| chomwitt | is there a way to see if a package is mirrored from debian repositories or its a devuan one ? | 01:23 |
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| rrq | look it up at pkginfo.devuan.org and check the Filename: | 01:24 |
| rrq | or, likewise, check the "Filename" attribute in your local *Packages file | 01:25 |
| rrq | (i suppose dpkg-query could be used for that) | 01:26 |
| n4dir | i looked at the output of dpkg -l; found out a few packages have *devuan in the "version", but wouldn't know if that means something | 01:26 |
| n4dir | if it does, you could | grep devuan to list those | 01:26 |
| rrq | yes that finds the devuan forks; but not the "native devuan" (not many) | 01:27 |
| chomwitt | rrq could you please give a url of a devuan specific package to have for comparison ? | 01:27 |
| n4dir | i see. | 01:27 |
| rrq | the path starts with DEVUAN/ rather than DEBIAN/ | 01:28 |
| chomwitt | $ sudo dpkg -l | grep devuan | 01:29 |
| chomwitt | indeed i see many packages with devuan in their names | 01:29 |
| n4dir | wc -l tells me 65 packages here. | 01:30 |
| n4dir | most rather not very exciting, as far i see | 01:31 |
| chomwitt | in http://deb.devuan.org/ what does merge directory means ? | 01:32 |
| chomwitt | Filename: pool/DEVUAN/main/a/apt/apt_2.7.6devuan2_amd64.deb | 01:33 |
| rrq | it's just a directory name; the repo is at http://deb.devuan.org/merge | 01:34 |
| rrq | the "devuan packages only" repo is at http://deb.devuan.org/devuan | 01:36 |
| rrq | more notes at https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt | 01:37 |
| chomwitt | rrq i cant find any filename attribute with dpkg -s | 01:38 |
| chomwitt | rrq, thanks for the links! | 01:38 |
| rrq | right, seems dpkg tries to hide that; use "apt-cache show $package | grep Filename:" instead | 01:38 |
| chomwitt | rrq apt-cache indeed show the filename | 01:43 |
| chomwitt | in the apt filename i gave before is pool/DEVUAN/main/.. maps to devuan/devuan/pool/main/.. but i cant find any devuan/merged/pool for debian packages | 02:00 |
| chomwitt | where devuan at the start is the one referenced in the mirrow walkthrough: 'The repo is contained in a folder "devuan/" | 02:02 |
| rrq | correct. the /devuan repository only containns the devuan packages | 03:52 |
| Pepperman665 | So with proper apt-pinning you could, albeit in an unconventional way, install Devuan atop Debian? Technically? | 03:53 |
| Pepperman665 | Using that repo, I mean | 03:54 |
| rrq | yes, could work | 03:54 |
| rrq | that's kind of what the deb.evuan.org servers do | 03:55 |
| Pepperman665 | I can see that being useful for debugging. If you have both Debian and Devuan versions of packages on-hand, you can sort of trace through the changes to track down bugs | 03:56 |
| brocashelm | you'll 99.9% of the time know it's a devuan package if you analyze the "devuan" part of the version | 03:57 |
| brocashelm | e.g. network-manager for daedalus is versioned 1.42.4-1devuan1 | 03:57 |
| brocashelm | everything else is debian | 03:57 |
| rrq | yes. almost. the devuan pool offers som 50+ packages without "devuan" in their versions | 04:08 |
| Pepperman665 | Right, devuan-exclusive stuff like deepsea and dummy-logind don't need that extension because they aren't forked packages, but those are the exception rather than the rule | 04:09 |
| brocashelm | although xlennart is a devuan-only package and contains "devuan" ;) | 04:11 |
| rrq | also includes apulse, eudev, seatd ... | 04:12 |
| rrq | (apulse has been adopted into debian I think.. probably some more too) | 04:15 |
| Pepperman665 | didn't even know what apulse was until you mentioned it. Huh, cool. | 04:15 |
| rrq | yes. it lets me be alsa-only on daedalus, though I have to patch firefox' destop file(s) | 04:16 |
| brocashelm | pretty sure there is no systemd in apulse | 04:17 |
| brocashelm | eudev and seatd make sense | 04:17 |
| rrq | .. and rrqnet is devuan-only just because I'm too lazy to polish it up for debian | 04:19 |
| systemdlete | no pysolfc in daedalus? Has it been replaced by something else (maybe better)? | 04:19 |
| Pepperman665 | I noticed someone has a sysv2d script in the forums...maybe it can be useful for creating compatibility scripts for stuff that relies on unit files | 04:20 |
| Pepperman665 | might take a gander at that | 04:20 |
| al1r4d | The following packages will be upgraded: | 04:33 |
| al1r4d | init init-system-helpers isc-dhcp-client libnm0 network-manager rsyslog | 04:33 |
| al1r4d | ^^ i hope the upgrade will not cost error anymore | 04:33 |
| al1r4d | I'm on testing right now | 04:33 |
| al1r4d | Cool, nothing error | 04:33 |
| brocashelm | apt install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges | 04:33 |
| brocashelm | these two packages are useful to have if you use testing or unstable | 04:34 |
| al1r4d | Thank you~ | 04:35 |
| al1r4d | fonts-lato libjs-jquery libruby libruby3.1 libyaml-0-2 rake ruby ruby-debian | 04:36 |
| al1r4d | ruby-domain-name ruby-gettext ruby-http-cookie ruby-httpclient ruby-locale | 04:36 |
| al1r4d | ruby-net-telnet ruby-rubygems ruby-sdbm ruby-soap4r ruby-sqlite3 ruby-text | 04:36 |
| al1r4d | ruby-unf ruby-unf-ext ruby-unicode ruby-webrick ruby-xmlparser ruby-xmlrpc | 04:36 |
| al1r4d | ruby3.1 rubygems-integration sqlite3 zip | 04:36 |
| al1r4d | but, what a cost.. | 04:36 |
| brocashelm | yeah, because of apt-listbugs (you can interact with) | 04:40 |
| brocashelm | *with it | 04:40 |
| Pepperman665 | rrq is there still a bug in Devuan's debian-installer that causes only english to work? | 18:59 |
| Pepperman665 | I'll brb, and I'll glance the chanlogs in case there's a reply | 19:04 |
| Pepperman665 | nvm, I see its not there anymore | 19:09 |
| unclouded_ | Hi, has something changed with GNU screen between chimaera and daedalus? My mutt session is 80x25 after the upgrade rather than the actual size of the terminal. | 23:20 |
| unclouded_ | OK, well that's weird. `su - $username --command='mutt...` results in mutt thinking the terminal is 80x25 but `su - $username` followed by `mutt...` uses the whole terminal | 23:32 |
| unclouded_ | $TERM is screen.xterm-256color and $COLUMNS is 119 | 23:33 |
| rwp | unclouded_, Also look at the size from the tty driver: stty -a | 23:57 |
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