| rrq | e.g.,cmy excalibur chroot doesn't include any "cron" package | 00:01 |
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| rrq | I have "meld" doing it's fullscreen, and all its window buttons are outside of my monitor... how do I change its geometry? | 01:56 |
| rrq | apparently python3 and gtk-3.0 .. where does it hide state? | 02:02 |
| rrq | right.. dconf ... talking via dbus with something ... disassembling file "~/.config/dconf/user" a9nd more?) | 02:18 |
| fsmithred | rrq, I've been able to click and drag some CSD windows | 02:20 |
| fsmithred | click and drag in the business area, since there's no title bar | 02:20 |
| fsmithred | then get a corner and resize | 02:20 |
| rrq | dconf write /org/gnome/meld/window-state/is-fullscreen false | 02:21 |
| rrq | dconf write /org/gnome/meld/window-state/height 800 | 02:21 |
| rrq | dconf write /org/gnome/meld/window-state/width 1024 | 02:21 |
| fsmithred | F11 for fullscreen | 02:21 |
| rrq | nope F11 doesn't work here | 02:22 |
| rrq | the dconf commands work, except that it takes width for height and height for width | 02:22 |
| fsmithred | wow | 02:23 |
| fsmithred | F11 works here, but I have to remember to hold down the Fn key. | 02:23 |
| rrq | hmm not even that.... "width" just concernes the content ... in some way | 02:24 |
| rrq | I can mouse-drag the width but not the height ... and it renders below the monitor | 02:25 |
| fsmithred | I just realized that I don't have gtk3-nocsd installed, so I'm adding it now. | 02:25 |
| rrq | meld just refuses to be shrunk in height :( | 02:27 |
| rrq | I got it off full-screen at least | 02:27 |
| fsmithred | I can change height here | 02:29 |
| rrq | mmm it used to allow that ... I have meld=3.22.0-2 | 02:30 |
| fsmithred | same here | 02:31 |
| fsmithred | I'm running lxqt if that makes a difference | 02:31 |
| rrq | so do I | 02:31 |
| fsmithred | what's your display resolution? | 02:33 |
| rrq | 1920x1080 | 02:33 |
| fsmithred | 1600x900 here | 02:33 |
| fsmithred | this does not make sense | 02:34 |
| rrq | meld pops up as 1517x1325 | 02:34 |
| debdog | sometimes, on my laptop, some windows act unusual if a certain TV is connected via HDMI | 02:34 |
| rrq | just 1 monitor here | 02:35 |
| rrq | meld refuses to change height | 02:35 |
| fsmithred | try changing display size and change it back. | 02:36 |
| fsmithred | not sure where in that sequence you should open meld | 02:36 |
| rrq | even running in a vncserver of 1024x768, meld insists on same 1517x1325 and fixed height | 02:39 |
| * rrq need to go | 02:42 | |
| Xenguy | Alt-LeftClick-MouseDraf | 02:45 |
| Xenguy | er Draf | 02:45 |
| fsmithred | lol | 02:45 |
| Xenguy | ahem, Drag | 02:45 |
| Xenguy | That you, thank YuhVeryMuch | 02:46 |
| fsmithred | works in lxqt. I didn't know that one. | 02:46 |
| Xenguy | It's rare I know something you don't : -) | 02:46 |
| Xenguy | So I get to enjoy it for a short time | 02:47 |
| rrq | yes alt-left works for moving it. thanks. still can't change height. can change width. | 02:48 |
| Xenguy | Weird | 03:13 |
| Xenguy | rrq, If Meld won't place nice, there is also Kdiff3, FWIW | 03:14 |
| Xenguy | er, play nice | 03:14 |
| fatal | hi, anyone know what i need to automatically turn off a monitor when nothing is happening on the screen? | 03:59 |
| rwp | fatal, Look at xset the dpms part. I set "xset s 1800 dpms 1800 1800 1800" for a 30 minute timeout. | 04:09 |
| rwp | Otherwise a screen saver would do this too. | 04:10 |
| rwp | Start with "xset q" to query the current setting. | 04:10 |
| Xenguy | fatal, Sounds like a power management configuration | 04:17 |
| fatal | it's all set to 10 minytes by default, just that i observed today that it did not turn off. | 04:54 |
| fatal | "DPMS (Energy Star): Standby: 600, Suspend: 600, Off: 600, DPMS is Enabled, Monitor is On" | 04:54 |
| fatal | `sleep 2 && xset dpms force off` works too, maybe 10-monitor.conf to ../xorg.conf.d would suffice. | 04:55 |
