| brocashelm | on a runit system, i only have sysvinit-utils still installed from the sysvinit packages. if i remove it, will i still be able to manage services with runit, or just keep it anyway? i got runit-services installed from experimental | 07:47 |
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| gnarface | i think the runit install may be like the openrc install in that debian has set it up to be able to use the sysvinit scripts and has become dependent upon them. i don't think anything will change if you remove it except that you may need to populate a bunch of missing runit service files or whatever they call them. | 07:48 |
| brocashelm | sv status /etc/service/* displays things like anacron, cron, dbus, dhclient, elogind, network-manager, openntpd, rsyslog, and uuidd; i guess what's missing might not carry over to runit is what i am understanding? | 07:50 |
| brocashelm | stuff like ufw, sysstat, smartmontools, eudev, hddtemp, clamav-freshclam, cpufreqd, eudev, hwclock.sh, etc. are still in traditional sysv services | 07:51 |
| gnarface | i haven't used it myself but i assume you're right | 07:53 |
| gnarface | the sysvinit scripts are in /etc/init.d/ | 07:54 |
| gnarface | i don't have a /etc/service/ here so i assume those must be your runit scripots | 07:55 |
| gnarface | scripts* | 07:55 |
| gnarface | there might be a good reason they left it that way, or it might just be that nobody wanted to finish the work | 07:59 |
| SeaBreeze | Hi everybody, from Italy! | 08:39 |
| gnarface | welcome, SeaBreeze. it can be a slow channel so just ask your questions and wait | 08:40 |
| SeaBreeze | Ok, no problem. I've only joined the channel for now. I've been using Devuan for a few years, waiting for Daedalus (when ready) | 08:45 |
| brocashelm | seabreeze: you can install daedalus anytime you wish. it's been pretty good in the last several months (i dropped to it from ceres) | 08:47 |
| SeaBreeze | Yes yes I know, but I'm not in a hurry and prefer to use stable branch. | 08:55 |
| SeaBreeze | Ah, I've seen the Sapphire theme... Love it! Great work! | 08:57 |
| Xenguy | ^^ golinux | 09:22 |
| ama | Hello! I'm having trouble with apt in a few boxes. It doesn't matter which repositories I add in my sources.list file, they always try to download packages from debian.map.fastlydns.net:80 (151.101.134.132), and the connection fails (time out). Any idea on how to solv this problem, please? | 11:31 |
| rrq | sounds like proxy setup | 11:48 |
| rrq | ama: look at /etc/apt/apt.conf and all /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/* files for Acquire::http::proxy ... and comment it out | 11:50 |
| ama | Thank you, rrq. There isn't any Acquire::... entry on /etc/apt/apt.conf or any of the .d/ files. | 12:27 |
| ama | I'm running those systems as LXC containers, in case it might help... | 12:28 |
| ama | Ah, wait, but it's happening on the host OS as well... | 12:29 |
| ama | There isn't any Acquire::... entries there either | 12:30 |
| DPA | Did you also check the sources.list.d/ directory? Does "env | grep -i proxy" show anything? | 12:45 |
| ama_ | Sorry. Got disconnected. :-( | 12:46 |
| DPA | Did you also check the sources.list.d/ directory? Does "env | grep -i proxy" show anything? | 12:51 |
| onefang | ama_: Note that this is Debian mirror infrastructure that you are having a problem with. Most of our package mirrors redirect to Debian servers for packages we don't fork. | 12:54 |
| ama_ | "env | grep -i proxy" doesn't show anything, and /sources.list.d/ is empty. | 12:54 |
| ama_ | I understand that, onefang, thank you. | 12:54 |
| gnarface | ama: can you show your /etc/apt/ssources.list? | 14:48 |
| gnarface | use paste.debian.net or just /msg it to me, i'll sanity check it for you | 14:52 |
| ama | Sure, gnarface: https://nosbin.com/nevent1qqs2nj2eqj0lescr5kllxev0ghjl4zttetl726n5gt6stzl84s54k8cprdmhxue69uhkummnw3ez6ur4vgh8xetdd9ek7mpwv3jhvqglwaehxw309ahx7um5wgh8wctvd3jhgmmxwdshgmmndp5jucm0d5q3jamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3w0fjkyetyv4jjucmvda6kgqg5waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t0qyt8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnwdaeky6tw9e3k7mgpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnfdenx7aynsah | 14:54 |
| gnarface | ama: use paste.debian.net or /msg it to me | 14:54 |
| ama | I rather use a sane alternative to the paste services :-) | 14:55 |
| gnarface | that would be /msg | 14:56 |
| ama | That would be nosbin, but I could also /msg it, of course. | 14:57 |
