| dan9er[m] | Hello! I want to install Devuan Chimaera on my Windows 10 PC as dual-boot. I know how to shrink the C: partition. However, in my BIOS Windows is listed as BIOS boot, not UEFI. Looking at Debian's tutorial, it too assumes Windows is UEFI. Am I missing something here? And does Devuan's installer support setting up dual boot, or is that not ported from Debian's? | 00:28 |
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| dan9er[m] | Brb, gonna eat | 00:29 |
| ted-ious | dan9er[m]: Unless you have a reason for staying back on chimaera you should probably use the daedalus installer so you don't have to upgrade for 2 or 3 years. | 00:31 |
| dan9er[m] | ? | 01:06 |
| dan9er[m] | ted-ious: Daedalus isn't out yet, is it? I know Bookworm was released on the 10th but I don't see anywhere about Daedalus being ready | 01:09 |
| Xenguy | dan9er[m], Still working on the Daedalus release | 01:14 |
| dan9er[m] | Yeah, that's what I thought | 01:15 |
| dan9er[m] | Not sure what ted is on about | 01:15 |
| fsmithred | daedalus is ready, but the installer isos and the live isos may or may not be ready. rc1 isos have been uploaded. | 01:22 |
| fsmithred | afk | 01:23 |
| ted-ious | dan9er[m]: The final installer isn't released but you can use the beta iso's to get the final packages installed. | 01:39 |
| ted-ious | So unless you run into a bug during the installation there's really nothing stopping you from skipping chimaera now. | 01:40 |
| swomp226[m] | Hi | 01:43 |
| swomp226[m] | Can I migrate to devuan from debian 12 installed on encrypted disk? Will there be any problems? | 01:45 |
| grayrock | changing all instances of "chimaera" to "daedalus" in sources list, then doing an uodate, upgrade, and dist-upgrade worked flawlessly here. | 01:45 |
| dan9er[m] | swomp226: uh grayrock is refering to me | 01:47 |
| swomp226[m] | So, encrypted disk is not a problem? | 01:48 |
| swomp226[m] | I want to install openrc and I'm afraid the system won't be able to boot | 01:50 |
| ted-ious | swomp226[m]: Even if you mess up you should be able to open the luks volume and mount the root partition from a rescue cd. | 01:51 |
| ted-ious | Just read thru the procedure several times to make sure you understand it and then take your time. | 01:52 |
| ted-ious | You'll be fine. :) | 01:52 |
| swomp226[m] | But I won't have a rescue cd anytime soon | 01:53 |
| swomp226[m] | Thank you | 01:54 |
| swomp226[m] | I'll try to migrate later | 01:54 |
| g00zy | I need to back up a new box with an old architecture. If I create a usb boot medium with the chimaera minimal live i386 will it have EFI (it has to)? | 15:01 |
| djph | g00zy: er, what 32-bit hardware has EFI booting? | 15:16 |
| g00zy | A Linx 1020 Pro | 15:18 |
| djph | huh, I must be getting the wrong results from google, as it says that machine has an Atom z83x0 64 bit proc ... | 15:21 |
| g00zy | OK, thanks. I'd better check | 15:24 |
| g00zy | Is it possible that the *EFI* needs to be 32 bit? | 15:26 |
| djph | I recall some garbage implementations that needed that. Can't say specifically about that machine though | 15:34 |
| g00zy | I think actually EFI64 might be alright. I think I was thrown off my someone telling me this box was 32 bit. Should have been more sceptical ;) | 15:53 |
| djph | g00zy: allegedly, it ships with 32-bit win10 ... which is about par for course with win-tablets with <4 G of RAM | 16:01 |
| g00zy | Maybe that's what confused things | 16:04 |
| dan9er[m] | Who signed the SHA256SUMS for the Daedalus installer isos? 0x619933B4CD8A974 is not in the keychain | 16:48 |
| djph | doesn't seem to be on public keyservers either | 16:50 |
| djph | dan9er[m]: er, where'd you get the SHA256 checksum/sig file from? | 16:53 |
| dan9er[m] | djph: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_daedalus/installer-iso/ | 16:54 |
| djph | huh, I see it as signed by 0x680B5A1F661ECDBC ... | 16:57 |
| djph | Made tuesday the 27th. | 16:57 |
| djph | gpg: using RSA key 619933B4CD8A97408A3C47E2680B5A1F661ECDBC | 16:57 |
| dan9er[m] | yeah that's what I get | 16:58 |
| dan9er[m] | who tf is this | 16:59 |
| djph | oh, you gave the wrong half of the key | 16:59 |
| dan9er[m] | oh | 16:59 |
| dan9er[m] | you shorten to the later half? who would've thunk | 17:00 |
