| debdog | people die offtopic /o\ | 00:04 |
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| al1r4d | ^^hahaha | 00:29 |
| rossignol | Are there instructions or scripts available for generating an installable iso? | 02:59 |
| DelTomix | rossignol: What media are you planning to boot from? (i.e. USB?) and what OS are you running on which you would copy the ISO? | 03:17 |
| rossignol | I'd probably be dd'ing an iso to a USB or booting a VM from it. | 03:18 |
| rossignol | I'd be running buildscripts from debian or ubuntu. | 03:18 |
| rossignol | Maybe void. | 03:18 |
| DelTomix | ok - you can download installer or live ISO images, you should have no problem booting them in a VM. Both the live and installer ISO's have installer options | 03:19 |
| DelTomix | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_daedalus/ | 03:20 |
| DelTomix | You can download via that link (there also a "mirrors" link at the bottom to choose a mirror. For installation with the standard installer you can check here: https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/daedalus/install-devuan | 03:22 |
| rossignol | Deltomix, I'm looking to do Ceres or Excalibur. | 03:24 |
| rossignol | Haven't seen any isos. | 03:24 |
| brocashelm | there are no official devuan ceres isos; it is an unfinished branch that will never be "released" | 03:25 |
| DelTomix | You will not see ISO's for Ceres, that is unstable. Excalibur ISO's are not available just yet, you are better off to install stable (daedalus) and then if you want Excalibur you can dist upgrade from there | 03:25 |
| brocashelm | change your apt's sources.list from daedalus to excalibur (only one repo) | 03:26 |
| brocashelm | comment out the rest | 03:26 |
| DelTomix | also if you want more recent released packages you might consider rather sticking with Stable and adding repositories for backports, and proposed-updates | 03:26 |
| brocashelm | yeah, daedalus-backports currently provides linux 6.4 kernel | 03:27 |
| DelTomix | also if you start with daedalus, you can always try it with backports to see how that works for you, and if you decide you still want Excalibur you can still do the dist upgrade (same as you would from Chimaera to Daedalus, except substitute with Daedalus to Excalibur, respectively) Instructions for dist-upgrade can be found here; | 03:35 |
| DelTomix | https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/daedalus/upgrade-to-daedalus | 03:35 |
| DelTomix | since Daedalus only released a couple months ago - there is not yet much difference with Excalibur/testing. | 03:40 |
| AEonFyr | Is anyone here running vms under daedalus xen (4.17.2-pre) and if so, are you able to pygrub boot a debian bookworm netinst.iso? | 11:16 |
| avbox | I tried to update from Chimaera to Daedalus. During apt dist-upgrade I get the error: libpam0g:amd64, first error is: BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base/overload.pm line 5 Any ideas? | 13:41 |
| fsmithred | in daedalus, line 5 of that file is: no warnings 'experimental::builtin'; | 13:45 |
| avbox | @fsmithred: What file ? | 13:49 |
| fsmithred | and "BEGIN" does not appear in that file or in the pre/post install scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info/perl-base.* | 13:49 |
| fsmithred | /usr/lib/x86_64blah... overload.pm | 13:49 |
| avbox | fsmithred: Yes at that line 5 it is written experimental::builtin | 13:51 |
| fsmithred | I don't know what that means | 13:51 |
| avbox | fsmithred: In overload.pm at line 5 I find: no warnings 'experimental::builtin'; | 13:53 |
| fsmithred | got any other error messages? | 13:53 |
| avbox | fsmithred: After first error, there is: Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Template.pm line 346. | 13:55 |
| avbox | fsmithred: There is also a warning: debconf: Perl may be unconfigured (Unknown warnings category 'experimental::builtin' | 13:56 |
| fsmithred | maybe dpkg-reconfigure perl-base? | 13:57 |
| avbox | fsmithred: Does not help, same error messages. I think debconf does not work correct or it was not installed correct. | 13:59 |
| fsmithred | I have no other ideas right now. I haven't run into this problem on any upgrades I've done. | 14:02 |
| fsmithred | maybe remove libpam0g for the upgrade and then add it back afterward. Looks like it's needed for openssh-server. | 14:03 |
| e54 | q | 16:01 |
| e54 | q | 16:01 |
| fsmithred | ) | 17:52 |
| avbox | I still don't can update to Daedalus, I always get defconf error with dist-upgrade. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base/overload.pm line 5. | 21:00 |
| avbox | Line 5 in that file is: no warnings 'experimental::builtin'; | 21:02 |
| rrq | disk space? | 21:04 |
| avbox | @rrq: Two partitions, once 20 tb and on second 50 tb, can't be the problem | 21:08 |
