| n4dir | i use runit. bluetoothd is running, but i got no idea how it is started | 08:25 |
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| n4dir | it isn't to be found with "sv status bluetoothd" | 08:26 |
| n4dir | not in the according /etc directories for runit / runsvdir | 08:26 |
| n4dir | and if i do "locate bluetoothd", all i get is the binary at /usr/sbin/bluetoothd and same for /usr/libexec | 08:26 |
| n4dir | and the manpage, duh | 08:27 |
| n4dir | i can "pkill bluetoothd", but i'd rather like to understand runit a bit more | 08:27 |
| n4dir | probably the worst time to ask, early in europe, middle of the night in the US | 08:28 |
| gnarface | i just don't know. if it was sysvinit it'd be started by /etc/init.d/bluetooth | 08:28 |
| gnarface | is it possible your runit configuration is relying on the same script? openrc tends to do that a lot. | 08:28 |
| n4dir | i have to admit that i can't say much about runit. I read the page at voidlinux docs and i think arch | 08:29 |
| gnarface | only other thing i can think of is look for it to be started by the session manager maybe, the way pulseaudio is these days | 08:29 |
| n4dir | it seems all clear, but if i look at the directories mentioned there, there isn't much on my system | 08:29 |
| n4dir | some getty's, ssh, a bit more, but for example no bluetoothd | 08:30 |
| gnarface | yea, chances are that like openrc, debian has done something different from everyone else | 08:30 |
| gnarface | so you need to find debian-specific runit docs | 08:30 |
| n4dir | gnarface: the sessioin manager is something like gdm, right? I just use startx | 08:30 |
| gnarface | yea, like gdm. | 08:30 |
| n4dir | ah, good point, i will search the debian wiki. | 08:30 |
| n4dir | i started blueman-manager, and it asked me if i wanted to autostart bluetoothd | 08:31 |
| n4dir | i said yes. | 08:31 |
| n4dir | but now i can't undo that. lo | 08:31 |
| gnarface | heh | 08:31 |
| n4dir | it ain't a real problem. It is merely i want to understand runit a bit more | 08:31 |
| gnarface | well if you figure it out, let me know. runit questions like this have been popping up a lot lately. | 08:31 |
| n4dir | oh, that is good. I prefer reading in channels and forums, not reading docs. Yes, it is stupid, but it is how it is | 08:32 |
| n4dir | gnarface: are you good with bluetooth? A rather easy question (bluetooth speakers) | 08:32 |
| gnarface | no, i'm really not. i remember some basic hci tool use, but generally stopped trying to make it work back around kernel 3.1 when they broke the driver for my only bluetooth dongle. since then they've made pulseaudio a requirement so i just haven't bothered. | 08:34 |
| n4dir | well, ok, thanks | 08:34 |
| n4dir | i guess i will just go for the headphones | 08:34 |
| gnarface | someone else around here might know stuff though, stick around. | 08:35 |
| n4dir | just to describe: i want to play sound on the laptop, and hear it from the youtube speakers | 08:35 |
| n4dir | all docs i found tell me to start bluetooth, then for example use "blueman-manager" | 08:35 |
| onefang | Maybe bluetooth is being started by pulseaudio? | 08:35 |
| n4dir | then go to the device and handle the connection from there | 08:36 |
| n4dir | but the speakers, of course, can't connect | 08:36 |
| n4dir | onefang: i just removed pulseaudio, in a wild fury. bluetooth still starts | 08:36 |
| gnarface | hmm, as of daedalus maybe it's possible to use it without pulseaudio again, i just haven't actually tried it but some package names look promising; bluez-alsa-utils | 08:36 |
| onefang | I don't use either, so that was just a wild guess. | 08:36 |
| n4dir | well, a few libs are still installed, onefang | 08:36 |
| n4dir | onefang: not that bad a guess | 08:37 |
| * n4dir now rememberd that he installed pstree to check if that has some info. It hasn't | 08:38 | |
| onefang | pstree shows you what is running, in a tree diagram so you can see what started what. | 08:48 |