| fatal | i guess "BlankTime" is what i was looking for. | 04:57 |
| fatal | or just `xset s 600 600`? | 05:00 |
| fatal | rwp: did you just set it as root or wrote a config file? | 05:02 |
| rwp | fatal, I have it in my .xsessionrc file. (Effectively. I actually do things differently.) | 05:53 |
| u-amarsh04 | fixed a samba issue after trial and error - a spurious "valid users = " entry was causing authentication failures | 05:54 |
| u-amarsh04 | fixed a samba issue after trial and error - a spurious "valid users = \" entry was causing authentication failures | 05:54 |
| u-amarsh04 | fixed a samba issue after trial and error - a spurious "valid users = %S" entry was causing authentication failures | 05:55 |
| fatal | oh, ok. i guess i could put it into shell script. but it should work by default; we'll see. | 05:56 |
| fatal | rwp: you saw the `xset q` output. | 05:57 |
| fatal | time to sleep $(( 60 * 10 )) && shutdown -h now. | 06:00 |
| rwp | fatal, Yes. You said it was already at the default power save of 600 seconds. But that was just my guess at things. | 06:02 |
| rwp | Also I am not running a Desktop Environment but just a window manager. I'm one of the i3 users here. But a DE will usually also have a setting for this. | 06:03 |
| fatal | yeah? i too have i3 installed. but i don | 06:13 |
| fatal | t use xinitrc. | 06:13 |
| al1r4d | what? | 06:14 |
| rwp | fatal, Installed, sure. That's just files on disk. Are you saying that you are running i3 at the time? | 06:15 |
| fatal | yes, i use i3 for quite some years now. | 06:16 |
| rwp | And also are you saying that you start X by logging in and then running "xinit"? Therefore using ~/.xinitrc? | 06:16 |
| fatal | just startx | 06:16 |
| fatal | i use slim for the laptop tho until i find something i like | 06:17 |
| rwp | If using startx then the rc file to use would be the ~/.xsessionrc file. | 06:17 |
| al1r4d | use startx | 06:18 |
| al1r4d | set i3 on .xinitrc | 06:18 |
| al1r4d | `i3` | 06:18 |
| al1r4d | then startx | 06:18 |
| rwp | Same if running slim. For slim use the ~/.xsessionrc file. That's the file which all of the DEs have converged upon. (xinit is the outlyer.) | 06:18 |
| fatal | right that one, but since open- and fluxbox i mostly need a few things at startup. | 06:18 |
| fatal | can you do fonts too with xinitrc? | 06:19 |
| rwp | One can read through /usr/bin/startx and see the precedence of configuration files. But it's too late for me to want to concentrate on that detail now. | 06:20 |
| rwp | Fonts for me are an xrdb thing. So those go into ~/.Xresources. | 06:20 |
| fatal | oh, you merge them with xinitrc. nvm. | 06:22 |
| fatal | but i don't see any use for an xinitrc imo | 06:23 |
| rwp | Strangely I see that /usr/bin/startx does support ~/.xsessionrc but it is not documented in the man page. | 06:27 |
| rwp | Otherwise I would say the only use for ~/.xinitrc is if one starts X using "xinit". And generally I recommend people put X configuration into ~/.xsessionrc which is run "most ways" that starts X. | 06:28 |
| rwp | Because /etc/X11/Xsession is called by most DEs and it loads the ~/.xsessionrc file if present. | 06:28 |
| fatal | it's ok, if you use a wm you can start things from there. | 06:29 |
| rwp | I actually log into a vt console and then start X using "xinit" and therefore I have all of my configuration in the "~/.xinitrc" file. But that's very old-school. | 06:29 |
| fatal | so you use just xinit and what tmux? | 06:30 |
| rwp | The startx program is an easy way for people to start using a set of system defaults. But if one customizes those defaults then I don't see a use for startx. | 06:30 |
| rwp | I am a heavy user of tmux (and screen) but we are talking about starting up an X session. Which is pretty far distant from running tmux in a terminal. | 06:31 |
| rwp | But yes AFTER starting up X then I also start up a terminal (XTerm in my case) and in the terminal then I will start up a tmux. | 06:32 |
