| xrogaan | eyalroz: dude doesn't know what init is, apparently. | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| xrogaan | "systemd is C, which is better than bash scripts" | 00:05 |
| mason | FWIW, they're Dash scripts. | 00:19 |
| onefang | You can write sysv init scripts in any language. Or at least with my version you can. Yes I did write some in C. | 00:32 |
| rrq | one key reason for scripting the boot is to have transparency of the boot procedure so that individual adjustments can be done when needed. Compiled procedure only works for the systems it is compied for. | 00:51 |
| blockhead | i'm running devuan daedalus and I've got it set up so that I login in text mode, then run startx when i want to do gui things | 01:58 |
| blockhead | is it possible to make the screen stop clearing on logout / login? | 01:59 |
| gnarface | blockhead: uh, yea probably, but that was fixed as a bug at one point because it's a theoretical security risk | 02:02 |
| blockhead | i guess that being able to see what the last login was up to is the security risk? | 02:03 |
| gnarface | yes | 02:03 |
| blockhead | i'm the only one that uses this computer so not a concern for me | 02:04 |
| gnarface | well you don't need my permission, but that's also why i don't know off the top of my head how to make it stop doing that | 02:04 |
| blockhead | lol | 02:04 |
| blockhead | i read about making a .bash_logout (that does nothing) as a workaround but that hasn't had any effect. oh well. eventually I'll stumble onto a solution | 02:06 |
| gnarface | stick around, someone here might knwo | 02:07 |
| gnarface | *know | 02:07 |
| blockhead | good point | 02:07 |
| rwp | blockhead, Edit /etc/inittab and add --noclear so it looks like this: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1299902 | 02:33 |
| rwp | "1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty --noclear 38400 tty1" for the channel. | 02:34 |
| rwp | Especially for tty1 it's super annoying to clear away the boot messages and also any errors that we are looking for there. | 02:35 |
| blockhead | nwp: thank you! :) | 02:37 |
| rwp | That used to be the default behavior. | 02:39 |
| blockhead | rebooting... | 02:39 |
| rwp | Silly blockhead doesn't need to reboot but just needs to say "kill -1 1" as root and have init reload the inittab. | 02:40 |
| blockhead | that totally worked! thank you! :) | 02:47 |
| rwp | You are most welcome! | 02:48 |
| rwp | You did not need to reboot. init will reload the inittab upon receiving a SIGHUP signal. "kill -1 1" as root will do it. | 02:49 |
| blockhead | i didn't know that. :o | 02:49 |
| rwp | It's crazy for me to see in the init man page that they are now describing these actions in terms of systemd. "SIGHUP Reloads the complete daemon configuration. This is mostly equivalent to systemctl daemon-reload." | 02:51 |
| * blockhead never thought of init, had been reading up on elogind, looking in /etc/profile | 03:05 | |
| rwp | Ah... In the beginning is init. init spawns a getty on the terminal. getting gets tty parameters and then a login name and spawns /bin/login | 03:11 |
| rwp | s/getting/getty and I have no idea why my fingers put that in there. | 03:12 |
| rwp | Most actual terminals had Home and a key to clear the screen. If you wanted to clear the screen then you hit Home and cleared the screen. There was never a need for getty to do it. But then some people complained that other people could not be trusted to clear the screen and hard coded the behavior in getty. | 03:14 |
| garik | hi guys, i am new here, also i am new in Devuan, i need a little bit help | 09:30 |
| n4dir | you could ask, but it is not the most active time of the day. I will try, but only know that much | 09:31 |
| garik | i installed devuan linux yesterday but when the computer turns on there is no gui | 09:31 |
| garik | my gpu is nvidia | 09:31 |
| n4dir | and here we are: i pretty much never had to use Nvidia. | 09:32 |
| garik | oh | 09:32 |
| n4dir | you can do : lspci ; then find what is the graphics chip, then enter that and add "debian" to the searchterm in a searchengine | 09:33 |
| n4dir | lspci | grep -i VGA; try that | 09:33 |
| n4dir | as far i can say the instructions how to get that sorted for debian should work for devuan too | 09:33 |
| garik | so i dont have close source nvidia drivers, its open source drivers | 09:41 |
| garik | but even with open source driver i cant boot | 09:41 |
| garik | i can see no GUI i mean | 09:41 |
| n4dir | you see the brug menu and what is the next thing you can see ? TTY? Or "nothing" ? | 09:41 |
| garik | TTY | 09:41 |
| n4dir | the grub menu, not the brug menu, dang | 09:41 |
| n4dir | which DE did you install? | 09:42 |
| garik | grub menu then tty | 09:42 |
| n4dir | did you try "startx" ? | 09:42 |
| garik | xfce | 09:42 |
| n4dir | not to start X, but to get an error message | 09:42 |
| garik | yeah i am getting errot message | 09:42 |
| garik | error* | 09:42 |
| n4dir | in general you are better served if you wait for someone in the subject, but we could gather some info, if you like | 09:43 |
| n4dir | from what i have heard the free driver should always work, but i seldom listen closely, as i have no nvidia | 09:43 |
| garik | so for that i need to go and connect to this chat from my mobile, this is my laptop, then we can continue | 09:43 |
| n4dir | i don't have that much more to say. I'd try a live distro, i for one would try refracta. | 09:44 |
| n4dir | you could also just ask again in a few hours. | 09:44 |
| HCS | I'm here | 09:49 |
| Hayk_CS | ? | 09:52 |
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