| n4dir | yeah, but it doesn't contain bluetooth at all | 08:50 |
| n4dir | damnit, i was wrong. It does, but it has no "parent" | 08:50 |
| n4dir | there is "runit", then "at-spi-something" then another at-spi, and the bluetooth | 08:51 |
| kaizen | hi there, i just installed a fresh version of devuan daedalus with cinnamon desktop.... Running smoothly but my software and updates fails to work properly. Keeps asking me to insert a usb or dvd as opposed to updating via the repository. Can anyone assist? | 08:53 |
| n4dir | kaizen: look at the file /etc/apt/sources.list | 08:54 |
| n4dir | as root, or with sudo. It should contain a line about a "CD" | 08:55 |
| kaizen | should i copy that into the terminal? | 08:55 |
| n4dir | comment that line | 08:55 |
| n4dir | kaizen: you are able to use a terminal editor like nano? | 08:55 |
| n4dir | well, it is straight forward, you should get it sorted | 08:55 |
| n4dir | in general you would do "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" | 08:56 |
| kaizen | Came back with permission denied in the terminal.... Any other suggestions? | 08:57 |
| n4dir | i use su and work as root, you might use sudo, i think it would be just "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" | 08:57 |
| kaizen | I have the menu up.... What next? There are lots of options available | 08:58 |
| n4dir | the line starts with "deb cdrom" | 08:59 |
| n4dir | you got that line? Either put a comment "#" in front of it, or remove it | 08:59 |
| n4dir | to exit Nano you have to type an uppercase X, then say "yes, write to buffer", then hit enter to confirm it will rewrite | 09:00 |
| n4dir | a bit confusing to explain, but it should work | 09:01 |
| kaizen | I have the following options.... says GNU Nano 7.2 Heplp Exit Write Out Read File Where is Replace Cut Paste Execute Justify Location Go to Line | 09:01 |
| n4dir | let me look at nano. | 09:01 |
| kaizen | Thank you for your help.... | 09:01 |
| n4dir | yeah, do the uppercase X | 09:02 |
| onefang | Thought it was control-X or something? Coz you might want to actually type letters. | 09:02 |
| kaizen | Do i type it up where the cursor is? | 09:02 |
| n4dir | at the bottom it will ask if you want to safe to buffer. use uppercase Y, hhit enter | 09:03 |
| n4dir | onefang: is right | 09:03 |
| n4dir | then it will ask if you want to use /etc/apt/sources.list. Just hit enter to confirm | 09:03 |
| n4dir | kaizen: yes, you write where the cursor is | 09:03 |
| kaizen | I have an upper case X up the top. What next? | 09:04 |
| kaizen | Step by step.... | 09:04 |
| n4dir | Damn. Sorry. you don't type the uppercase X in the file | 09:04 |
| n4dir | step by step: | 09:04 |
| n4dir | 1) you open the file with "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" | 09:05 |
| kaizen | I am typing it in the terminal | 09:05 |
| n4dir | 2) you navigate to the line with "deb cdrom" | 09:05 |
| n4dir | 3) you put a "#" character in front of it | 09:05 |
| n4dir | 4) | 09:05 |
| kaizen | I have done that. Its open in the terminal with all the options i listed below | 09:05 |
| n4dir | sorry: 4) you hit ctrl and x | 09:05 |
| n4dir | 5) you enter a Y to confirm to save to the buffer | 09:06 |
| n4dir | 6) you hit enter to confirm to write the buffer to the existing file (/etc/apt/sources.list) | 09:06 |
| n4dir | thats it | 09:06 |
| onefang | Yes, but coz n4dir got it wrong about the capital X, you now have astray capital-X in the file that needs deleting. | 09:06 |
| n4dir | well: i hope | 09:06 |
| kaizen | Under GNU Nano 7.2 /etc/aptsources.list, there is nothing but a large blank space.... | 09:06 |
| n4dir | it is /etc/apt/sources.list | 09:07 |
| n4dir | if it was me first of all i'd make a backup of the file | 09:07 |
| kaizen | I have the title at the top and a bunch of options down at the bottom of the terminal.... no option to select cd rom or anything | 09:07 |