| rwp | But that's because when I ssh into remote servers I want a persistent terminal session and tmux/screen provide that. And often I will want to grab a session running on my desktop when I am remote on my laptop so I have a tmux running on my desktop that I can grab remotely. | 06:32 |
| rwp | And also the reverse that from my desktop I can log into my laptop and resume a tmux session running on my laptop. | 06:33 |
| rwp | But all uses of tmux/screen are completely independent of whether X is running or not. On my server systems I never install X as they all run headless. | 06:33 |
| fatal | startx just starts a window manager and all of them have methods to start programs, so if i don | 06:34 |
| fatal | t use 3 different wm's there is no use for such | 06:35 |
| gnarface | fatal: i'm pretty sure the dpms defualt is around 5 minutes, and the three cutoff thresholds are, for hardware glitch avoidance, usually set 1 second apart, so like this: 305, 306, 307.... you must have something else setting your dpms values you're not aware of, and it's probably also what's keeping the screens awake. (maybe a web browser or media player?) | 06:35 |
| onefang | Why tmux AND screen? | 06:35 |
| gnarface | fatal: could be a screensaver, a media player, a web browser, or even the desktop itself | 06:35 |
| onefang | I stick with tmux. | 06:36 |
| rwp | I had used screen for years and years before converting to tmux. Some of the systems have screen but not tmux installed. | 06:36 |
| gnarface | (Steam updates have made it pretty annoying lately - the window disappears when it's not on screen but still keeps displays awake) | 06:36 |
| rwp | And basically they provide a similar function. I don't want to berate screen. It's still good. But tmux is better. | 06:37 |
| fatal | gnarface: there is no screensaver on i3, also screens were blank, and i'm pretty sure i slept a few hours. | 06:37 |
| onefang | Same here rwp. | 06:37 |
| gnarface | fatal: does this not usually happen? because occasionally i've had stuff like VLC, which changes dpms settings on start, crash on me and fail to put the dpms settings back properly | 06:38 |
| rwp | tmux is basically a loving rewrite of screen functionality by a single author (rather than the last 20 years of community hacking on screen) with a different vision of how the task should be done. | 06:38 |
| gnarface | fatal: wait... you're saying they console blanked but didn't also turn off?? i've literally only seen two things do that: 1) xscreensaver when told to 2) enlightenment when it's crashing | 06:39 |
| fatal | rwp: i use both, mainly tmux but with screen you can e.g. connect to a serial device, | 06:39 |
| fatal | gnarface: blank means blank screen | 06:39 |
| onefang | I just wish tmux would stop making changes to the config. Everytime I update, I need to fix at least one setting. | 06:39 |
| fatal | a blank screen as there were no gui programms running | 06:39 |
| gnarface | fatal: (though, worth noting that this behavior you describe also is the reason why the offsets are usually by default not set to the same value. for some displays, "off" has to be AFTER "suspend," not on the same second, or it won't fire right | 06:40 |
| gnarface | ) | 06:40 |
| rwp | tmux therefore presents as a more polished way to accomplish the task that screen blazed the trail for and that screen now suffers from lack of maintainership of late. Some things in screen are just annoying missing. I can open a new window and then I can start a shell in it but I can't simply split a window and run a shell in it. And things like that. | 06:40 |
| fatal | i just have different use cases for screen and tmux, rwp. | 06:41 |
| rwp | tmux config file updates are annoying too. And also some features that seemed perfect have been mutated in ways that I think are not good now too. Like copy-paste select paste buffer has been refuctored now and I am not happy about it. | 06:41 |
| rwp | fatal, for serial terminal I use "picocom -fn -ez -b 115200 /dev/ttyS0" these days. But one can also use Emacs for a serial terminal emulator too. Because of course you can. | 06:42 |
