| ra33 | Greetings. | 11:18 |
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| ra33 | Can you tell me if anyone has had this problem? Tried to set up v2raya autorun. It still doesn't work, but suddenly an error appeared: | 11:18 |
| ra33 | no connection to pulsaudio server | 11:18 |
| ra33 | Reinstalling doesn't help. | 11:18 |
| gnarface | ra33: someone else recently had an issue that required adding a startup delay to the pulseaudio server i think... maybe related? | 11:44 |
| ra33 | Do you know exactly what you need to customize? | 12:18 |
| |cos| | isn't pulseaudio pottering's first take at breaking working stuff unnecessarily? an art-project pre-dating his master piece in manifesting involuntary participary software bug bonanza. stay away from it, and life will be better. | 12:41 |
| ted-ious | |cos|: Yes and that's why we probably need to make pipewire the default everywhere we can. | 14:34 |
| u-amarsh04 | finished usrmerge process today, just make sure that you have the link ld-linux.so.2 -> i386-linux-gnu/ld-linux.so.2 in /usr/lib on i386 | 14:56 |
| u-amarsh04 | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=48459#p48459 | 14:56 |
| rustyaxe | people still use pulseaudio? No wonder i still hear crying of sound troubles every now and then | 15:40 |
| n4dir | i'd assume pulse is pretty much default. Either on its own or as a "bridge" from pipewire. From what i hear (or the live-isos i try) | 17:26 |
| gnarface | ted-ious: you realize pipewire is made by the same people, right? | 18:39 |
| gnarface | or was that sarcasm and i just missed it | 18:39 |
| gnarface | ? | 18:39 |
| gnarface | if ra33 comes back, someone tell them to stick around long enough to talk to the last person who did this, or check the channel logs about it, it was just a couple days ago | 18:40 |
| gnarface | i don't know if that's the same issue but it seemed possible | 18:40 |
| n4dir | i sure didn't know it's the same devs. Didn't really care for pipewire yet though | 18:41 |
| n4dir | as far i see suddenly stopping all audio seems to be a thing. Sounds like something really great | 18:42 |
| ted-ious | gnarface: No I do not believe that lennart created pipewire. | 20:09 |
| ted-ious | Did you find some record of that? | 20:09 |
| Xenguy | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PipeWire (I think it was RH, but not LP) | 20:15 |
| ted-ious | Well programmers matter especially when it comes to designing programs. | 20:15 |
| gnarface | ted-ious: well, it's all part of the same agenda out of the same department at IBM/RH is what i mean | 20:16 |
| gnarface | afaik pipewire in fact still depends on pulseaudio directly, so i can't imagine how it could possibly simplify anything | 20:16 |
| ted-ious | Isn't pipewire much older than the ibm red hat acquisition? | 20:16 |
| ted-ious | No it sits on top of alsa and replaces pulseaudio completely. | 20:17 |
| n4dir | gnarface: i don't think it depends on it | 20:17 |
| n4dir | ted-ious: i also don't think it completely replaces it | 20:17 |
| gnarface | i have heard multiple people allege that it completely replaces it, but the only demonstrated working configs i've seen in the wild it's configured to depend on it | 20:17 |
| gnarface | keep in mind i don't really use either here, so i don't actually know | 20:18 |
| ted-ious | n4dir: I don't have pulseaudio on any of my systems so whatever it does it does it without pulseaudio. | 20:18 |
| n4dir | at the end of the day, if being serious, you now have to use: alsa, pulse, jack, pipewire. It can't get any better | 20:18 |
| n4dir | ted-ious: depends what you do. | 20:18 |
| n4dir | also, really, as far i know yet. The whole situation seems more messed up than before. Because, that is the fun part, the situation was messsed up before | 20:19 |
| ted-ious | I haven't had any sound related crashes ever since I got rid of pulseaudio. | 20:20 |
| ted-ious | So I don't know what's supposed to be messed up. | 20:20 |
| n4dir | if to you having four soundsystems doesn't look like a messed up situation ... | 20:21 |
| |cos| | alsa by itself has always worked flawlessly for me. i assume pulseaudio was created to solve some kind of problem, but frankly that was a problem most people didn't even have. | 20:23 |
| |cos| | if it had been opt-in, all had been well and good | 20:24 |
| n4dir | |cos|: say in #ardour, as far i understand them, they usually recommend to go for alsa (not jack, which you can at least choose, and yt-how-to's recommend it) | 20:24 |
| n4dir | pulse: no clue if you can even choose it, but you sure are told to *not* use it | 20:24 |
| n4dir | but don't take my words for it. I only understand half of what is said | 20:25 |
| ted-ious | n4dir: I have one sound system that controls the hardware and on some systems I added pipewire because it does software mixing. | 21:21 |
| ted-ious | I don't have jack or pulseaudio or anything else and I don't need them. | 21:22 |
| n4dir | are you sure? | 21:22 |
| n4dir | did you do something like "dpkg -l | grep pulse" or pgrep it? | 21:22 |
| n4dir | anyway, it might well be it works for you, though i don't know why you don't simply use alsa | 21:23 |
| ted-ious | No I blacklist pulseaudio and I have never installed jack in my life. | 21:26 |
| ted-ious | And I just told you that I do simply use alsa on some systems. | 21:27 |
| n4dir | so before pipewire you just used alsa. Why did you add pipewire? | 21:27 |
| n4dir | of course that works. No one doubted it | 21:28 |
| ted-ious | Mainly because I can see that it's going to be the future api for linux sound and I wanted to have some idea how to use it. | 21:28 |
| ted-ious | Since I saw for a few years that people were using it and not having any trouble I decided to test it out on a system or two. | 21:29 |
| n4dir | but you didn't care for the "old" ones? | 21:29 |
| ted-ious | Not only didn't I care for pulseaudio I thought it was junk and I wanted it off my systems. | 21:29 |
| ted-ious | That was a problem when there were apps that couldn't use pipewire and were hard to configure with alsa. | 21:30 |
| n4dir | which apps were those? | 21:31 |
| ted-ious | I think I was playing with mumble at the time and it was one of them. | 21:33 |
| n4dir | i see | 21:34 |
| n4dir | the audio distros i have tested just added the whole gang. | 21:35 |
| n4dir | Jam Fedora: without anything all sound stopped. I couldn't find the reason. logged out, logged back in, sound was back | 21:36 |
| ted-ious | Well obviously devuan is a much better distro. :) | 21:50 |
| DPA | That's probably dbus. | 22:08 |
| gandhii | I'm really struggling with getting my GUI file managers to access file shares. Distro=Devuan5, same problem with thunar, nautilus, pcman etc. Give me a "not operational" error when clicking on "network" and "Computer". Only local files work. I've purged and reinstalled all samba, gvfs, and file manager packages more than once. No luck. Use to work fine. Not sure what I did that broke it. I guess it | 23:55 |
| gandhii | was something I had installed. Any ideas? | 23:55 |
| gnarface | gandhii: probably just a permissions thing | 23:55 |
| gnarface | gandhii: or uh... you forgot to install udisks2 maybe? | 23:55 |
| gnarface | what about removable devices like USB keys? | 23:58 |
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