| n4dir | if you made the same typo you made here: "/etc/aptsources.list" instead of "/etc/apt/sources.list", then that is the reason | 09:09 |
| kaizen | Lets change gears. If i open synaptic, i get the following error | 09:09 |
| kaizen | The repository may no longer be available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and ensure the repository address in the preferences is correct. | 09:09 |
| n4dir | if the file doesn't exist, the editor creates a new (and hence empty) file for you | 09:09 |
| kaizen | The repository 'cdrom://[Devuan GNU/Linux 5.0.1 daedalus amd64 - desktop 20230914] daedalus Release' does not have a Release file. | 09:09 |
| n4dir | well: disable it | 09:10 |
| n4dir | however you do that in synaptic. It should be intuitive | 09:10 |
| gnarface | kaizen: here's a working example /etc/apt/sources.list file: https://paste.debian.net/1294897/ | 09:10 |
| n4dir | the "cdrom" entry, just to be clear | 09:10 |
| n4dir | gnarface: perhaps it is more easy for him to wget that working file and put it in place | 09:12 |
| kaizen | Its stating there are network problems but my internet is stable and operational obviously.... | 09:12 |
| gnarface | kaizen: it might be a red herring. it might just assume there's a problem with the network because your sources.list is wrong. | 09:13 |
| n4dir | been ages i used synaptic, but i think it should change the content of the sources.list file anyway, if changes are mad | 09:14 |
| kaizen | I appreciate that gnarface. Could you walk me through how to remedy it... | 09:14 |
| gnarface | kaizen: i just pasted you an example. replace the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list with that, or replace the whole file with it, it doesn't matter which. either way you have to learn how to do this to work on any part of the system. | 09:14 |
| gnarface | kaizen: (then run "apt-get update" | 09:15 |
| gnarface | ) | 09:15 |
| kaizen | Back to the terminal.... | 09:15 |
| gnarface | synaptic uses the same config file. until you fix this it won't work either. | 09:16 |
| n4dir | well, it does work for apt-get. You get a warning it can't "use" that entry, but it would work | 09:17 |
| kaizen | I just typed in that exact command.... /etc/apt/sources.list in the terminal and "permission denied" | 09:17 |
| n4dir | with sudo | 09:17 |
| n4dir | and make sure synaptic is closed | 09:18 |
| gnarface | kaizen: and fyi this situation you're in is usually is avoided if you complete the network setup during the install | 09:18 |
| kaizen | if i put sudo in front of it, lists "commanbd not found" | 09:18 |
| onefang | /etc/apt/sources.list is not a command, it's a file you have to edit, and you have to be root to edit it. Which sudo and su in front of commands do for you. | 09:19 |
| gnarface | do you not know how to log in as root? | 09:19 |
| onefang | nano is an editor. | 09:19 |
| kaizen | I am a root user | 09:19 |
| gnarface | if you are, then "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" should open the file and let you edit it | 09:19 |
| gnarface | if you're not, then you'll get permission denied when you try to save it | 09:20 |
| kaizen | I appreciate that gnarface.... This is my 7th install today.... The last 2 worked and i did the network update via the devuan repository in the last one with the same outcome.... | 09:20 |
| gnarface | well, persistence will pay off. i nuked my first 8 installs before i figured out what i was doing. | 09:21 |
| gnarface | bbl | 09:21 |
| n4dir | i assume it was the same for me | 09:21 |
| kaizen | I just typed it in the reminal and it says no such file or directory | 09:22 |
| n4dir | copy the full command you used to here | 09:22 |
| n4dir | please | 09:22 |
| kaizen | Its running incredibly smoothly. Just need to sort of a few minor issues | 09:22 |
| n4dir | it sure is a minor issue | 09:22 |
