| Xenguy | fsmithred: Still chewing on that problem from yesterday. Would you be able to have a look and see if this operation looks like a 'very bad idea[TM]' ? | 03:13 |
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| Xenguy | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/5b6951eb/ | 03:13 |
| Xenguy | IIUC the gist is to substitue elogind for consolekit | 03:14 |
| Xenguy | *substitute | 03:14 |
| fsmithred | Xenguy, why do you want libpam-systemd? | 03:16 |
| fsmithred | and if you're using consolekit, shouldn't you have libpam-ck-connector? | 03:17 |
| fsmithred | I use elogind. It works. I don't see anything bad there unless you really want to use consolekit. | 03:19 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred: Both of the 2 'dangling threads' files depend on libpam-systemd | 03:19 |
| fsmithred | use libpam-elogind instead if you must go that way. | 03:20 |
| Xenguy | Is it a bad idea to chuck consolekit out, and welcome elogind in? | 03:21 |
| Xenguy | I don't really know what either of them is about | 03:21 |
| fsmithred | I don't think so. | 03:21 |
| Xenguy | OK, so if either is okay, then perhaps I'll try the operation I pasted most recently | 03:22 |
| fsmithred | elogind is a forked bit of systemd, so some people don't want it. | 03:22 |
| Xenguy | And I will keep your comment about 'libpam-elogind' in mind | 03:22 |
| Xenguy | It's not that I want any part of systemd of course, but perhaps I could try this operation to resolve the dependency issue, and then try switching back to consolekit afterwards, or that's my thought at the moment | 03:24 |
| fsmithred | good luck and good night | 03:26 |
| Xenguy | gn | 03:28 |
| Xenguy | Interesting, so I did that operation, and now the 2 dangling files dependencies are resolved... | 03:29 |
| Xenguy | So the problem (like last time when I upgraded online from ASCII to Beowulf) has to do with whether elogind or consolekit is installed, at the time of upgrade | 03:30 |
| Xenguy | Now I'm going to try substituting consolekit back for elogind | 03:30 |
| Xenguy | And that looks like a very bad idea LOL | 03:33 |
| Xenguy | Okay, looks like I'm stuck with elogind then, but at least my dependency issues are resolved | 03:34 |
| Weezy1 | hello friends | 03:55 |
| Weezy1 | .0 | 03:56 |
| rrq | how do I make the firefox scrollbar to show up as something else than meagerly light gray on slightly lighter gray? | 07:08 |
| brocashelm | i haven't messed with that much myself, but wouldn't that depend on which ff theme you applied? or maybe which gtk theme you have that adjusts the scrollbars? | 07:10 |
| rrq | no idea :( I expected the scrollbar marker to be vsisible by default.. let's see if I have versions... | 07:11 |
| rrq | firefox 115.3esr (64-bit) .. [daedalus standard] | 07:12 |
| brocashelm | maybe something in about:config? | 07:12 |
| brocashelm | for "scrollbar" | 07:12 |
| brocashelm | personally, i use pale moon, and the scrollbar is the native gtk i use | 07:13 |
| rrq | doesn't seem t be any scrollbar colors in about:config | 07:14 |
| brocashelm | hmm, even changing different gtk themes on your DE hasn't changed its appearance? | 07:15 |
| rrq | I haven't changed anything ... seems I'm using LXQt 1.2.0 | 07:16 |
| rrq | so "gtk theme" would be some file(s) somewhere? | 07:17 |
| brocashelm | i found this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/custom-scrollbars/ | 07:17 |
| brocashelm | dunno if that helps, but seems like you could at least change a couple things | 07:18 |
| rrq | mmm maybe its in the gtk settings, since the terminal windows also have the same problem... that marker on the scrollbar is invisible (almost) | 07:21 |
| rrq | so the "window manager" dialog offers a "Theme" selector, and fiddling that changes the scrollbar a little.. but its colors stay the same | 07:27 |
| rrq | it seems this coloring comes from /usr/share/themes/Clearlooks-Phenix-Sapphire/gtk-3.0/gtk.css | 07:28 |
| rrq | thanks for the pointers | 07:31 |
| brocashelm | np | 07:33 |
