| n4dir | gnarface: with a chroot | 00:00 |
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| gnarface | oh | 00:00 |
| n4dir | either pbuilder or straight chroot | 00:00 |
| gnarface | yea | 00:00 |
| n4dir | if he runs in problems there is #packaging for debian on the oftc server. (it is for building for private needs, not packaging for debian). otoh probably someone here can help him | 00:02 |
| gnarface | well my hope was just that it would build and run on ceres in the chroot as a proof-of-concept and maybe a temporary stopgap for the workflow issue. i didn't broach the subject of actually attempting to backport it to daedalus yet | 00:04 |
| gnarface | for something like this that requires special gcc and glibc versions, usually a backport is not a practical possibility | 00:04 |
| gnarface | (not without heavy code patching that's well above my head, at least; i can help fine with the packaging otherwise) | 00:05 |
| n4dir | ah, as said, i didn't really follow all of the discussion. | 00:05 |
| gnarface | yea, and for that matter i figured with something like this, there would already be a backport in daedalus-backports if it didn't require some serious contortions to accomplish | 00:06 |
| n4dir | back a few years i often found stuff not in backports in the MX Linux community repos. I didn't run in the need for years. | 00:07 |
| gnarface | issue at hand is: user wants to run imagemagick 7.x | 00:07 |
| n4dir | right, that i did understand. | 00:07 |
| gnarface | hmm, commodore256: incidentally, nothing would stop you from running gentoo in a chroot from a devuan host either | 00:08 |
| gnarface | afaik gentoo has pulled multi-arch support a few years ago though | 00:09 |
| CEP | gnarface, Hello, how are you?, I found out what the audio problem was due to, it returned net-install, it doesn't fit on the 4GB pendrive, then it seems that something is wrong because it is missing files... | 00:30 |
| gnarface | CEP: i only almost understood what you're saying there. the netinstall should definitely fit on a 4GB pen drive though... did you try to install to a 4GB pen drive? | 00:35 |
| gnarface | CEP: (It should install to a 4GB pen drive just fine too, but you'll have to actually limit your installation selections on the Tasksel phase; some of the stock desktop environments come with a lot of extra programs these days) | 00:36 |
| gnarface | CEP: the idea would be to use the netinstall for a minimal installation, then only add what you need and have space for afterwards, on a per-program basis. don't worry, it's easy. none of those choices have to be made permanently at first install time. | 00:37 |
| CEP | gnarface, devuan_daedalus_5.0.1_amd64_netinstall.iso2023-09-14 10:09 478M | 00:58 |
| CEP | I did not pay attention, it exceeded the storage megabytes, the strange thing is that the installation USB was created, and the files from the net-install iso were copied to the USB without errors, supposedly | 01:01 |
| CEP | This was when doing the USB installation | 01:06 |
| fsmithred | What did not fit on which storage? | 01:20 |
| fsmithred | I can't make sense of that. | 01:20 |
| CEP | fsmithred, No, no, no, I was doing everything wrong. It is not the net-install that I have on the USB, it is a live iso. sorry | 01:25 |
| CEP | no | 01:29 |
| CEP | Neither, if it is a net-install, but it is done with space blocking, 470 megabytes of the iso, but the free space blocked, that's why I get that the disk is full, so, I still don't understand why the audio is not configure correctly during installation, sorry | 01:31 |
| fsmithred | yeah, the isohybrid makes the usb look weird. | 01:32 |
| CEP | fsmithred, sorry It looks like I'm not very awake yet. | 01:32 |
| fsmithred | sorry, this chat client does not do coffee transfers. | 01:33 |
| CEP | jajajajajjaja | 01:34 |
| rrq | CEP: after dd-ing netinstall onto the USB, it's possible to add a partition to it for the remaining space, although that changes it from a hybrid ISO into a plain disk image. | 01:48 |
| rrq | also some partitioning s/w will want to be intelligent and disallow its overlapping partitioning.. so in general it's not a good idea | 01:49 |
| commodore256 | debootsnap: error: one of the arguments --buildinfo --packages/--pkgs is required | 02:48 |
| commodore256 | What's going wrong? | 02:53 |
| gnarface | commodore256: debootsnap not debootstrap? | 03:14 |
| gnarface | show the whole command? | 03:17 |
| commodore256 | debootsnap ceres ~/testing | 03:21 |
| gnarface | commodore256: what's debootsnap? why not try debootstrap? | 03:28 |
| gnarface | if it uses the same command format as debootstrap, try adding this as the third parameter: http://deb.devuan.org/merged | 03:29 |
| commodore256 | @gnarface a very evil bash auto completion | 03:57 |
| commodore256 | debootstrap is already the newest version (1.0.128+nmu2devuan2). | 03:58 |
| commodore256 | bash: debootstrap: command not found | 03:58 |
| gnarface | commodore256: it's in /usr/sbin/ | 03:59 |
| n4dir | are you root? | 03:59 |
| commodore256 | Ah, I have to be root? | 03:59 |
| commodore256 | got it | 03:59 |
| gnarface | and if you don't specify a url it will just use your regular /etc/apt/sources.list | 04:00 |
