | 13:08 |
| fsmithred | oh... | 13:08 |
| latex | what | 13:08 |
| fsmithred | if your password contains special characters, that might be a problem | 13:09 |
| fsmithred | but only in the installer | 13:09 |
| fsmithred | I've seen that happen | 13:09 |
| latex | which password? | 13:09 |
| latex | encryption password? | 13:09 |
| latex | or user password? | 13:09 |
| fsmithred | wireless encryption | 13:09 |
| latex | oh | 13:09 |
| latex | yeah it does | 13:09 |
| fsmithred | I disabled wpa or else changed to all lower case characters | 13:09 |
| fsmithred | either workaround will get you there | 13:10 |
| fsmithred | or use a wire for the installation | 13:10 |
| RhineDevil | _ds_, gnarface, we still have no idea what's the specific stuff causing the issue but now we know forceloading amdgpu driver solves it | 13:10 |
| RhineDevil | It's wonderful being able to load videos and games at the same time | 13:11 |
| fsmithred | latex, for gcc, install the package build-essential (note that it's singular) and you'll get gcc and linux-headers | 13:12 |
| fsmithred | after install you can reset the wireless password to what it was. | 13:13 |
| latex | is it on the DVD | 13:13 |
| latex | ? | 13:13 |
| fsmithred | yes | 13:16 |
| latex | epic | 13:17 |
| fsmithred | dvd contains the most popular software | 13:17 |
| fsmithred | time for food. biab. | 13:19 |
| _Mystified | what cmd line app works lie wpa_supplicant ? | 13:24 |
| _Mystified | fsmithred: Likewise almost 9:30pm, I've only had 1 meal today plus 2 piccolo coffees. | 13:25 |
| fsmithred | _Mystified, I just finished breakfast. There is nm-tui and nm-cli as part of network-manager | 14:20 |
| fsmithred | sorry - that's nmtui and nmcli | 14:21 |
| _Mystified | all good | 14:22 |
| _Mystified | thanks, just finished a flat wrap with cheese vegimite, zatar,chili &c\toasted cummin seeds | 14:23 |
| _Mystified | just read the news article about security bugs in chrome, will that likely to apply to all chrome variants like edge, opera vivaldi & chromium ? | 14:25 |
| onefang | Chromium in Chimaera just got a security update. | 14:41 |
| _Mystified | I'm using a server, so need for chrome. | 14:45 |
| _Mystified | will try a text based variant & irclient | 14:46 |
| _Mystified | really I don't need them as long as I have ssh | 14:46 |
| _Mystified | what web portal do you guys recommend for server edition | 14:47 |
| fsmithred | what do you mean? | 14:47 |
| fsmithred | you want a fast mirror for downloading isos? | 14:47 |
| _Mystified | for managing the system from a browser | 14:48 |
| fsmithred | don't know. I never managed a server from a browser. | 14:49 |
| fsmithred | I use either plain ssh or if the server has a desktop, vnc over ssh. | 14:49 |
| _Mystified | I'm going setup qbittorrent-nox jellyfin, to external drives zpool | 14:50 |
| onefang | I ssh into tmux sessions running mc. | 14:51 |
| fsmithred | for text-based browsers, I like lynx because it's the first one I used. | 14:52 |
| fsmithred | but there's also links, w3m and probably others. | 14:52 |
| fsmithred | I think links2 works in console, too. In graphical it makes the web look like 1995. | 14:53 |
| latex-on-the-pho | Hey, is it true i3 is not on the DVD? Even after connecting to my 4G hotspot I can't find it on the pkgmaster.devuan.org thing | 14:57 |
| fsmithred | latex-on-the-pho, probably not in the dvd, but the package should be available in repo. | 14:59 |
| latex-on-the-pho | I probably misconfigured mirrors or something | 14:59 |
| latex-on-the-pho | My battery is only 4% so I turned off the laptop for now | 15:00 |
| fsmithred | chimaera or daedalus? | 15:00 |
| latex-on-the-pho | chimaera | 15:00 |
| onefang | For a start it's best to not use pkgmaster.devuan.org, as that's the master that our mirrors sync from, so best to not overload it. | 15:00 |
