| joerg | N900 is 3G, no? | 06:36 |
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| joerg | re >><sunshavi> So I think the operator is giving less priority to 2.5G devices like n900. perhaps n9 could work better on that respect. I read n9 is 3G<< | 06:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | 2G/3G | 08:54 |
| sunshavi | Mmm. Then Should I stay with n900? | 13:35 |
| sunshavi | modem-wise which one is better. Is the same model? | 13:35 |
| sunshavi | for moving to N9. I should go to the telecom and change the SIM by a microSIM | 13:36 |
| sunshavi | I still have not found the sqlite database that stores all the SMS's | 13:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | they are the same? | 13:37 |
| Maxdamantus | They're not the same in terms of signal frequencies. | 13:38 |
| sunshavi | I hope the answer to be 'NO' | 13:38 |
| Maxdamantus | for one of the providers here in NZ, I had to use an N9 instead of my N900, because the N900 didn't support the frequency used by their 3G network. | 13:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | there are a few differences for freq yes but, neither are "4G" | 13:40 |
| Maxdamantus | and I think the N9 didn't support my usual 2G/3G provider. | 13:40 |
| Maxdamantus | (which was supported on N900) | 13:41 |
| sunshavi | After almost 10 years of use. I have found the N900-modem very slow when starting a phone-call. Older phones like a motorola-razor where quicker when starting a phone-call | 13:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | if they both work now then there is no reason to move to one or the other was my point | 13:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | unless you move country or cells are removed | 13:42 |
| sunshavi | swb: no planning on moving countries. Just expecting to solve the issue on on losing connection to solves that bothers me in the last 3 months | 13:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | modem failing? | 13:43 |
| sunshavi | swb: modem is ok. I think the cells are giving less priority to 2.5G devices | 13:44 |
| sunshavi | But that is just my gut feeling. no way of being sure about it | 13:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | they are possibly removing cells as they upgrade network making network patchy | 13:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I don't believe there is priority, separate units on the same tower | 13:45 |
| sunshavi | ok. Then that could be the case | 13:46 |
| sunshavi | But. It is really an issue when I am out of home. When people face me. tell me 'I called You the other day. You did not call back to me'. But I do not have record of their phone call | 13:47 |
| Maxdamantus | in my experience, and also other people's based on Freenode/#maemo logs, it seems typical for the connection to drop out on 3G but not 2G. | 13:48 |
| Maxdamantus | not sure about 2.5G. | 13:48 |
| Maxdamantus | 19:35 < Maxdamantus> fwiw, my connection normally goes away on 3G, but my operator doesn't have 2G anymore. | 13:48 |
| Maxdamantus | 19:35 < Maxdamantus> goes away as in after 10 seconds or so of not sending things over the network, something seems to disconnect, so it won't be able to send things after that. | 13:48 |
| Maxdamantus | 19:36 < Maxdamantus> but other cellular activity consistently wakes it back up. | 13:48 |
| Maxdamantus | ("other cellular activity" means something like SMS or call) | 13:49 |
| Maxdamantus | I would often send an SMS to myself to wake up the internet connection. | 13:49 |
| sunshavi | But on my home. It is connected. And stays that way | 13:49 |
| sunshavi | Then Perhaps I should connect the data plan. And send and email to myself every 5m | 13:50 |
| Maxdamantus | email won't help. you need to either be using the internet connection constantly (eg, `ping -i 5 1.1.1.1`), or send an SMS to yourself periodically to wake up the connection. | 13:51 |
| sunshavi | I am going to try in this moment of sending an Sms to myself (never done) | 13:52 |
| Maxdamantus | the other thing I would do was hold backspace while using ssh, so I would be constantly sending data, since the dropout would happen after my connection had been idle for "10 seconds" apparently. | 13:53 |
| sunshavi | I think sms is ok (lcd on this device is not working from several years ago. I can not change It, cos one of the screws got stuck on it. And It is almost impossible to remove withoun using a drill) | 13:55 |
| Maxdamantus | sunshavi: also, these "ind_reg_status" and "set_timeout" messages would appear in syslog when the connection had dropped out: https://gist.github.com/Maxdamantus/a5c4ecb48dc5d61665b5c09b042db892 | 13:55 |
| sunshavi | But I have found a way of making phone calls and sms's using just the kbd with the help of a patched xdotool for focusing on the windows | 13:56 |
| Maxdamantus | 19:51 < Maxdamantus> sicelo: so my presumption is that there's some sort of ping or something missing from maemo to make sure that the modem is usable when you happen to be using the network. | 13:57 |
| sunshavi | Maxdamantus: I do not see syslog file on /var/log | 14:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | toggling offline/online may work? | 14:04 |
| Maxdamantus | sunshavi: it would be /var/log/messages but it's not enabled by default. I think I did something on my N900 to make it run syslogd at boot | 14:04 |
| Maxdamantus | sunshavi: you should at least be able to enable it until reboot by running something like `syslogd` iirc | 14:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wouldn't rule out an issue with the local tower | 14:05 |
| sunshavi | Mmm. Ok Maxdamantus | 14:05 |
| Maxdamantus | sixwheeledbeast: that would probably also kill any existing TCP connections. | 14:06 |
| Maxdamantus | I usually had a long-running ssh connection open. I think either ssh uses a fairly long TCP keepalive, or maybe I configured it to use a long keepalive, so I would be able to fairly reliably resume my connection by just sending an SMS to myself. | 14:08 |
| sunshavi | for an ssh connection I would need an external ip | 14:08 |
| Maxdamantus | ssh was my end, not my means. | 14:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | you would have to dial out, you would hit CGNAT the other way usually | 14:09 |
| sunshavi | here that would not be possible connections are NAT | 14:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | NAT is fine if you control the NAT. | 14:17 |
| sunshavi | out-of-topic: Happy Fathers Day guys. We are celebrating it on my country (gmt-5) | 14:28 |
| bencoh | joerg: n900 even has 3.5G support | 14:33 |
| bencoh | (hspa+ or whatever it was called back then) | 14:33 |
| bencoh | (iirc) | 14:33 |
| joerg | aaah yep | 17:52 |
| joerg | here UMTS got shut down for LTE :-( | 17:54 |
| sunshavi | now that telecoms are getting rid of the networks N900 supports. Who is going to be the last one working properly and on which country | 18:01 |
| sunshavi | Still I think I am going to buy a prepaid chip for trying N9. and see which modem behaves better | 18:01 |
| sunshavi | on the same network | 18:02 |
| bencoh | n9 has no lte support either though | 18:37 |
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