| fatal | yeah i don't do anything fancy with tmux, just keeping sessions alive. | 06:43 |
| fatal | well emacs can do irc too but you wouldn't | 06:43 |
| rwp | Ahem... I am typing this irc session in my emacs RIGHT NOW! :-) | 06:44 |
| fatal | emacs is great operating system, ...just lacks init... something something. | 06:45 |
| rwp | Emacs makes a good irc client because then I get all of my preferred spell checking, dynamic abbreviation expansion, and all of the emacs goodness for dealing with text. | 06:45 |
| rwp | But we are drifting way off topic now. Which would be excellent if we were in -offtopic. | 06:45 |
| fatal | yeah and it's kind of draining to talk to more than one person about different things at the same time | 06:46 |
| fatal | i appreciate the input tho | 06:47 |
| fatal | anyway, dpms settings seem normal just that literally no behaviour was observable. | 06:48 |
| schillingklaus | I guess that dvtm would suffice for me instead of screen or tmux, as I am not into the detaching business | 06:55 |
| fatal | gnarface: i just installed a new system and on the laptop it's the same defaults and it works. so it must have been something that kept it awake. | 06:57 |
| fatal | lol. you never disconnect from your servers, not even by your isp, schillingklaus? | 06:59 |
| fatal | oh i read that wrong i guess | 07:00 |
| schillingklaus | what servers? | 07:00 |
| fatal | if someone offered you a tmux session on their virtual server, would you refuse? | 07:05 |
| fatal | (or virtual machine) | 07:06 |
| schillingklaus | no one would seriously offer me such a thing | 07:06 |
| fatal | lets say for science or personal growth | 07:08 |
| gnarface | fatal: maybe, but it could also be a race condition, so that it only happens rarely | 07:21 |
| gnarface | but it's very likely something merely crashed without putting things back correctly | 07:22 |
| gnarface | (vlc used to be a big culprit for me) | 07:23 |
| rrq | fsmithred: I think meld has decided that its "minheight" 1080--245 .. a sign error | 07:37 |
| rrq | xwininfo tells: Corners: +380+0 -0+0 -0--245 +380--245 | 07:42 |
| cousin_luigi | Greetings. | 10:20 |
| debdog | ahoy! | 10:20 |
| cousin_luigi | Not a devuan user, but I run a semi-form of debian using sysv and I've noticed some inexplicable routing problems. | 10:21 |
| cousin_luigi | Couldn't reproduce them on systemd, so I ask you here if it's a problem you've encountered yourselves. | 10:21 |
| cousin_luigi | semi-fork* | 10:22 |
| rwp | Routing problems? You mean network routing? | 10:23 |
| gnarface | cousin_luigi: so far, no, but you might need to be more detailed in your explanation | 10:24 |
| gnarface | cousin_luigi: (or just download a devuan livecd and see if the problem is there too for you) | 10:24 |
| rwp | My first thought is how would an init system screw up routing? But if we are talking systemd it would not surprise me that it would. | 10:24 |
| cousin_luigi | rwp: gnarface: Basically I have two ppp interfaces and I need dnsmasq to run its upstream queries through the non-default one. | 10:25 |
| cousin_luigi | With sysv I could see any return traffic. With systemd everything works. I do realise there are probably more variables. | 10:25 |
| gnarface | can't say i've tried anything close to that | 10:25 |
| rwp | I'll just say that I haven't noticed any routing problems on Devuan. I don't have anything running ppp though. | 10:26 |
| cousin_luigi | Anything to know about how nft integrates with systemd? | 10:26 |
| rwp | +1 for gnarface's suggestion to run a live image and try it out. | 10:26 |
| gnarface | yea, last time i touched ppp it was over a decade ago, for a bluetooth reverse-DUN | 10:26 |
| cousin_luigi | hmmm | 10:26 |
| gnarface | before that... the last time i used ppp seriously was in the 90's | 10:26 |
| cousin_luigi | here almost every ISP uses ppp | 10:27 |