| latex-on-the-pho | onefang: that's the default apparently | 15:01 |
| onefang | Thought we changed the default recently? | 15:01 |
| onefang | I know I moved it to the bottom of the list of mirrors to discourage that. | 15:02 |
| fsmithred | should be three lines. https://www.devuan.org/os/packages | 15:02 |
| latex-on-the-pho | or was it deb.devuan.org? I'm not sure but I saw pkgmaster in the apt sources.list file too | 15:02 |
| onefang | deb.devuan.org should be the default. | 15:02 |
| onefang | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt for the full list. | 15:02 |
| latex-on-the-pho | What does rate mean? | 15:05 |
| onefang | How often it is updated. I try to encourage every 30 minutes. | 15:05 |
| latex-on-the-pho | I am relieved to find Terminus is installed on devuan by default | 15:06 |
| gnarface | RhineDevil: well, glad you found a workaround. i think it's still really weird though that radeon is requiring firmware-amd-graphics now, but what's important is you found out amdgpu actually works. | 15:44 |
| gnarface | (and that's supposed to be the case, but prior to this we'd had a few reports of it being the other way around on that generation of hardware) | 15:45 |
| gnarface | (or something similar to it anyway) | 15:45 |
| gnarface | well, the other thing i was wrong about is that i assumed amdgpu would be the default if it was possible to use, since that had also been the case in the past | 15:58 |
| RhineDevil | gnarface: amdgpu by default has Southern Islands and cjk support turned off, and if it's turned on the kernel will still prefer to load radeon. | 16:05 |
| RhineDevil | The only way is disabling support on radeon and enabling support on amdgpu | 16:05 |
| gnarface | i still think it's weird that they'd choose that when it doesn't work right, but obviously i'm not getting the whole picture | 16:06 |
| RhineDevil | Probably amdgpu support on old radeon cards is considered an optional | 16:07 |
| gnarface | hmmm, perhaps so | 16:07 |
| RhineDevil | And radeon was considered even by AMD guys as enough? | 16:07 |
| helpmeplease | Hello, how do I add a daemon to runit autoload in devuan? Google returned no results. | 16:08 |
| RhineDevil | By the way I still didn't quite got how amdgpu/radeon actually work | 16:08 |
| gnarface | RhineDevil: well, the radeon driver predates the AMD buyout of ATI, and it was never great, but we'd still seen some incidents where it worked better on the transitional generations of cards, even where amdgpu had been made the default | 16:09 |
| RhineDevil | Are they just... firmware loaded in the GPU memory? | 16:09 |
| RhineDevil | No I mean how does the kernel interact with the GPU | 16:09 |
| RhineDevil | 'cause I don't get if it's just firmware loaded on the GPU and there is already FOSS code in the kernel containing instructions for talking with it or does it include also non-free code running in kernel space | 16:10 |
| gnarface | i thought the radeon driver worked that way before you had demonstrated it seeming to require the firmware-amd-graphics package, but the amdgpu driver i think has a massive kernelspace binary-only blob that basically is the replacement for a bunch of stuff Windows sneaks in from a side channel disguised as "os updates" | 16:11 |
| helpmeplease | Can I find a runit demon i2pd? | 16:11 |
| gnarface | helpmeplease: did you check in /usr/share/doc/runit/ or something like htat? | 16:12 |
| gnarface | *something like that | 16:12 |
| RhineDevil | helpmeplease: ask void guys, devuan usually doesn't bother writing init scripts for runit | 16:12 |
| gnarface | well, i don't think that's by design, i think donated scripts would be welcome | 16:12 |
| RhineDevil | gnarface: maybe but I'm not really sure, I've seen some people running the project being pretty conservative on lots of stuff | 16:14 |