| onefang | I do my installs via a script I wrote. For newer Devuan versions I update that script, then run it several times in a VM while I tweak the updated stuff. | 09:23 |
| kaizen | I have typed in the following.... | 09:24 |
| kaizen | Seems like its not working.... | 09:26 |
| kaizen | "etc/apt.sources.list" | 09:26 |
| kaizen | with nano at the front and sudo before that | 09:27 |
| n4dir | copy the full command to here | 09:27 |
| n4dir | or copy this command to your terminal while being root: | 09:27 |
| n4dir | nano /etc/apt/sources.list | 09:28 |
| kaizen | I paste it here but it wont share it.... Not sure why. Maybe it needs the italics | 09:28 |
| kaizen | When i type in sudo apt-get update, i receive the following back | 09:29 |
| n4dir | this way or that way you have to type it correctly. Not just parts of what you read here | 09:29 |
| kaizen | Ign:1 cdrom://[Devuan GNU/Linux 5.0.1 daedalus amd64 - desktop 20230914] daedalus InRelease | 09:29 |
| kaizen | Err:2 cdrom://[Devuan GNU/Linux 5.0.1 daedalus amd64 - desktop 20230914] daedalus Release | 09:29 |
| kaizen | Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs | 09:29 |
| kaizen | Hit:3 https://repo.protonvpn.com/debian stable InRelease | 09:29 |
| kaizen | Reading package lists... Done | 09:29 |
| kaizen | E: The repository 'cdrom://[Devuan GNU/Linux 5.0.1 daedalus amd64 - desktop 20230914] daedalus Release' does not have a Release file. | 09:29 |
| kaizen | N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. | 09:29 |
| kaizen | N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details. | 09:29 |
| n4dir | the CD is still in the whatever-you-call-that-tray ? | 09:30 |
| n4dir | if so remove it | 09:30 |
| kaizen | no dc. I installed via a usb.... | 09:31 |
| kaizen | cd | 09:31 |
| n4dir | ok | 09:31 |
| kaizen | What is apt-secure? | 09:31 |
| kaizen | I will try the command again | 09:31 |
| kaizen | It worked gentlemen.... | 09:32 |
| kaizen | I have a cd rom listed in nano.... | 09:32 |
| kaizen | Whats next? | 09:33 |
| n4dir | either remove that line or put a "#" character in front of it | 09:33 |
| kaizen | deb cdrom: )Devuan etc | 09:33 |
| n4dir | yup | 09:33 |
| kaizen | Put the # in front of cdrom? or deb? | 09:34 |
| n4dir | at the very beginning of that line | 09:34 |
| kaizen | Done | 09:34 |
| kaizen | Next step | 09:34 |
| n4dir | "ctrl x" | 09:35 |
| n4dir | then "Y" | 09:36 |
| n4dir | then just hit enter | 09:36 |
| n4dir | then apt-get update, if using sudo, sudo in front of it | 09:36 |
| kaizen | In the terminal it says Error Writing etc/apt/sources.list Permission denied | 09:37 |
| kaizen | Did exactly as you asked | 09:38 |
| n4dir | then i wouldn't know why | 09:39 |
| n4dir | synaptics still being open might be a problem. I guess | 09:39 |
| kaizen | Me neither,,,, hehe' | 09:39 |
| kaizen | Synaptic is long closed | 09:39 |
| n4dir | you closed nano again? | 09:40 |
| kaizen | No its still open.... | 09:41 |
| kaizen | Cant close due to the error | 09:41 |
| kaizen | sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | 09:41 |
| kaizen | Would this be an option? | 09:41 |
| n4dir | hit "ctl x", then say "N" to close it | 09:41 |
| n4dir | use the command again: with sudo | 09:42 |
| kaizen | will do.... Thx for patience. | 09:42 |
| kaizen | worked this time | 09:43 |
| kaizen | Do you want me to open synaptic? | 09:43 |
| kaizen | cdrom has been removed | 09:43 |
| n4dir | no, but mainly because i got no clue about synaptic. | 09:43 |
| n4dir | if you feel more comfortable with it, try it | 09:43 |
| n4dir | cdrom is removed? | 09:43 |
| n4dir | then do "sudo apt-get update" | 09:44 |
| n4dir | the error hopefully is gone | 09:44 |
| kaizen | cdrom is removed.... | 09:46 |
| kaizen | synaptic workd. did the update | 09:46 |
| n4dir | well: great | 09:46 |
| kaizen | software and updates application still not functioning.... | 09:46 |
| n4dir | not so great :-) | 09:47 |