| gnarface | try removing the "de." so the hostname is just deb.devuan.org | 14:58 |
| gnarface | the country prefixes are not maintained | 14:59 |
| ama | It doesn't matter whether I add a country specific domain or not... it behaves the same | 14:59 |
| gnarface | i'm surprised there's even still a record there | 14:59 |
| gnarface | may be a problem with the routing then | 14:59 |
| ama | In fact, I added the .de a couple of hours ago to try if it'd help | 14:59 |
| ama | It might be a routing problem, perhaps, but oddly enough 'apt update' works just fine, whereas 'apt upgrade' fails. | 15:01 |
| onefang | The country prefixes are back, we just haven't officially announced it yet. Soonish. | 15:06 |
| onefang | Assuming my life doesn't go to shit again. lol | 15:06 |
| ama | They work fine for me, onefang, indeed, just not on those few servers. | 15:07 |
| ama | As for the routing... I can ping and SSH in and out of those servers, and apt works fine on a bunch of other boxes on the same subnet. | 15:10 |
| nemo | uuuugh man upstream can be frustrating. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-vmware/-/issues/8 ran into this bug on a dev machine after the Xorg log grew to 10 gigs in size | 19:04 |
| nemo | reported 6 years ago. last plaintive update for a merge 1 year ago | 19:04 |
| nemo | no response from anyone | 19:04 |
| nemo | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=845496 heh. 20 gigs consumed. 10 gigs from the issue with vf86-video-vmware, and 10 gigs from brltty... | 19:13 |
| nemo | at least brltty can just be removed.. | 19:16 |
| nemo | heh. brltty had spammed the syslog 83 million times | 19:20 |
| nemo | hmmm and way too many DHCPREQUEST too.. | 19:23 |
| nemo | heh. although given this machine has been running continuously for 660 days.. | 19:26 |
| nemo | apparently users don't reboot unless you ask them to | 19:26 |
| ama | Reboots are for hardware upgrades. :-) | 19:27 |
| nemo | removing brltty from everything. | 19:29 |
| nemo | so between Xorg.0.log syslog and daemon.log those 2 bugs above in log spamminess had sucked up 30 gigs of space on this machine | 19:31 |
| nemo | there maybe should be some default cutoffs on the size of those logs :( | 19:32 |
| nemo | can't fix the xorg issue. can only restart slim periodically | 19:32 |
| nemo | 8 million DHCP alerts... | 19:48 |
| nemo | can I just plug these 3 logs into logrotate? would it break anything? | 19:49 |
| nemo | I'd like to avoid this issue in the future without mandating people reboot | 19:49 |
| nemo | I mean, they are devs, you really would think they would, but... | 19:49 |
| nemo | maybe she forgot about this machine | 19:49 |
| nemo | crap. I forgot to note down when the log messages stopped... that was silly of me... it could easily have run out of space a while ago. she hadn't logged in too recently | 19:59 |
| nemo | would've been interesting to know exactly how long it would take those 2 bugs to fill up a modest disc | 19:59 |
| nemo | dædalus is still not officially stable right? | 20:14 |
| fluffywolf | unicode! | 20:14 |
| bb|hcb | nemo: You can consider it stable. Install media is not yet ready (rc1 came yesterday) and website/announcements are not made, but the packages are stable | 20:15 |
| nemo | kk thx | 20:16 |
| nemo | will the next release be elæon ? | 20:23 |
| nemo | I vote for færie for the one after that 😝 | 20:23 |
| fluffywolf | I vote we stop using words with "ae" in the name. :P | 20:24 |
| nemo | heh. fine. but I was entertained by it. not that my input on this matters. | 20:25 |
| nemo | just don't use "fæcal" 😉 | 20:28 |
| nemo | hm... looks like it could continue though. https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Category:English_terms_spelled_with_%C3%86 | 20:29 |
| FatPhil | nothing wrong with "ae", it's unnecessary imposition of typographical choices by using a ligature when a digraph will do that's the problem. | 21:40 |
| nemo | ? | 21:44 |
| nemo | oh. heh. you object to the unicode. meh. everyone supports basic multilingual plane these days. I can have a bit of fun in IRC without people being uptight I imagine. | 21:48 |
| nemo | free configuration testing | 21:48 |
| psb_ | devuan hosting, who offers same? | 22:51 |
| mason | psb_: Not sure, but remember that you can install Debian and migrate it. Some providers let you install from an ISO, which would be a good bet. Vultr is one such. | 22:59 |
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