| gnarface | RhineDevil: oh, i think i understand your question better; that's my assumption from what i'd heard about amdgpu, is that it's basically open source wrapper in kernel space around a binary blob similar to the nvidia one, with the difference being that amd's wrapper has slightly more functionality without the proprietary blob | 16:14 |
| gnarface | i'm no kernel dev though so that's a vague understanding based on hearsay | 16:15 |
| fsmithred | there is a runit-services package that has some run scripts. | 16:15 |
| gnarface | helpmeplease: ^ | 16:16 |
| RhineDevil | I mostly wonder if this binary blob is just running inside the GPU | 16:16 |
| gnarface | yea, i guess i don't actually have any idea whether it loads into video ram or system ram | 16:17 |
| helpmeplease | I used to be on artix with runit only | 16:17 |
| gnarface | helpmeplease: still got the install around? you might be able to use those scripts | 16:17 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=5555 | 16:18 |
| helpmeplease | Yes, it's in the main system | 16:18 |
| fsmithred | ^^^ helpmeplease see the list of services that have run scripts | 16:18 |
| helpmeplease | #!/bin/sh | 16:20 |
| helpmeplease | exec chpst -ui2pd i2pd \ | 16:20 |
| helpmeplease | --conf=/etc/i2pd/i2pd.conf \ | 16:20 |
| helpmeplease | --tunconf=/etc/i2pd/tunnels.conf \ | 16:20 |
| helpmeplease | --service 2>&1 | 16:20 |
| fsmithred | yeah, the old scripts should work with minor adjustments. I know debian/devuan puts runit files in different place from where void puts them. | 16:20 |
| helpmeplease | And in the place where there are no artix scripts | 16:21 |
| fsmithred | Here's a forum discussion about runit. Kinda long, but the debian maintainer for runit is there and there's talk about making run scripts. https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3716 | 16:23 |
| fsmithred | antix has some run scripts, too. Pretty sure they are linked somewhere in that thread. | 16:23 |
| helpmeplease | It seems I installed this daemon, but it displays everything in my tty1. How to fix? | 16:25 |
| gnarface | just guessing but either you forgot the "2>&1" in the startup script, or you need to make a change to rsyslog.conf | 16:28 |
| gnarface | depends on if what you're seeing in there is stdout or system logs | 16:28 |
| helpmeplease | And what to do if the Internet does not work in the demon? | 16:40 |
| gnarface | assuming the internet works outside said daemon, that's an issue with the daemon's config i assume... which daemon is it? | 16:42 |
| rustyaxe | you might need to call a priest | 16:42 |
| helpmeplease | Above is the demon's appetite. If you start it manually, then the Internet works | 16:43 |
| gnarface | hmm, is this in a VM of some sort? the only time i can recall seeing behavior similar to that it was a PAM issue inside a VM guest | 16:45 |
| helpmeplease | It's on the VDS server. | 16:46 |
| gnarface | VDS? | 16:46 |
| helpmeplease | Virtual Dedicated Server | 16:51 |
| gnarface | it might have to do with that | 16:51 |
| gnarface | that's my best guess | 16:51 |
| gnarface | when i had seen an issue like that it was on a linux-vservers guest but possibly they have similar caveats | 16:52 |
| helpmeplease | I understand. There, when I started it with my hands, it didn’t take the config from the file, but takes it through the demon. | 16:53 |
| gnarface | that could be a clue | 16:54 |
| helpmeplease | It turned out that the problem with the output was not solved. 2>&1 did not forget to do. | 17:02 |
| gnarface | helpmeplease: stick around, someone might know. you might also want to ask anyone who is an expert with this VDS you're using. | 17:20 |
| gnarface | since i suspect the issue might actually be specific to virtualization | 17:20 |