| kaizen | i cant access all of the different repositories that are available.... | 09:47 |
| n4dir | let me quickly install synaptic | 09:47 |
| kaizen | synaptic works fine..... | 09:47 |
| n4dir | did you hit on the "Reload" symbol at the top left of synaptic? | 09:48 |
| kaizen | There is an application called "software" and another called software & updates" in cinnamon..... One partially works (no repos though), the other won't even open | 09:48 |
| kaizen | Reload in syuaptic works. Did it | 09:49 |
| kaizen | These are the ones i want to access to i can download "different software apps" not found solely in synaptic | 09:50 |
| n4dir | just stick to synaptic then, in case you prefer a gui tool? | 09:50 |
| n4dir | ah. Well, i don't know anything about those other gui package managers you tell about | 09:51 |
| kaizen | Do you know where i can download a user manual for devuan? Can't seem to find one anywhere? | 09:51 |
| kaizen | Really appreciate your assist on this one n4dir... | 09:51 |
| n4dir | i don't know about one and usually just refer to the debian manuals | 09:52 |
| n4dir | most of them can be installed too | 09:52 |
| n4dir | no problem. It just isn't as easy to explain as it might seem | 09:52 |
| kaizen | Synaptic just installed proton vpn for me but i can't find the icon to open it anywhere on my system... Any ideas | 09:54 |
| gnarface | i've never used it so i don't know, but i seem to recall stuff like that before used to add itself to the network-manager panel | 09:58 |
| kaizen | Its a shame as its wonderfully stable but not much good to me if i cant install basic software | 09:59 |
| kaizen | Fair enough gnarface.... I'll try back again tomorrow..... And thanks for your assist.... | 10:00 |
| al1r4d | hello 🙌 | 18:26 |
| ballsxd | hello guys, i have something weird happening to my pc | 23:37 |
| ballsxd | so every so often (4 - 8 days) my pc will randomly freeze. the hardware will still be on but my screen is frozen and my mouse and keyboard dont give any input | 23:37 |
| ballsxd | my screen remains frozen on what it was displaying. im running devuan 6, could this be some unstable os moment or is there something wrong with my hardware? | 23:38 |
| D-HUND | ballsxd: are you able to ssh into that frozen system? | 23:44 |
| ballsxd | i am not. all services running seem to just stop | 23:45 |
| D-HUND | if so, it might be software related (x-server, GPU driver) | 23:45 |
| ballsxd | thats what im thinking. the issue has only happend 3 times so far all 3 of which i wasnt home | 23:46 |
| ballsxd | so its hard for me to troubleshoot it. i have found no kernel/syslogs either | 23:46 |
| D-HUND | in that case I'd go hunting for hardware failures. memtest, check internal power conectors, check PS for blown capasitors etc. | 23:46 |
| ballsxd | i did a few days ago when i doubled my ram, but i saw nothing out of the ordinary | 23:47 |
| ballsxd | i did upgrade my power supply earlier this year, but nothing crazy happend up until like 3 weeks ago | 23:48 |
| D-HUND | how many passes of memtest? did such a freeze occur before the RAM upgrade? | 23:50 |
| rwp | I as well would suspect a hardware failure. With memory being first suspect. Motherboard+CPU being second suspect. | 23:50 |
| ballsxd | havent run a memtest, just checked the hardware. it happend before but also after the ram upgrade | 23:50 |
| rwp | You said you doubled the ram recently? The problem did not exist before that time? | 23:50 |
| rwp | When this happens to me I tend to disconnect and reconnect every possible connector. PCI cards too. To make sure everything has been scrubbed a little. | 23:51 |
| ballsxd | im gonna perform a memtest first to rule that out | 23:55 |
| D-HUND | let it run for the night, several passes | 23:55 |
| ballsxd | ill report back tomorrow, thanks for the recommendation | 23:56 |
| D-HUND | have success! | 23:57 |
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