| gnarface | and i definitely only had one network device at the time | 10:27 |
| cousin_luigi | even for FTTH | 10:27 |
| gnarface | but it wouldn't have been relevant back then anyway | 10:27 |
| gnarface | well, how are you forcing dnsmasq through the non-default one with systemd? maybe you're just missing the equivalent config | 10:27 |
| cousin_luigi | I'm almost tempted to switch <gulps> to systemd permanently. | 10:28 |
| cousin_luigi | gnarface: One option was marking the traffic via uid, but then I discovered that dnsmasq has an option to tell it which interface/address to use for outbound traffic | 10:28 |
| cousin_luigi | And I'm using the exact same configuration on systemd. | 10:28 |
| gnarface | wait, so dnsmasq just starts ignoring that directive without systemd present?? | 10:29 |
| cousin_luigi | Or should I say, stock debian install. The other being an overripe voyage linux upgraded to bookworm. | 10:29 |
| cousin_luigi | gnarface: No, I see outbound traffic. But no reply | 10:29 |
| gnarface | just out of curiosity, if you stop then start dnsmasq manually once after everything else is booted, does it start using the right device again? | 10:30 |
| cousin_luigi | At least that's how I remember it, it was a few weeks ago | 10:30 |
| cousin_luigi | gnarface: Unsure. I probably restarted it a number of times though, in order to test new configurations | 10:31 |
| gnarface | two primary things that may change between systemd and sysvinit are permissions and daemon start orders, so i'd check on every relevant touchpoint for both of those things first | 10:31 |
| cousin_luigi | But it's a messed up install | 10:31 |
| gnarface | well, no, considering it's a "messed up install" i'd cross-check the live iso first | 10:31 |
| cousin_luigi | indeed | 10:31 |
| onefang | Time to make a new un messed up install? | 10:31 |
| gnarface | if the live iso works fine, i'd say yes | 10:31 |
| cousin_luigi | onefang: I'm using sysv also to have a read-only root. | 10:31 |
| gnarface | if not, i'd check permissions and daemon start orders next | 10:32 |
| cousin_luigi | ok | 10:32 |
| gnarface | cousin_luigi: you said the return traffic just never shows, you don't see it coming back at the other device do you? | 10:38 |
| gnarface | i wonder if maybe the issue is actually some coincidental upstream routing issue | 10:38 |
| cousin_luigi | gnarface: the other device was down during the tests | 10:38 |
| gnarface | (routing or firewall) | 10:39 |
| cousin_luigi | different IPs too | 10:39 |
| gnarface | i know this doesn't solve the problem really, but what's the reason these queries have to go out a non-default device? | 10:39 |
| gnarface | it's very easy to reassign the default route | 10:40 |
| cousin_luigi | gnarface: I want to keep traffic from android devices separate from my lan | 10:47 |
| cousin_luigi | so I use source-based routing | 10:47 |
| cousin_luigi | And I tried again a few minutes ago: dnsmasq on my voyage/sysv system still can't use the alternate route | 10:48 |
| cousin_luigi | It uses a different path through a secondary router, which works, but I'm attempting to get rid of it | 10:48 |
| blizzow | I'm on a fresh install and getting a blank screen after boot. I believe GDM/xorg are not happy. I tried to change inittab to s:1:... and that did not help. What's the right way to enable ctrl-alt-fX to get to a text console? | 18:06 |
| tcope | looking for advice on standard practice ... using the default sysvinit .. some sevices ie .. ModemManager .. are not located in /etc/init.d so are not found using service or update-rc.d .. do I need modify the /etc/systemd/system by hand or is there another mechanism that is prefered ? | 18:52 |
| gnarface | do you have elogind installed? | 18:54 |
| tcope | elogind-inhibit is found | 18:55 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure what that means | 18:55 |
| gnarface | dpkg -l |grep elogind | 18:56 |
| gnarface | elogind - user, seat and session management daemon | 18:56 |