| _ds_ | gnarface, amdgpu contains no proprietary blobs, at least when built from kernel source; firmware-amd-graphics is GPU-side blobs. My understanding re. amdgpu as built from AMD's proprietary driver sources is that it also contains no binary blobs, but may never the less contain extra code. | 18:26 |
| _ds_ | (s/binary/proprietary/) | 18:27 |
| gnarface | ah, noted, thanks _ds_ | 18:27 |
| gnarface | RhineDevil^: ^^ | 18:27 |
| gnarface | yea, i was aware the proprietary version had extra code though the only thing i've heard of that cares is blender | 18:29 |
| gnarface | (blender can do gpu rendering, but only with the proprietary version) | 18:29 |
| tom-1 | Hello . I would appreciate any advice or help. | 18:34 |
| tom-1 | Please tell me if I install Polybar do I need to remove i3status ? | 18:34 |
| tom-1 | I also want to understand how to make the icons bigger, I tried these commands but they do not work:: | 18:34 |
| tom-1 | `rofi show run -sidebar-mode -theme xxxx -font "ttf-font-awesome 10" -show run -icon-theme "xxx" -show-icons '15'` | 18:34 |
| gnarface | tom-1: i assume that means you're using i3wm? stick around, someone certainly knows the answer but that's probably not gonna be super common knowledge | 18:38 |
| tom-1 | gnarface: Hello .ok | 18:39 |
| hacksenwerk | I tested the chimaera netinstaller iso. Disk encryption works there, but I encountered another bug. | 19:22 |
| hacksenwerk | After booting the iso I have the menu where I can choose install, or advanced options and there expert install. | 19:23 |
| hacksenwerk | All fine. | 19:23 |
| hacksenwerk | But as soon as I choose an installer I have having flickering on my screen, the text is partially unreadable and stuff like that. | 19:24 |
| hacksenwerk | I finished the installation anyway, cause I know all the steps since years. | 19:24 |
| hacksenwerk | But that was weird. And the daedalus netinstaller iso doesn't have this issue. | 19:25 |
| hacksenwerk | *heavy flickering - sorry | 19:25 |
| gnarface | hacksenwerk: does it happen in gui mode only? did you try it in text/ncurses mode? | 19:26 |
| hacksenwerk | gnarface: there is no gui installer | 19:26 |
| gnarface | hmm, no? i thought it had a x11 mode and a ncurses mode | 19:26 |
| gnarface | so you're saying it even is flickering in the ncurses mode? | 19:26 |
| hacksenwerk | yes | 19:27 |
| gnarface | that is pretty weird | 19:27 |
| gnarface | never seen that before in ncurses mode. graphical mode maybe, but not the ncurses one. | 19:27 |
| hacksenwerk | But the missing gui mode could be caused by libreboot maybe | 19:27 |
| gnarface | oh you're using libreboot? hmm, maybe. i don't know but it sounds possible. | 19:27 |
| fluffywolf | I thought netinst skipped the gui installer to save space? | 19:28 |
| hacksenwerk | yup | 19:28 |
| hacksenwerk | fluffywolf: isn't that only from daedalus on? | 19:28 |
| gnarface | fluffywolf: possibly. it's been so long since i used the gui mode i might not have noticed when it went missing. | 19:28 |
| hacksenwerk | gnarface: :) | 19:28 |
| hacksenwerk | me too | 19:28 |
| gnarface | hacksenwerk: the important part is that the flickering doesn't persist past downloading all the updates | 19:29 |
| hacksenwerk | It was gone after exiting the installer, booting chimaera, login and so on was fine. | 19:30 |
| fluffywolf | is this on some weird non-PC hardware? | 19:30 |
| gnarface | fluffywolf: libreboot | 19:30 |
| hacksenwerk | fluffywolf: libreboot is like coreboot, but without blobs | 19:31 |
| hacksenwerk | fluffywolf: coreboot is an opensource replacement for BIOS and UEFI | 19:31 |
| gnarface | they might just be getting some voltage setting wrong for your particular hardware | 19:31 |
| hacksenwerk | or short: libreboot is opensource boot firmware | 19:31 |
| gnarface | you should ask them if it could be | 19:32 |
| fluffywolf | ok, so it's probably a bios bug, not an installer bug, then. lol. I can't imagine ncurses breaking any functional hardware... | 19:32 |