| commodore256 | Ah, I love seeing CLI progress | 04:00 |
| commodore256 | W: Failure while configuring required packages. | 04:10 |
| commodore256 | W: See /home/user/testing/debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details (possibly the package usrmerge is at fault) | 04:10 |
| commodore256 | You can try correcting the errors reported and running again | 04:13 |
| commodore256 | /usr/lib/usrmerge/convert-usrmerge until it will complete without errors. | 04:13 |
| commodore256 | That directory doesn't exist | 04:13 |
| commodore256 | or does that mean that in the chroot jail? | 04:13 |
| commodore256 | it's in the jail, it's a Perl script | 04:14 |
| xisop | the good ole days of Perl. I miss that language | 04:36 |
| rustyaxe | i helped replace a ton of php at $formerjob with perl. | 04:43 |
| rustyaxe | that was fun. "Rewrite this mess in whatever language you lot chose and make it not suck. You can't use PHP tho. We've tried that twice" lol | 04:44 |
| xisop | php has matured over the years but it left a really bad taste in most people's mouths for the first decade of it's existence | 04:44 |
| fluffywolf | and leaves a further bad taste when you find there's now six different functions to do each thing, and every one of them is fundamentally broken in a different way. | 04:46 |
| xisop | i've completely left php behind. i focus on node/typescript these days | 04:54 |
| xisop | rustyaxe: that's interesting you did that because it seemed like peole were doing the opposite | 04:55 |
| rustyaxe | easier to outsource php to third world places :P | 04:59 |
| gnarface | commodore256: ah, there's a unfortunate issue with usrmerge breaking testing and unstable at the moment, someone around here has some work around involving symlinking i think... | 05:20 |
| gnarface | i didn't think that would interfere with debootstrap, sorry | 05:20 |
| rwp | I think the best answer for Testing and Unstable is always to debootstrap install Stable and then upgrade from there. I think with the recent change to base-files it should work that way again. | 06:11 |
| rwp | I haven't tested that since the base-files change this week but I believe it should work. And if it does not then that would be a good thing to report. | 06:12 |
| u-amarsh04 | commodore256 I've been doing symlinking with links inside /bin /lib /sbin to their corresponding entries on /usr/bin /usr/lib /usr/sbin but have not looked at it fully lately due to debugging a mesa / r600 issue | 08:45 |
| Guest33 | /whoami | 16:52 |
| Guest33 | oops | 16:52 |
| mathew | my firefox says "this browser is managed by your organisation" how can i get rid of this message? the browser does not save the history, which is annoying. i installed education-kde-desktop so it seems that this is causing the problem | 18:05 |
| rwp | mathew, I believe that is the compiled in message from the firefox-esr package. In order to "get rid" of it one would need to install a different package. | 18:12 |
| rwp | Instead of that one another possibility is installing the upstream Mozilla Firefox self-updating firefox not packaged. That's actually what I use. It's the mass consumer edition. | 18:13 |
| rwp | There are advantages and disadvantages to each. Some people feel strongly about one or the other of them. | 18:14 |
| mathew | that is a good idea. i can remove the package and try to install the tar | 18:15 |
| mathew | do you install in /opt ? | 18:15 |
| fsmithred | you could just unpack it in your home directory if you're the only user on the system. | 18:16 |
| fsmithred | it's not an installable package from mozilla. It's just a tarball that you unpack and run the executable. (e.g. firefox/firefox) | 18:17 |
| fsmithred | wherever you unpack it, you can make a launcher on your desktop or panel. | 18:18 |
| fsmithred | or put a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications to get it to show up in the menu. | 18:19 |
| * debdog does install such browsers into /opt – but then, I wonder for how long this directory will exist | 18:19 | |
| mathew | its documented on mozilla.org you do not need to type all! :-) | 18:19 |
| mathew | thank you both! | 18:19 |
| fsmithred | debdog, will it be /usr/opt? | 18:19 |
| debdog | hehe | 18:21 |
| debdog | or, in a couple of years C:/usr/opt | 18:21 |
| mathew | i installed in /opt and runs great. no message "managed by organization" and history is saved. that is what i wanted | 18:25 |
| buZz | yay | 18:26 |
| rwp | mathew, Assuming that the Mozilla docs were followed and that permissions allow it that version will self-update. When it does you will get a popup dialog (just like the mass consumers do) ask if now is a good time to restart and update. You can do it or postpone it. That restart has always preserved my open tabs perfectly. | 18:32 |
| rwp | I installed my install in my $HOME rather than /opt but either would seem to be okay. However for some reason mine upon restart is always asking me if it can be the default browser. And no matter what I say it always asks me that question. So I think my tinkering has broken the way XDG locates the default browser file. (I forget the path or I would cite it here. ~/.local or ~/.config something.) | 18:34 |
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