| gnarface | does it show that? | 18:56 |
| gnarface | i don't know ModemManager well, it's possible either the session manager or the window manager start it for you, but i wouldn't expect you to have to do anything to make it happen normally | 18:57 |
| gnarface | seems to suggest a missing package | 18:58 |
| gnarface | dunno | 18:58 |
| tcope | yes is there .. under root typing elong<TAB> .. the only command completion provided was elogind-inhibit | 18:59 |
| tcope | I need to disable ModemManager and cant find any mechanism to allow such controls | 19:00 |
| gnarface | oh, i thought you were having problems enabling it | 19:00 |
| gnarface | hmm | 19:00 |
| gnarface | what's the window manager/desktop environment you're using and what's the login manager? | 19:01 |
| tcope | fresh Chiaera install using all default devuan XFCE and what ever login it uses | 19:04 |
| tcope | I have found some programs that are normally controlled via systemd to have remnants in the /etc/systemd dir and not controllable by the standard tools used in the sysvinit realm .. was wondering if there is a best practice for such controls .. since I cant find any form of init start script for ModemManager outside the /etc/systemd tree | 19:04 |
| tcope | unless they reside elsewhere .. am guessing they are still being started from there | 19:05 |
| gnarface | did you check /etc/elogind? | 19:09 |
| tcope | it is there .. only file found is logind.conf .. all its contents look to be user specific instead of system services | 19:12 |
| gnarface | and there's nothing to disable it in the xfce control panel? | 19:12 |
| n4dir | control panel, session and startup, autostart apps. Try that | 19:12 |
| tcope | no dice .. all found there are only those in the /etc/init.d .. I will remove by hand the reference file from /etc/systemd and reboot just to make sure its being controlled from there ... brb | 19:19 |
| gnarface | i thought that directory was entirely vestigial ... | 19:22 |
| tcope | I thought so too but figured I would double check .. removed file and still the service started on boot .. | 19:27 |
| tcope | will do an fgrep on a few dirs in /etc to see if I can gleen any thing useful | 19:28 |
| gnarface | it really might be in the window manager's gui somewhere | 19:29 |
| gnarface | but you could probably always just uninstall it to | 19:29 |
| gnarface | too* | 19:29 |
| tcope | I may need do that ... hoping to find the proper place so to have better control for future issues | 19:31 |
| gnarface | any docs in /usr/share/doc/modemmanager? | 19:34 |
| gnarface | or a manpage maybe? | 19:34 |
| gnarface | maybe it has its own config in /etc you can disable it from | 19:35 |
| gnarface | or in the user's home directory | 19:35 |
| adam_free2air | tcope: perhaps may help - sometimes I have found that ModemManager is invoked by NetworkManager due to configuration settings. | 19:52 |
| tcope | will explore those suggestions TY | 19:56 |
| tcope | ok I found it ... not sure if there is a proper mechanism to work with such things. I found this | 20:50 |
| tcope | I removed the file | 20:50 |
| tcope | org.freedesktop.ModemManager1.conf | 20:50 |
| tcope | ackk cpy/paste blah ... | 20:51 |
| tcope | file was in /etc/dbus-1/system.d/ | 20:51 |
| tcope | not sure what is normally used to control such | 20:52 |
| gnarface | google suggests you might have to do something like move it to "org.freedesktop.ModemManager.conf.disabled" | 20:54 |
| gnarface | (presumably to keep future package updates from undoing your change) | 20:55 |
| gnarface | but just in case, check to see if you have ~/.config/autostart | 20:56 |
| gnarface | it does seem like there should be a different way | 20:57 |
| tcope | ls ~/.config/ | 20:57 |
| tcope | dconf gtk-3.0 htop pulse Thunar user-dirs.dirs user-dirs.locale xfce4 | 20:57 |
| tcope | am beginning to believe that its remnants from systemd .. it looks like systemd was originally used as control ... and since systemd has been removed there may be nothing that controls it | 21:16 |