| brocashelm | maybe that custom scrollbars add-on could work for a more customized look within the program, instead of tinkering with gtk proper | 07:34 |
| brocashelm | personally, i don't use light themes anymore; my choice in dark theme is artix-dark (which i made even darker than the original artix spin) over adwaita-xfce-dark | 07:35 |
| brocashelm | so the scrollbar looks "normal" to me on my main browser (pale moon) | 07:36 |
| brocashelm | i only "use" firefox-esr when some anti-feature sites won't work on pale moon | 07:36 |
| gnarface | firefox fundamentally changed how their scrollbars render | 07:48 |
| gnarface | i'm sure gtk still styles them but i'm not hopeful that you can actually change them back to the old rendering behavior just by changing the theme | 07:49 |
| gnarface | they now (in violation of w3c standards) have a weird "shrinking on loss of focus then auto-hide" behavior that seems to have nothing to do with previous expected behavior for scrollbars, and though i haven't tested it probably can't be disabled just with css rules the way the old "hide" behavior used to work | 07:51 |
| gnarface | as in, they hide no matter what | 07:51 |
| gnarface | and they also change width on focus, though it's annoyingly harder to attain focus now, because the hidden version is shrunk to pinstripe thickness | 07:52 |
| rrq | hmm do I have to restart the window manager for every color change test? | 08:00 |
| gnarface | you should only have to restart firefox to test firefox | 08:01 |
| gnarface | if your window manager is also using gtk3 though you probably have to restart it to see the changes there though, yes | 08:01 |
| gnarface | so far this annoying scrollbar behavior i've only seen happening in firefox though | 08:01 |
| rrq | well, the terminal has the same gray on gray (xfce4-terminal I think) | 08:02 |
| gnarface | . o O (hmm, is it possible firefox is my only gtk3 program with scrollbars to review?) | 08:02 |
| gnarface | well, thunderbird is doing it too but that's not exactly conclusive since they're both from the same team | 08:03 |
| gnarface | i could have sworn i've seen other gtk3 programs not doing this but now i'm not so sure | 08:06 |
| brocashelm | the new thunderbird "ui" is godawful | 08:07 |
| brocashelm | i can't seem to revert it back to what it was just before without doing a version downgrade and locking the package | 08:08 |
| rrq | how do I run 2 xfce4-terminal concurrently? | 08:09 |
| gnarface | yea it's pretty terrible but it's just ugly. this scrollbar thing happened much earlier and is actually functionally crippled. | 08:09 |
| brocashelm | rrq: what do you mean? you can add a tab to your xfce4-terminal | 08:10 |
| rrq | I want to run 2 processes | 08:10 |
| brocashelm | yeah, you can add another instance of it, individual window or a tab in one | 08:10 |
| rrq | no, 2 xfce4-terminal processes | 08:10 |
| rrq | (ok running one as root works) | 08:13 |
| rrq | but the new one ignores my css fiddling :( | 08:14 |
| gnarface | since it's part of xfce i can't be sure xfce isn't caching the theme for it or something like that | 08:15 |
| gnarface | but i'd try exiting both processes completely just to see if that works anyway | 08:16 |
| rrq | mmm it looks for "settings.ini" in a few places and some gtk.css in some... but not themed | 08:16 |
| gnarface | if it reads settings.ini you should be able to set a theme there... | 08:17 |
| gnarface | ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini | 08:17 |
| gnarface | do you have a theme specified in that file? | 08:17 |
| gnarface | by default you might not | 08:17 |
| gnarface | i've always had to edit it by hand | 08:18 |
| rrq | right.. maybe ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css ... (each user) | 08:18 |
| gnarface | oh, yea you'd have to change root's or programs launched as root would ignore it too | 08:18 |
| rrq | hmm there's an /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gtk-3.0/3.0.0/immodules.cache | 08:19 |
| gnarface | i do not have any file called ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css | 08:19 |