| dan9er[m] | Oh, well that doesn't matter because that's not listed on https://www.devuan.org/os/team either | 17:01 |
| djph | well, the last 4 or 8 bytes (8 or 16 characters) | 17:01 |
| djph | Given the name matching ... | 17:02 |
| djph | Ralph “rrq” Rönnquist :: seasoned old school wizard, GPG key 0x70285BA5CF280BA4 | 17:02 |
| djph | Seems though that he's updated his key, and that webpage hasn't reflected it | 17:02 |
| djph | I do see both keys have been signed by bb|hcb :: Infra DNS+networking, mirrors, eudev and gpsd forks, GPG key 0x1365720913D2F22D | 17:05 |
| dan9er[m] | djph: Where are you getting this from? Where can I DL the new key | 17:07 |
| djph | where am I getting what from? | 17:08 |
| dan9er[m] | How did you conclude this is rrq's key? | 17:09 |
| starrcade | Henlo all, I am having an issue with getting no audio from a fresh Chimera install, I removed pulseaudio thinking that'd do it but that didn't work, confirmed Alsamixer did load my intel sound driver, should i reinstall pulse or is it something that's not picking up from the device? | 17:10 |
| djph | dan9er[m]: stab in the dark, as in "Ralph 'rrq' Ronnquist" has a relatively high chance of being "Ralph Ronnquist <rrq@rrq.au>". | 17:15 |
| djph | dan9er[m]: then one goes and pokes around at a public keyserver. "0x680B5A1F661ECDBC" is signed by "0x7729547634107541" is signed by "0x70285ba5cf280ba4" ... | 17:16 |
| dan9er[m] | found it http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x680B5A1F661ECDBC | 17:21 |
| dan9er[m] | fyi not posting the link was suspicious | 17:22 |
| djph | huh? | 17:22 |
| djph | pgp.mit.edu is suspicious? | 17:22 |
| dan9er[m] | No, "oh, this is rrq's new key [no link]" & "it's on a public keyserver [still no link to such server]" was suspicious | 17:23 |
| dan9er[m] | sorry but this is an OS we're talking about, wanted to make sure | 17:24 |
| djph | Sorry that you think someone across the internet is suspicious because they got a phone call before pasting the links. | 17:26 |
| djph | But hey, sure, just go ahead and accuse them of "suspicious behavior" :( | 17:27 |
| dan9er[m] | fucking off sorry | 17:27 |
| djph | dan9er[m]: I wasn't telling you to fuck off there. Just a bit taken aback that you went there ... | 17:28 |
| starrcade | following up on my sound issue, I am also getting this: alsa-lib main.c:1014:(snd_use_case_mgr_open) error: failed to import hw:0 use case configuration -6 | 17:29 |
| starrcade | o_o | 17:38 |
| djph | starrcade: I doubt it'll help, but ... https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=266694 | 17:43 |
| starrcade | djph doubt these nuts lmao | 17:53 |
| starrcade | but i didreinstall pulse and then did Pavumeter, attempting to play a song has the output as S/PDIF on the volume control | 17:53 |
| starrcade | and the only thing alsamixer shows as a device using sp-dif or whatever tf it is, happens to be: | 17:55 |
| starrcade | 01:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GT216 HDMI Audio Controller (rev a1) | 17:55 |
| starrcade | Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] GT216 HDMI Audio Controller | 17:55 |
| starrcade | upon further inspection, it's forcing it to sp/dif o_O | 18:08 |
| starrcade | And now apparently headphones work | 18:15 |
| onefang | Headphone sockets tend to switch out the output to feed directly to the headphones, so that likely switched out your SP/DIF. | 18:31 |
| onefang | The SP/DIF output is likely on a different hardware device, or like mine, same hardware, different device number. | 18:32 |
| onefang | To your analog output I meant. Just woke up. | 18:33 |
| starrcade | There's two audio devices that this laptop is using: | 18:34 |
| starrcade | --The intel one I pasted earlier, that has it's sp/dif | 18:34 |
| starrcade | and this Nvidia one for HDMI Output: | 18:34 |
| starrcade | 01:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GT216 HDMI Audio Controller (rev a1) | 18:34 |
| starrcade | Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] GT216 HDMI Audio Controller | 18:34 |
| starrcade | The Nvdia one, when viewed in Alsamixer, has three or four spdif meters but again, this is for HDMI | 18:34 |