| hacksenwerk | gnarface: i don't know, but othe rinstallers, also daedalus working fine, so... | 19:32 |
| gnarface | hmm, pretty odd, for sure. | 19:32 |
| hacksenwerk | fluffywolf: but there is a *curse* in ncurses! | 19:32 |
| hacksenwerk | ;) | 19:33 |
| fsmithred | the graphical installer was removed because it got too big. | 19:40 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: good decision! :) | 19:40 |
| fsmithred | ncurses is easier to use, anyway. | 19:41 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: yeah even for beginners. | 19:41 |
| fsmithred | flickering I have not seen, but distorted screen can happen if the installer picks a bad screen resolution for your hardware. | 19:42 |
| fsmithred | I have to specify the size at the boot menu on my toshiba laptop or else it's scrambled. | 19:43 |
| gnarface | hmm, i do recall one other time i ran into intermittent screen flickering that seemed to be software/firmware related (because different versions of stuff could make it come and go) but actually turned out to be a loose internal display cable. it was also a toshiba laptop.... | 19:44 |
| hacksenwerk | The inbuilt display of this laptop is from toshiba. | 19:54 |
| hacksenwerk | I go ask at #toshibawhatdidyoudotomyinstaller | 19:55 |
| hacksenwerk | Btw: I must really esteem how you devuan people desiggn devuan.org | 20:05 |
| hacksenwerk | It has a clean and simple look, everything is easy to find. | 20:05 |
| hacksenwerk | And it is fast loading because monsterous banners and stuff are "missing". | 20:06 |
| hacksenwerk | It is a very good example of how a website must be writen. | 20:06 |
| gnarface | they'll be happy to hear that | 20:07 |
| gnarface | no cookies, and no javascript, and they're quite proud of that fact | 20:07 |
| hacksenwerk | It is KISS: Keep It Simple Stylish | 20:07 |
| hacksenwerk | ;) | 20:07 |
| hacksenwerk | gnarface: yeah what for you need js or cookies there. | 20:08 |
| hacksenwerk | It's perfect. | 20:08 |
| hacksenwerk | Nowadays there are tons of websites that forces you to enable cookies or js, or both, to make simple text or images visible... broken web. | 20:09 |
| hacksenwerk | But that's for: #devuan-offtopic | 20:09 |
| golinux | hacksenwerk: Thanks for the shout-out! | 20:24 |
| hacksenwerk | golinux: Your welcome! :) | 20:25 |
| golinux | We practice what we preach!! | 20:25 |
| hacksenwerk | golinux: Yes. And that's rare these days. | 20:26 |
| rustyaxe | you can have a little havascript and not be evil. | 20:28 |
| rustyaxe | Stuff like jquery for dealng with ajax requests saves a lot of reloading the whole page when scrolling through a list, for example. | 20:28 |
| hacksenwerk | rustyaxe: come here -> #devuan-offtopic | 20:29 |
| dbbs | :V | 22:57 |
| dbbs | I have a help to ask please <:3cc | 22:57 |
| dbbs | I just ran apt update and upgrade all | 22:57 |
| dbbs | and | 22:58 |
| dbbs | it keeps giving me these messages with different packages | 22:58 |
| dbbs | <dbbs> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory | 22:58 |
| dbbs | <dbbs> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory | 22:58 |
| dbbs | <dbbs> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory | 22:58 |
| dbbs | What do I do? | 22:58 |
| dbbs | :V | 22:58 |
| fsmithred | maybe... dpkg-reconfigure locales | 23:00 |
| fsmithred | assuming the locales package is installed | 23:01 |
| dbbs | ok let me try that | 23:03 |
| dbbs | well it's regenerating the locales it seems | 23:05 |
| dbbs | which may take a bit... | 23:05 |
| dbbs | but | 23:05 |
| dbbs | thanks fsmithred if this works :3 | 23:05 |
| gnarface | dbbs: you might have to log out and back in again | 23:08 |
| dbbs | ok | 23:31 |
| dbbs | It seems like it's working :3c | 23:34 |
| dbbs | thanks guys | 23:34 |
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