| sunshavi | thanks sixwheeledbeast | 13:20 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | yw? | 13:21 |
| sunshavi | I just turned on my n9 for trying qmlradio | 13:21 |
| sunshavi | because of that thread | 13:21 |
| sunshavi | I am thinking on flashing It. also. On my country connecting n900 to the network is almost impossible lately | 13:23 |
| sunshavi | It keeps disconnecting from the network most of the times | 13:24 |
| sunshavi | So I think the operator is giving less priority to 2.5G devices | 13:24 |
| sunshavi | like n900 | 13:24 |
| sunshavi | perhaps n9 could work better on that respect. I read n9 is 3G | 13:25 |
| KotCzarny | here operators deprecate 3g | 13:26 |
| KotCzarny | so it will stop working in a few years | 13:27 |
| KotCzarny | they do keep 2g around tho | 13:27 |
| KotCzarny | at least for now | 13:27 |
| sunshavi | Mmm. That's not good. less options for us | 13:27 |
| sunshavi | n900, and n9 look like unique devices | 13:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I wish for 2G to be protected from deprecation but I doubt it will. | 13:28 |
| sunshavi | when I carry the n900 around my neck. Some people ask me 'is that a camera'. | 13:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I can understand removing slower data channels to free up spectrum but so much old kit has some support in 2G | 13:29 |
| sunshavi | when they see the keyboard. It amazes them | 13:29 |
| sunshavi | new phones, are really large and difficult to carry in the pocket | 13:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Really for 2g it's just money, they could leave them alone but cellops don't want the maintenance. | 13:30 |
| sunshavi | Yes maintenance is a burden for them. That is obsolecense on their part | 13:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | so whats the plan you are forced to upgrade your devices with every generation of cell they kill | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | 5g is all the rage around here | 13:32 |
| sunshavi | that's the way the market works | 13:32 |
| sixwheeledbeast | manufactured obsolescence and more waste IMO | 13:32 |
| sunshavi | yes. But waste really is changing corporate cost to users cost | 13:32 |
| sunshavi | less cost for corporations more cost for the world | 13:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well you opened the big can of worms there... | 13:33 |
| sunshavi | that's the way it is | 13:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | and governments just let them is the issue... | 13:34 |
| sunshavi | I am going to stop on goverments... And back to phones | 13:34 |
| KotCzarny | govs are usually just bunch of 'businessmen', not people wanting to fix things | 13:34 |
| sunshavi | govs represent group of interest | 13:35 |
| sunshavi | they do not represent people | 13:35 |
| KotCzarny | in ideal world... ;) | 13:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it wouldn't be an issue if the modems where replacable | 13:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | i noticed eu have pushed for replaceable battreies | 13:41 |
| sunshavi | Yes. Right | 13:41 |
| KotCzarny | +1 for modularity | 13:42 |
| sunshavi | I have imagined. Changing my N900 modem. It should be cool | 13:42 |
| KotCzarny | but standards/busses change | 13:42 |
| KotCzarny | and this is a problem | 13:43 |
| sunshavi | Which reminds me. I have seen an amiga computer going online using an rp4020 | 13:44 |
| sunshavi | But now we are really dreaming | 13:45 |
| KotCzarny | i have networked mine using parport cable | 13:45 |
| KotCzarny | (a500) | 13:45 |
| KotCzarny | was long time ago tho | 13:45 |
| sunshavi | oh man. You have an amiga. cool | 13:45 |
| KotCzarny | i didnt touch her for years, but yeah, 2 of them are sleeping in the closet | 13:45 |
| sunshavi | that's quite nice. Just yesterday I found a vi-clone for 8-bit computers running DOS | 13:46 |
| sunshavi | Do You own an atari? | 13:47 |
| sunshavi | computer of course | 13:47 |
| KotCzarny | i did, before ami | 13:47 |
| KotCzarny | small one tho | 13:47 |
| KotCzarny | 800xl | 13:47 |
| KotCzarny | with casette drive | 13:48 |
| sunshavi | awesome | 13:48 |
| KotCzarny | now fridges are many times more powerfull than them | 13:48 |
| sunshavi | sure. But You can not connect a keyboard to a fridge | 13:49 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder what we will get in 20-30 years in mobile computing | 13:49 |
| sunshavi | At least not easily | 13:49 |
| KotCzarny | bt? | 13:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:49 |
| sunshavi | bt. is an issue too | 13:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well having standards for a modular modem would be a priority then | 13:50 |
| sunshavi | some modern keyboards do not connect with n900 cos bt-software version | 13:51 |
| KotCzarny | swb: serial was a long time fav, but hard to reach gigabit and above | 13:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | what is the point of pushing for replaceable batteries if the device can't connect to any network | 13:51 |
| sunshavi | Right swb | 13:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | they have priorities backwards ... | 13:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | we are reducing waste by standardising charging and having replaceable batteries for your device that will no longer connect to any network | 13:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hence why i think they should leave 2g alone. you want data use wifi or external modem | 13:54 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, 2g is left for m2m voice | 13:54 |
| KotCzarny | data is being blocked etc | 13:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | many countries are removing it completely to replace for 4/5G | 13:55 |
| sunshavi | yes swb. telecoms do it first on the thrid-world | 13:56 |
| KotCzarny | orange is doing it continent wise | 13:57 |
| KotCzarny | other telcos do it too | 13:57 |
| KotCzarny | its either that, or their clients run away from slow data | 13:57 |
| sunshavi | if we summarize what we have been talking the title could be 'telecoms obsolescing old networks and replaing it with 4/5G around the world' | 13:59 |
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