| tcope | '/etc/systemd/system/dbus-org.freedesktop.ModemManager1.service -> /lib/systemd/system/ModemManager.service' | 21:17 |
| tcope | has been the only ref I can find | 21:17 |
| brocashelm | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1925 | 21:17 |
| n4dir | the other day i had bluetooth autostarted, and for the life of me couldn't figure out where or how it gets started. That was runit though, and for sure no systemd involved | 21:17 |
| tcope | did u find a solution ? | 21:19 |
| n4dir | well, i deinstalled it , but i wouldn't call that a solution | 21:20 |
| n4dir | it happened with other "things" to me to, but i forgot what they were. | 21:21 |
| tcope | it may be a similar issue .. i found this in the dbus-1 dir also | 21:21 |
| n4dir | i used grep and locate and what not, i couldn't find it anywhere | 21:21 |
| n4dir | yeah, perhaps dbus or such, but i got no clue of it | 21:21 |
| tcope | '/etc/dbus-1/system.d/bluetooth.conf' | 21:21 |
| n4dir | and there it is. I should have asked you :-) | 21:22 |
| tcope | lol .. I just grasping at straws my self | 21:23 |
| gnarface | hmm, bluetooth should definitely have regular init scripts available though... makes me wonder if some of these things install differently if elogind is already installed | 21:24 |
| tcope | ls /etc/systemd/system/ | grep blu | 21:24 |
| tcope | bluetooth.target.wants | 21:24 |
| tcope | dbus-org.bluez.service | 21:24 |
| n4dir | gnarface: me not really knowing runit sure didn't help to investigate | 21:25 |
| n4dir | my point was that it doesn't only relate to systemd or sysv being used, but you can run in it anyway | 21:26 |
| n4dir | i think it was avahi and something like gfs of which i couldn't make any sense | 21:29 |
| tcope | since elogind is geared more for user sessions .. system wide hardware activated at boot will generally fall outside its control | 21:29 |
| tcope | since Debian adopted systemd some time ago .. many of the system features are controlled through it .. if no one writes a new fallback script to control it .. the only scripts that will be included in default Debian are those for systemd | 21:31 |
| tcope | since Devuan is a more fringe distro with limited dev resources its possible the devs know these things and just havent been able to prioritize it so its just gotten left behind | 21:33 |
| fsmithred | In daedalus, I still have /etc/init.d/bluetooth. Runit will use the init scripts if there are no run scripts for a service. | 22:22 |
| n4dir | i think the command was "sv stop bluetoothd", and the message was "it ain't there" | 22:24 |
| n4dir | i will reinstall bluetooth later, then look again. | 22:24 |
| n4dir | not that it would matter that much to me | 22:26 |
| fsmithred | yeah, there's no run script for bluetooth | 22:26 |
| fsmithred | so you would do '/etc/init.d/bluetooth stop | 22:26 |
| n4dir | would as in could if it was there? | 22:26 |
| n4dir | wait, you say you have it | 22:26 |
| fsmithred | the init script wasn't there? | 22:26 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 22:27 |
| n4dir | i don't think so, but you know how it is | 22:27 |
| fsmithred | sv command won't work if there's no run script. | 22:27 |
| n4dir | . /etc/init.d is pretty much the only path i know from the top of my head, so i am rather sure i checked there | 22:27 |
| n4dir | but when websearching for runit, the going back and forth with ls and cd, i can get confused. So i wouldn't bet | 22:28 |
| fsmithred | there's a piece that gets started with the desktop, too. | 22:28 |
| brocashelm | sv status /etc/service/* | 22:28 |
| n4dir | as said: i will reinstall | 22:28 |
| brocashelm | but a runit script for bluetooth might not exist yet | 22:28 |
| fsmithred | brocashelm, do you have run scripts for bluetooth? | 22:28 |
| fsmithred | I checked runit-services and it's not there | 22:28 |
| brocashelm | fsmithred: no, i didn't see any | 22:28 |