| avbox | @rrq: free disk space | 21:08 |
| rrq | sounds like it should be enough :) I was just wondering about the space wherein the "compilation" occurs... if that's a smallish tmp space or something. Just a first thing to check. | 21:11 |
| rrq | next: are you using that apt sandboxing? with an _apt user; maybe that user doesn;t have write access to where that "compilation" occurs? | 21:13 |
| rwp | Hmm... /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base/overload.pm is in perl-base. I'll note that it installed no problems for me. But I feel it must be some perl module mismatch to cause that. | 21:14 |
| rrq | try editing /etc/passwd and add "OFF" before "_apt" (so as to disable that sandboxing) and see if that works | 21:14 |
| rwp | If it were me I would install apt-show-versions then run "apt-show-versions | grep -v -e uptodate" and review the result. I would be suspicious of any perl package listed. I would purge those. | 21:16 |
| avbox | It looks like debconf is broken. dpkg -i debconf_1.5.82_all.deb | 21:18 |
| avbox | (Lese Datenbank ... 146471 Dateien und Verzeichnisse sind derzeit installiert.) | 21:18 |
| avbox | Vorbereitung zum Entpacken von debconf_1.5.82_all.deb ... | 21:18 |
| avbox | Entpacken von debconf (1.5.82) über (1.5.82) ... | 21:18 |
| avbox | debconf (1.5.82) wird eingerichtet ... | 21:18 |
| avbox | Unknown warnings category 'experimental::builtin' at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base/overload.pm line 5. | 21:18 |
| avbox | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base/overload.pm line 5. | 21:18 |
| avbox | Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Template.pm line 346. | 21:18 |
| avbox | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Template.pm line 346. | 21:18 |
| avbox | Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm line 8. | 21:18 |
| avbox | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm line 8. | 21:18 |
| avbox | Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Config.pm line 7. | 21:18 |
| avbox | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Config.pm line 7. | 21:18 |
| avbox | Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Log.pm line 10. | 21:18 |
| avbox | Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Db.pm line 7. | 21:18 |
| avbox | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Db.pm line 7. | 21:18 |
| avbox | Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/debconf/frontend line 6. | 21:18 |
| avbox | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/debconf/frontend line 6. | 21:18 |
| rwp | avbox, Careful about pasting more than a line into the channel! There is a Libera global bot that will kick and possibly k-line you! | 21:19 |
| rwp | Since debconf itself is a perl script this is a symptom that debconf itself is suffering from the perl breakage. | 21:20 |
| rwp | The problem summary as I see it seems to be "How to fix perl when perl itself is broken?" Hmm... Contemplating... | 21:22 |
| rrq | I suppose commenting out that line 5 would make it not break there... | 21:24 |
| avbox | Commenting out line 5 results in: Built-in function 'builtin::blessed' is experimental at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base/overload.pm line 105. | 21:26 |
| avbox | Line 105 is: $package = builtin::blessed($package); | 21:26 |
| fsmithred | did you try removing openssh-server? | 21:26 |
| fsmithred | and then dist-upgrade and then install it again | 21:26 |
| rwp | On my desktop I have 354 perl packages installed. Which makes me suggesting to review those manually hard to do. But I suspect that originally there was a mix of perl from 3rd parties that don't work together which has caused this breakage originally. | 21:26 |
| rrq | avbox: was it a warning or an error? | 21:27 |
| avbox | Line 105 is an error, I try to remove openssh-server | 21:28 |
| fsmithred | and libpam0g | 21:30 |
| fsmithred | I don't remember how I came up with that | 21:30 |
| rwp | Hmm... Group: What about adding a preferences file to pin strongly to OldStable (which seemingly worked) and then pull all of perl back to something that functioned. Then move forward from there? | 21:31 |
| rwp | Since perl is priority required it is hard to suggest purging it and re-installing it in order to get things working... | 21:32 |
| rrq | yes, and perhaps forced reinstall of perl-base is good | 21:39 |
| avbox | There was another no warnings 'experimental::builtin in Hash/Util.mp. I removed it and now it goes further on | 21:43 |
| avbox | Wanted to say Hash/Util.pm. There are many packages, it is now at 10%, so I need to wait. Thank you at all for the hints. | 21:45 |
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