| gnarface | i do have /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gtk-3.0/3.0.0/immodules.cache though | 08:19 |
| gnarface | but i'm using enlightenment, so if there's some gtk3 tie-in to the window manager that xfce is sharing with xfce-terminal it wouldn't be active here | 08:21 |
| rrq | I have LXQt mostly but I use xfce4-terminal as terminal (due to personal view on qterminal) | 08:22 |
| rrq | most processes sit under lxqt-session I think | 08:23 |
| gnarface | ah, yea i'm not actually running any session manager here, either, though i wouldn't have previously expected it to be a factor in this | 08:23 |
| rrq | except my root xfce4-terminal which I started from `ssh root@localhost` | 08:24 |
| rrq | (it made some noise about failing to connect to SESSION_MANAGER) | 08:26 |
| onefang | Odd, on my Chimaera Firefox-ESR the scroll bar is light gray on black, many pixels think, doesn't vanish when I focus other windows' and highlights in a lighter gray when I hover over it. | 08:27 |
| rrq | you're using dark theme I guess | 08:27 |
| onefang | Oh and the only difference on pages with no CSS for screwing with it is the background is gray, and the bar is lighter. | 08:28 |
| onefang | Yep, dark theme. | 08:28 |
| rrq | I'm using "light theme" .. the scrollbar trough i slight gray and the slider is also light gray though possibly alittle bit darker... and then it goes medium gray when I happen to hover the mouse on it | 08:30 |
| rrq | I would want the slider to be visible at a glance without having to find it to see it | 08:31 |
| rrq | I think I'm using Clearlooks-Phenix-Sapphire/gtk3-0/gtk.css | 08:34 |
| rrq | can I run 2 firefox maybe? | 08:39 |
| gnarface | oh, maybe you're not seeing the same thing i'm seeing... the shrinking scrollbar thing might have never been in chimaera, i'm not sure | 08:45 |
| rrq | I have widget.gtk.overlay-scrollbars.enabled=false which seems like a good thing | 08:46 |
| rrq | and also widget.gtk.alt-theme.scrollbar_active=false | 08:46 |
| gnarface | is that what disables it? thanks. | 08:46 |
| rrq | it seems I have to learn much/most/all about gtk--3.0 theming just to get a visible scrollbar slider | 08:49 |
| rrq | .. and possibly I need to run a VM or similar in order to trial different settings ... | 08:50 |
| rrq | somewhere in the story it has lost the label "convenient" | 08:51 |
| rrq | hmm there's gtk-chtheme for fiddling with gtk-2.0 theme.. anything similar for gtk-3.0 ? | 08:56 |
| gnarface | nothing comes to mind, i just edit my settings.ini by hand | 09:25 |
| gnarface | seems like there should be something though, i have just assumed it's not part of my window manager | 09:25 |
| gnarface | you should be able to just change the value of gtk-theme-name in there to the name of a different directory in /usr/share/themes/, then restart your gtk3 program | 09:29 |
| brocashelm | is anyone currently testing excalibur? i find i have to keep getting certain packages from ceres if daedalus-backports doesn't have them, but i don't want to go back to rolling releases | 10:02 |
| hagbard | I am currently usng excalibur as a rollin release. | 10:11 |
| brocashelm | the libgudev bug was rather concerning a few months ago | 10:21 |
| rkta | As I did not see it already shared here and might be interesting to some: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37853434 Devuan is on HN page 1. | 13:27 |
| golinux | rrq: A lot of the Clearlooks gtk3 stuff has been deprecated. Those changes also nuked the color of the active tab and I have to strain to see which one is open. Until someone steps up to take over the theming and sort things we are at gnomes mercy | 17:33 |
| youni | Hello. I have laptop with Coreboot. And there worked trisquel fine. But i installed devuan with sysvinit. During installation I've chosen copy grub to MBR. And now my laptop is not bootin, just showing fatal error in a loop, and there is no grub menu at all. I think I need some instructions of how to install devuan and cook it with coreboot ? | 21:04 |
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