| n4dir | i think it was blueman which asked me if i wanted to automatically start it. I said yes, but then couldn't undo | 22:29 |
| brocashelm | and i got runit-services installed on one of my refracta laptops | 22:29 |
| fsmithred | in xfce? | 22:29 |
| n4dir | and i didn't get bluetooth to connect to the box. Hence i wanted to not start it anymore. | 22:29 |
| n4dir | fsmithred: not sure. | 22:29 |
| brocashelm | i will boot up my laptop and check again, just to be sure... | 22:29 |
| n4dir | the trouble with jack/qjackctl and the bluetooth one are a bit mixed in my head. | 22:29 |
| fsmithred | jack can definitely mix up your head | 22:30 |
| n4dir | jack is more important to me. bluetooth i only need for the speakers, but might just as well use the headphones | 22:30 |
| n4dir | well, only if jack is needed. If alsa does the job, even better | 22:30 |
| n4dir | i think i got too high a "latency". If i connect the piano-keyboard, and hit a "key", there is a delay | 22:31 |
| n4dir | I made all kind of changes in qjackctl, but it didn't really get better | 22:31 |
| n4dir | Might be i need a "real" (better) soundcard? | 22:32 |
| brocashelm | i never use pulseaudio or jack when i can get away with it | 22:33 |
| brocashelm | alsa or bust | 22:33 |
| brocashelm | i am interested in sndiod as an added layer, though | 22:33 |
| n4dir | brocashelm: when i searched youtube, pretty much all audio production how-tos tell you to use jack. | 22:34 |
| n4dir | now i slowly figure out that quite some are happy with alsa too | 22:34 |
| n4dir | but it always is a lot of try and error. Some have alsa in the settings, but i don't get it to work | 22:35 |
| n4dir | jack, otoh, once set up, usually at least give audio output at all | 22:35 |
| n4dir | it sucks to be able to use alsa for some apps, for some not, so i often just go for jack (As soon i do such) | 22:36 |
| brocashelm | fsmithred: i can confirm what i stated earlier (i.e. no sv files for bluetooth/bluez) | 22:54 |
| fsmithred | thanks. I just checked and I have a bluetooth runscript in the sample runscripts from antix. Those samples are in my runit live-iso in the home directory, but I don't recall if they are being used. | 22:58 |
| brocashelm | i'm using runit-services from the main repo | 22:59 |
| brocashelm | so perhaps it will be included soonish | 22:59 |
| fsmithred | I just checked my iso and bluetooth was using the sysvinit script. | 23:02 |
| fsmithred | I need to go outside. bbl. | 23:03 |
| brocashelm | i need to do that more often ;) | 23:05 |
| brocashelm | ttyl | 23:05 |
| debdog | people die outside /o\ | 23:08 |
| n4dir | i haven't left the apartment more than 30 minutes a day for 2 weeks. It helps that it now is really cold in Germany | 23:19 |
| Wonka | that's considered to not be too healthy... | 23:20 |
| Wonka | well, both, the cold outside too, but against that one can put on more clothes | 23:21 |
| debdog | butbutbut, the next ice age is ahead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQRqr9_jw5I | 23:22 |
| Wonka | when will that be relative to earth reaching an average of +3.0 K above pre-industrial times? | 23:23 |
| fsmithred | about a month into nuclear winter | 23:24 |
| n4dir | Wonka: i was sick and am recovering. | 23:25 |
| Wonka | n4dir: oh, yeah, that may be a good reason to even stay in bed most of the time | 23:28 |
| Wonka | and, yes, I was a bit shocked when my outside thermometer (in Lübeck, Germany) showed 3°C this morning | 23:29 |
| n4dir | I don't check the thermometer, but it is cold (Bremen here) | 23:30 |
| n4dir | very nice though. | 23:31 |
| Wonka | when I need to decide whether to wear sandals or boots outside, a thermometer is some help... | 23:42 |
| n4dir | i usually do, but right now i don't, because i am usually at home anyway | 23:43 |
| n4dir | after walking those 20-30 minutes i am exhausted already | 23:44 |
| golinux | Please take to offtopic | 23:55 |
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