| onefang | My graphics card has six audio outputs, for it's four video outputs. No idea why. lol | 18:35 |
| starrcade | PulseAudio on the other hand, wants to/is forced to use the sp/dif on the intel card itself, so I guess we can rule out Nvidia | 18:35 |
| starrcade | Is there a way i can just re-route this to not use the sp/dif and make it act normal? | 18:40 |
| onefang | Dunno, I avoid PulseAudio these days. | 18:41 |
| starrcade | Purging it results in my system refusing to pick up the speaker as output | 18:42 |
| onefang | First thing you gotta figure out is which output device is actually routing to the laptop speakers. Entirely possible one of those HDMI SDIFs is internally. Then tell ALSA to use it. | 18:47 |
| onefang | First thing I gotta do now is finish waking up and eat brekky. lol | 18:48 |
| starrcade | mood. Am i editing a config file to force this? | 18:50 |
| onefang | starrcade: it might be worthwhile trying pipewire instead of pulseaudio, before getting deeply technical with config files. | 19:35 |
| starrcade | Pipewire is already in there, I think if it's not being used at the moment I may need to add it in runinit? | 20:17 |
| scorpion2185[m] | pipewire of Chimaera? | 20:19 |
| starrcade | Correct, the more i think about it maybe it's an init thing after all rather than driver related | 20:27 |
| bb|hcb | djph, dan9er[m]: Yes, that is rrq's new key; not yet published on the web site, I will prepare a PR for that now | 20:49 |
| djph | bb|hcb: yay, I can sleuth a bit :) | 21:12 |
| Guest4445 | How make login to root account withiut passwd? | 22:06 |
| djph | Guest4445: one doesn't do that. | 22:11 |
| Guest4445 | Not connected to inet and only user | 22:12 |
| djph | ... and? | 22:12 |
| Guest4445 | Maybe anyone can help me here? | 22:13 |
| rwp | It's possible. But there are several layers of login control and each of those layers currently prevent no password root login. You would need to work through each layer and disable that restriction on each layer. | 22:14 |
| Guest4445 | Ok i use single user mode by the way | 22:15 |
| rwp | It might be easier to provide a no password non-root user (sometimes called kiosk mode) and then set up sudo for NOPASSWD and have the .profile "sudo -i" at login. | 22:16 |
| rwp | Single user mode? That's only one control IIRC. But off the top of my head I don't remember which thing asks for a password at single user mode time. | 22:16 |
| Guest4445 | No, i use only root for rt tasks | 22:16 |
| rwp | That's a non-sequitur. It just does not matter. | 22:17 |
| Guest4445 | Sulogin asks | 22:17 |
| rwp | Anyway... It sounds like you know what you are doing. I'll leave you to it. Good luck! | 22:18 |
| n4dir | i'd assume you autologin as root just as you would autologin as a user, something-something in /etc/inittab Guest4445 | 22:24 |
| n4dir | you could then add an startx to ~/.profile, if you want to get a gui | 22:25 |
| n4dir | not saying it is a good idea, or a better than the one proposed, just what i would try if i had the urge to do such | 22:25 |
| bb|hcb | djph: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/www.devuan.org/pulls/23 | 22:30 |
| bb|hcb | Although I am not sure if that will be made public before the release of daedalus | 22:31 |
| djph | bb|hcb: neat :). I wasn't worried about it, but nice to see the error getting rectified :) | 22:33 |
| Guest4445 | How? | 23:08 |
| Guest4445 | Where puf startx? | 23:08 |
| Guest4445 | Put | 23:09 |
| n4dir | first get the autologin sorted, then worry about if putting "startx" in ~/.profile is really a good idea. I can't say i like it, but it's the first thing which came to my mind | 23:09 |
| n4dir | not saying i wouldn't wonder why you want to run X as root, but that is none of my business | 23:10 |
| Guest4445 | As i told realtime scheduling works only for root and no other way | 23:11 |
| n4dir | i'd try what i said, inputrc, then figure out how to automatically startx. I am out, good luck. | 23:15 |
| Guest4445 | Ok | 23:16 |
| Guest4445 | How autologin in single usermode? | 23:50 |
| rustytaco | I think this is one of those cases of, if you need to do what you think you need to do, you'd already understand why you shouldnt do it, and thus how to do it -.- | 23:52 |
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